Dose - Hierachy of Kratom Strengths

[Chicagonb]

Is there a hierarchy of kratom? Like is leaf more potent than 15x powder? Is any one more likely to be abused than another.

Swim wanted to know.

[dreeamer]

The 15x extract is called so because it takes rougly 15g of leaf to make 1g of extract. It is claimed to be 15x stronger than the leaf but in reality, it is only about 3 times stronger, although it does vary from extract to extract.

The different leafs vary in strength and effect. Thai leaf is supposed to be more stimulating whereas Bali leaf is supposed to be more relaxing. There are also leafs that are considered much stronger such as the Maeng Da Kratom which is supposed to be about 3-4 times stronger than standard leaf. No one type is more likely to be abused than another as it is all down to personal preference as to which is preferred, although the extracts are much less likely to be abused as they are quite a bit more expensive per hit than the leafs and generally considered not to be as effective.

[Chicagonb]

Thanks for the detailed response. Just want to clarify something. So something that is claimed to be a 15x podwer means that 1g of powder equals 15g of leaves?

So, swim is wanting to stop using kratom. Swim no longer gets anything from it and doesn't want to up the dosage. Swim is just trying to figure out if swim is taking a high dosage or if swim is taking a lower dosage so he can figure out what he is in for as far as withdrawal symptoms. Swim has never used leaf form, only 15x powder.

Swim uses 1g of 15x powder everyday. Any ideas what he is in for when he quits. Just wondering if powder carries same or different properties than leaf.

[dreeamer]

Originally Posted by Chicagonb

Thanks for the detailed response. Just want to clarify something. So something that is claimed to be a 15x podwer means that 1g of powder equals 15g of leaves?

So, swim is wanting to stop using kratom. Swim no longer gets anything from it and doesn't want to up the dosage. Swim is just trying to figure out if swim is taking a high dosage or if swim is taking a lower dosage so he can figure out what he is in for as far as withdrawal symptoms. Swim has never used leaf form, only 15x powder.

Swim uses 1g of 15x powder everyday. Any ideas what he is in for when he quits. Just wondering if powder carries same or different properties than leaf.

It takes 15g of leaf to make 1g of powder, but the 15x extract is never anything like 15x as strong. It is approximately 3 times as stong as the leaf, although most Kratom enthusiasts agree it doesn't give as good a buzz as the extract is missing a few of the alkaloids that are in the leaf. When ever you use Kratom for more than a few days, you will always build up a tolerance to it, and although 1g of the 15x may do something the first few times, it is no suprise that it is doing nothing for SWIY now. 1g a day of the 15x extract is highly unlikely to cause any withdrawal symptoms and I don't understand why SWIY is still taking it if it is not having any effect. SWIM has regularly taken 10g of good indo leaf daily for weeks on end and experienced no withdrawals from it. The people who tend to experience major withdrawals are those who are taking 20-30g+ daily. If SWIY is going to experiement with Kratom, the 15x extract (in SWIM's opinion) is nothing like the best or the cheapest way to go about it. How long has SWIY been taking this on a daily basis?

[Chicagonb]

I think swim was using it for just over a year. Swim used to get feel energized and worked well for quite awhile at first but lately has been sort of numb to its effect. Sort of became a habit with breakfast. A little powder in some yogurt with coffee for breakfast.

So 1g of 15x is like 45g of leaf. That seems like a high dose.

[dreeamer]

Originally Posted by Chicagonb

I think swim was using it for just over a year. Swim used to get feel energized and worked well for quite awhile at first but lately has been sort of numb to its effect. Sort of became a habit with breakfast. A little powder in some yogurt with coffee for breakfast.

So 1g of 15x is like 45g of leaf. That seems like a high dose.

No 1g of the 15x is more like 3g of the leaf. It usually takes at least 5 -6g of the leaf to get a decent buzz, so as you are only taking the equivilant of 3g of leaf per day, I would be shocked if you had any withdrawal symptoms at all.