Smoking yopo

[RoboCop]

I'd like to know any of your experiences with this. (and don't point me to the erowid exp. vault I read em all) Swim has tried this several times and after a few hits the change of conciousness is there, but then Swim immediatly feels sick to his/her stomach, and has a headache like no other having to stop before he/she has a breakthrough dmt experience. The sickness goes away after about 15-20 minutes. Anyone experience this? Swim will try ayuasca with it for the soon.Edited by: RoboCop

[cyalume]

i thought yopo was a snuff and as such was intended to be insuffilated (snorted).

[RoboCop]

Well Im talking about the seeds themselves often called yopo, vilca, or cohoba. I just call the seeds yopo while some people call the snuff yopo. Anyways the seeds can be smoked to provide an effect similiar to that of the pure chemical (so i've read)

[WhiteRyan]

I will have some yopo seeds within the next week or two if you can wait that long for a smoking/snuffing experience.

[storm]

I have tried yopo several times always with good results. I start with about 4 seeds and basically roast them. I have tried before without the roasting part and I did get sick to my stomach. Roasting over a hot fire causes them to pop so that you can peel the skin off easy. Then you just crush them up and smoke. It tastes pretty nasty and is hard on the lungs but if you can get 6 to 8 good hits - there are good results to be had. I also mix in some chacruna just to add an extra kick.

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[brooklyn718]

you can pulverize them and mix with lime I belive to snuff

[psilo]

smoking yopo results in a very physical effect for me.....i usually roast 5-6 seeds...crush them....and smoke them in a bong ...the biggest hits you take in a small moment will give you a good rush....


some saids that yopo don t do anything...;but for me it works and i like the effects

[Hyperreal]

I've talked to five or six people about this, and everyone agrees that snorting is aeasier and more reliable way to get high off yopo.

[Infinite I]

Originally Posted by Hyperreal

I've talked to five or six people about this, and everyone agrees that snorting is aeasier and more reliable way to get high off yopo.

You can chew them and swallow. Swim tried chewing one to test for potency, didnt get anything, then he tried 3 the next day didnt get anything, then to his surprise 6 gave hima mild trip. Hes maybe going to double that dose, he did have some nausea, which he tried to combat with 3 datura stramonium seeds, next time hell try ginger and the seeds. He also had a few beers which is said to help, one is a vasodilator and an other a vasoconstrictor, he forgets which ones so they balance out, people chew them after a few drinks swim has heard.

Apparantly natives make wine with them. Swim has tried and failed to extract bufo from them and smoking seemed like a whole load of harsh smoke for hardly any effects, hes had them lying their for a long time and hes very happy that hes found a use for them, on tuesday he will try a higher dose.

[willyJ]

You say swiy tried extracting the bufotenin, did they try to use that tek posted by baron on erowid? The one that claims to extract calcium bufotenate? A friend of mine has tried that twice without success.

Regarding smoking did swiy smoke the unprepared seeds or was it a prepared mix using pickling lime? My friend smoked just the seeds and got the mild effects and nasty side effects everyone has discussed. He then made up some snuff using lime and decided to try smoking it, only to find the effects had increased massively. It would appear that bufotenin is much more effective in it's freebase form.

My friend has just made up another batch and freebased the toasted, ground seeds using ammonia. He has found it is just as effective as previous batches made with pickling lime. (Another nail in the coffin for the calcium bufotenate theory as far as he's concerned.)

Swim has heard that eating the seeds gives a lot of nausea, he'd be keen to hear how swiy goes. He has considered making a quid out of the prepared snuff and keeping it in his cheek, but is cautious because he knows these things can make you feel quite ill if not done properly.

[Infinite I]

Hey, no swim used 69ron's tek he seen on another forum. Tried it twice and didnt get anything, he does want to try it again as it sounds great. This is the tek he followed, by 69'rons friend`

This is the easiest one I know. It requires no A/B extractions, so there are no emulsions to deal with. The extraction is based on Vilca (Anadenanthera colubrina) and doesn’t work well for real Yopo (Anadenanthera peregrina). Keep in mind that most Yopo currently available on the market is in fact Vilca. Vilca contains mostly bufotenine and little else. Yopo contains mostly DMT and may contain a little 5-MeO-DMT and bufotenine. They are very different. This tech excludes DMT from the extraction so using it with real Yopo is not desirable.

Acetone Citrate Bufotenine Precipitation Tech

* Coarsely grind 100 grams of Vilca seeds.
* Add 1 part pickling lime (calcium hydroxide) and mix in enough water to make it wet. NOTE: sodium carbonate works as a substitute for lime in all steps of this extraction tech.
* Mix for about 10 minutes and let it dry completely. There must not be any water present at all before going to the next step.
* Dissolve the mix in 500 ml of dry acetone. Filter out the solids. Repeat with more acetone until the acetone is nearly clear.
* Evaporate the acetone down to about 100 ml.
* Add 10% citric acid solution to the acetone until no more precipitation is seen. It will take about 30 ml of 10% citric acid solution for 100 grams of seeds. NOTE: to make the citric acid solution, dissolve 10 grams of citric acid in 100 ml of dry acetone. I will take a while for the citric acid to dissolve in the acetone, so prepare this solution several hours ahead of time.
* Carefully pour out the acetone leaving behind the precipitates. Discard the acetone.
* Dry the precipitates completely leaving crude bufotenine citrate and other junk. Bufotenine citrate is a goo and not very active. You don’t want it in this form.
* Slowly mix in lime until the goo becomes a dry powder. Then add water to make the mix wet and mix for about 10 minutes and let the mix dry completely. There must not be any water present at all before going to the next step.
* Grind the mix to a powder. Dissolve in 100 ml acetone and filter out the solids. Repeat with more acetone until the acetone is nearly clear.
* Evaporate the collected acetone to get nearly pure freebase bufotenine.

Swim smoked unprepared seeds, he wasnt aware you could add lime and smoke them. What were the effects like when your friend smoked? Did swim just prepare them the way swim would prepare normal snuff yes?

Swim chewed 12 seeds tonight. He took 300mg of theobromine for potentiation and 3 datura stramonium seeds for potentiation and nausea and 4 capsules of raw ginger 30mins before the seeds. He had drank a half litre of beer and two vodka and cokes beforehand.

It didnt seem to have the same sudden effects that the six had it was more gradual, five minutes after swim swallowed he felt pain in his stomach that subsided after 30mins or so, but it was eventually replaced by a similiar discomfort in the stomach for the rest of the night, which he still has, though not as bad. He lay in a dark room for 30 mins or so and had open and closed eyed visuals of sqwuiggly octopussy stuff, wanst coulourful at all. This didnt last long so he got up. had an ok mild trip, the stomach discomfort stopped him from drinking more alcohol. He did expect more. Maybe the seeds arent the best plus their old, maybe more ginger or datura will help with nausea. It wasnt that bad but it was irritating, was definately less than the 6 without ginger.

[BeetleJuice]

Iv read that Yopo contains 5-OH-DMT( Bufotenine)which is why some people get headaces and some pain.

[Eirias]

Anandenanthera seedpods do contain 5-HO-DMT, almost to the
exclusion of any other alkaloids. So regardless of how you
prepare and administer this plant material, the psychoactive effects
are coming from bufotenine. See Jonathan Ott's work with this
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[knowname]

I was wondering about Virola resin, which can be sniffed, how much would you need to sniff to produce effects?

[Eirias]

Traditionally, Virola resin is mixed with some sort of ash or
lime, and then formed into small, gummy resin balls. The
sap/resin of Virola is very rich in n,n-DMT, more so than even Mimosa
hostilis rootbark if I recall correctly. I think it may contain
small amounts of 5-MeO as well, but DMT is definitely the most
prevalent alkaloid.

Interestingly, some tribes use Virola sap to hunt small
tree-dwelling mammals (and possibly birds?), by smearing it onto the
tips of their blowgun
darts. When it hits the prey, the animal is stunned and
disoriented by the sudden onset of 'psychedelic' effects (are the
effects indeed psychedelic for the creature that the dart pierces?) and
cannot
retain its balance, and then quickly falls from the tree. It's
the fall
that kills the prey, not the alkaloids.

Be wary of where you source Virola from, for oftentimes the
harvesting of the tree's bark severely injures and eventually kills the
plant. Unlike rootbarks (like with Echinacea purpurea, Mimosa
hostilis, and Tabernanthe iboga), when harvested/removed the tree bark
of Virola species is unable to regenerate. This is something
worth considreing IMO. Furthermore I have no idea as to how rare or geographically limited in
habitat range the various species of Virola plants are, but Mimosa
hostilis, for example, is copiously prevalent throughout Latin America
(from Mexico to Brasil), and in many areas does indeed "grow like a
weed". IMO, the habitat and renewability of any given
ethnobotanical are very importants factors, and if a certain
supplier states that their particular plant product is "sustainably
harvested" or "assists the economy of the indigenous peoples", this means a
lot as far as what kind of intent they have in conducting their
business and what issues they are concerned with.

Yay, my 200th post!

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Edited by: Eirias

[ihateourfreedom]

I've read that A. peregrina have a higher DMT and 5-MeO-DMT content
than A. colubrina. Has anyone tried both species and is able to compare
the two?



Also, I've noticed that headaches occur with smaller doses, or when one
doesn't hold their breath long enough. Higher doses usually give an
intense rush and sometimes faint dizziness or nausea, but that all
passes in a couple minutes and the rest of the half hour experience is
worth it.

[allyourbase]

both species have been tried. the effects are the same. in the case of a peregrina I believe the 5meoDMT content entirely overwhelmed that of the DMT. these materials were all consumed as extractions during a particularly boring bit of research. smoked is the preffered route of administration.

[nEone]

I got my hands on yopo seeds once and tried smoking them.



There were three of us that tried it. None of us felt anything.



Absolutely nothing happened. So I'd be careful about smoking them
if you have a limited amount. In the very least, do your research
and learn how to do it.



I think that smoking is probably not the best way to use your seeds.

[PenguinPhreak]

I found the high from smoking yopo to be rather unenjoyable and mild.
As was said before Bufotenine is the main alkaloid, so pretty much the
only high you get is some feelings of warmth and nausea.

[ihateourfreedom]

No, there is definitely enough DMT and 5-MeO-DMT to feel it. There are
enough people who have smoked the seeds right and enough of them who
could tell you about the crazy things you see, like elaborate moving
Aztec patterns on the tiles, auras around objects, closed-eye visuals,
etc. It also makes your reflection in the mirror look quite interesting.

[nEone]

I think that there is definitely a case for smoking them...I just think it's not as easy to do as one would hope.



As we've seen from substances like Salvia...not all smoking techniques
are equal. Firing up a bowl with a few yopo seeds in it isn't as
reliable as would seem.



It would be helpful for someone to post how their smoking their seeds to such great effect.



I know it sounds asinine...but it's these details that cause confusion...



Cause man...I didn't get anything..not even warmth and nausea.

[ihateourfreedom]

Yeah, I've heard a lot of people totally discount some substances,
including salvia, because it didn't work for them. Salvia didn't work
for me the first couple times either, but if people say it works, you
have to be persistant. It pays off



I smoke yopo seeds the same way I smoke salvia, with a water pipe and
two large bowls held for about 30 seconds (or as long as you can). I
had read somewhere that your lungs absorb most of the chemicals into
the bloodstream in about three seconds, but I really don't think that's
the case with salvia and maybe other things. I find breathing the hot
air in to be the hardest part. Do it carefully, then it's fairly easy
to keep it in for 30 seconds. I think DMT has that same two minute
window that salvia does (right?) so you should put the seeds all in one
or two bowls and try to smoke as much as you can in one hit. I can
usually smoke a bowl in about two large hits, with a couple seconds to
breathe fresh air inbetween, and by the end of the second hit, I'm
gone. The friends I have who haven't gotten salvia or yopo to work very
well either don't take a very large hit, or only hold it three or four
seconds. They all had headaches and slight nausea, but no other
effects.



Marijuana might also help the yopo work better, it gives just about
everything else a boost, and almost every time I've done salvia, I was
high first, and the trip was intense and lasted a long time. The times
when I smoked only salvia, it was over within a minute or two.

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[ihateourfreedom]

Oh, one more thing. I've read that 3-4 seeds is a low dose and 5 or
more seeds is a high dose. A couple times, I started with 3 or 4 seeds,
but because I packed them all into one bowl and it didn't burn
thoroughly (if you put just the seeds in the bowl, they tend to stick
together and it burns irregularly, might be a good idea to add just a
pinch of tobacco or marijuana), I saw that after I came down, only
about half the bowl had actually been smoked, and I had full-on
open-eye hallucinations. Even with a couple seeds, if you smoke the
full amount correctly, it's possible to have very intense effects.

[indjuwandjuwa]

better make a smokable extract - not sure xactly how to go about it , but I woud guess - soften up the seeds or grind / powder - maybe add citric acid solution - then evap on some damiana or oregano.


I thnk the amount of plant material that you have to smoke could be a possble hurdle to get good effects if you do not inhale sufficiently.


wondering if bUfotin is Alcohol sol?

[nEone]

I don't know about solubility...but if it's water soluble, then it's alcohol soluble.Maybe worth a try...





Other than makingsmoking easier, why bother redepositing it on damiana or oregano?It would be easier to just do the extraction, and insufflate the extraction...no? Seems like that would be a far more efficient use of materials...