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Old 13-12-2004, 17:43
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I'd like to know any of your experiences with this. (and don't point me to the erowid exp. vault I read em all) Swim has tried this several times and after a few hits the change of conciousness is there, but then Swim immediatly feels sick to his/her stomach, and has a headache like no other having to stop before he/she has a breakthrough dmt experience. The sickness goes away after about 15-20 minutes. Anyone experience this? Swim will try ayuasca with it for the soon.Edited by: RoboCop
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Old 22-12-2004, 03:49
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i thought yopo was a snuff and as such was intended to be insuffilated (snorted).
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Old 22-12-2004, 03:57
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Well Im talking about the seeds themselves often called yopo, vilca, or cohoba. I just call the seeds yopo while some people call the snuff yopo. Anyways the seeds can be smoked to provide an effect similiar to that of the pure chemical (so i've read)
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I will have some yopo seeds within the next week or two if you can wait that long for a smoking/snuffing experience.
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I have tried yopo several times always with good results. I start with about 4 seeds and basically roast them. I have tried before without the roasting part and I did get sick to my stomach. Roasting over a hot fire causes them to pop so that you can peel the skin off easy. Then you just crush them up and smoke. It tastes pretty nasty and is hard on the lungs but if you can get 6 to 8 good hits - there are good results to be had. I also mix in some chacruna just to add an extra kick.

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you can pulverize them and mix with lime I belive to snuff
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smoking yopo results in a very physical effect for me.....i usually roast 5-6 seeds...crush them....and smoke them in a bong ...the biggest hits you take in a small moment will give you a good rush....


some saids that yopo don t do anything...;but for me it works and i like the effects
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I've talked to five or six people about this, and everyone agrees that snorting is aeasier and more reliable way to get high off yopo.
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Old 28-03-2005, 15:28
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Iv read that Yopo contains 5-OH-DMT( Bufotenine)which is why some people get headaces and some pain.
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Anandenanthera seedpods do contain 5-HO-DMT, almost to the
exclusion of any other alkaloids. So regardless of how you
prepare and administer this plant material, the psychoactive effects
are coming from bufotenine. See Jonathan Ott's work with this
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Old 29-03-2005, 14:13
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I was wondering about Virola resin, which can be sniffed, how much would you need to sniff to produce effects?
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Traditionally, Virola resin is mixed with some sort of ash or
lime, and then formed into small, gummy resin balls. The
sap/resin of Virola is very rich in n,n-DMT, more so than even Mimosa
hostilis rootbark if I recall correctly. I think it may contain
small amounts of 5-MeO as well, but DMT is definitely the most
prevalent alkaloid.

Interestingly, some tribes use Virola sap to hunt small
tree-dwelling mammals (and possibly birds?), by smearing it onto the
tips of their blowgun
darts. When it hits the prey, the animal is stunned and
disoriented by the sudden onset of 'psychedelic' effects (are the
effects indeed psychedelic for the creature that the dart pierces?) and
cannot
retain its balance, and then quickly falls from the tree. It's
the fall
that kills the prey, not the alkaloids.

Be wary of where you source Virola from, for oftentimes the
harvesting of the tree's bark severely injures and eventually kills the
plant. Unlike rootbarks (like with Echinacea purpurea, Mimosa
hostilis, and Tabernanthe iboga), when harvested/removed the tree bark
of Virola species is unable to regenerate. This is something
worth considreing IMO. Furthermore I have no idea as to how rare or geographically limited in
habitat range the various species of Virola plants are, but Mimosa
hostilis, for example, is copiously prevalent throughout Latin America
(from Mexico to Brasil), and in many areas does indeed "grow like a
weed". IMO, the habitat and renewability of any given
ethnobotanical are very importants factors, and if a certain
supplier states that their particular plant product is "sustainably
harvested" or "assists the economy of the indigenous peoples", this means a
lot as far as what kind of intent they have in conducting their
business and what issues they are concerned with.

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Old 22-04-2005, 05:09
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I've read that A. peregrina have a higher DMT and 5-MeO-DMT content
than A. colubrina. Has anyone tried both species and is able to compare
the two?



Also, I've noticed that headaches occur with smaller doses, or when one
doesn't hold their breath long enough. Higher doses usually give an
intense rush and sometimes faint dizziness or nausea, but that all
passes in a couple minutes and the rest of the half hour experience is
worth it.


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both species have been tried. the effects are the same. in the case of a peregrina I believe the 5meoDMT content entirely overwhelmed that of the DMT. these materials were all consumed as extractions during a particularly boring bit of research. smoked is the preffered route of administration.
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I got my hands on yopo seeds once and tried smoking them.



There were three of us that tried it. None of us felt anything.



Absolutely nothing happened. So I'd be careful about smoking them
if you have a limited amount. In the very least, do your research
and learn how to do it.



I think that smoking is probably not the best way to use your seeds.












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Old 27-04-2005, 21:53
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I found the high from smoking yopo to be rather unenjoyable and mild.
As was said before Bufotenine is the main alkaloid, so pretty much the
only high you get is some feelings of warmth and nausea.
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Old 27-04-2005, 23:57
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No, there is definitely enough DMT and 5-MeO-DMT to feel it. There are
enough people who have smoked the seeds right and enough of them who
could tell you about the crazy things you see, like elaborate moving
Aztec patterns on the tiles, auras around objects, closed-eye visuals,
etc. It also makes your reflection in the mirror look quite interesting.
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Old 28-04-2005, 00:25
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I think that there is definitely a case for smoking them...I just think it's not as easy to do as one would hope.



As we've seen from substances like Salvia...not all smoking techniques
are equal. Firing up a bowl with a few yopo seeds in it isn't as
reliable as would seem.



It would be helpful for someone to post how their smoking their seeds to such great effect.



I know it sounds asinine...but it's these details that cause confusion...



Cause man...I didn't get anything..not even warmth and nausea.


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Old 28-04-2005, 00:49
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Yeah, I've heard a lot of people totally discount some substances,
including salvia, because it didn't work for them. Salvia didn't work
for me the first couple times either, but if people say it works, you
have to be persistant. It pays off



I smoke yopo seeds the same way I smoke salvia, with a water pipe and
two large bowls held for about 30 seconds (or as long as you can). I
had read somewhere that your lungs absorb most of the chemicals into
the bloodstream in about three seconds, but I really don't think that's
the case with salvia and maybe other things. I find breathing the hot
air in to be the hardest part. Do it carefully, then it's fairly easy
to keep it in for 30 seconds. I think DMT has that same two minute
window that salvia does (right?) so you should put the seeds all in one
or two bowls and try to smoke as much as you can in one hit. I can
usually smoke a bowl in about two large hits, with a couple seconds to
breathe fresh air inbetween, and by the end of the second hit, I'm
gone. The friends I have who haven't gotten salvia or yopo to work very
well either don't take a very large hit, or only hold it three or four
seconds. They all had headaches and slight nausea, but no other
effects.



Marijuana might also help the yopo work better, it gives just about
everything else a boost, and almost every time I've done salvia, I was
high first, and the trip was intense and lasted a long time. The times
when I smoked only salvia, it was over within a minute or two.




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Old 28-04-2005, 00:53
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Oh, one more thing. I've read that 3-4 seeds is a low dose and 5 or
more seeds is a high dose. A couple times, I started with 3 or 4 seeds,
but because I packed them all into one bowl and it didn't burn
thoroughly (if you put just the seeds in the bowl, they tend to stick
together and it burns irregularly, might be a good idea to add just a
pinch of tobacco or marijuana), I saw that after I came down, only
about half the bowl had actually been smoked, and I had full-on
open-eye hallucinations. Even with a couple seeds, if you smoke the
full amount correctly, it's possible to have very intense effects.
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better make a smokable extract - not sure xactly how to go about it , but I woud guess - soften up the seeds or grind / powder - maybe add citric acid solution - then evap on some damiana or oregano.


I thnk the amount of plant material that you have to smoke could be a possble hurdle to get good effects if you do not inhale sufficiently.


wondering if bUfotin is Alcohol sol?
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I don't know about solubility...but if it's water soluble, then it's alcohol soluble.Maybe worth a try...





Other than makingsmoking easier, why bother redepositing it on damiana or oregano?It would be easier to just do the extraction, and insufflate the extraction...no? Seems like that would be a far more efficient use of materials...


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All of you, please see J. Ott's notes on Anadenanthera
spp. The primary alkaloid in Kohoba is by far Bufotenine, to such
a degree that possibly only 5-MeO could produce any additional
effects. Also, contrary to popular belief, Bufotenine is both
entheogenic and safe, and resembles both DMT and 5-MeO-DMT somewhat in
it's effects. Ott has covered this thoroughly.

Unfortunately, the study in question is unavailable from Erowid at present (May 2005), but it is called:
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<li ="item">Pharmanopo-Psychonautics: Human Intranasal, Sublingual, Intrarectal, Pulmonary and Oral Pharmacology of Bufotenine (2001)</div>


So hopefully once it is up again it can be sited as an appropriate reference.

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Has anyone tried smoking yopo with a prior MAOI administration (long enough for them MAOI toactually enteryour system)?
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All of you, please see Dr. Shulgin's notes on DMT and 5-HO-DMT
(bufotenine). He says that A. colubrina seeds contain only bufotenine,
while A. peregrina seeds contain DMT as well as bufotenine. If you read
the qualitative comments under each, you will see that bufotenine alone
does not seem very visionary, and is responsible for the negative side
effects many people complain about (headache, nausea, pains), while the
richly visual hallucinations seem rather typical of DMT. I swear I read
one page once comparing actual percentages of each alkaloid by weight
in both species, but I've looked good and hard for it and never came up
with it.



http://www.erowid.org/library/books_...ihkal/tihkal06 .shtml

http://www.erowid.org/library/books_...ihkal/tihkal19 .shtml



The following article says that DMT, 5-MeO-DMT and 5-HO-DMT were all found in the seeds of both A. colubrina and A. peregrina.



http://leda.lycaeum.org/?ID=16593



Maybe the best explanation is that the alkaloids vary dramatically in
each individual plant, like the mescaline containing cacti.



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