gbl? huh

[steven7]

hi peeps

my 1st post here

SWIM has been having some side effects off constant gbl use
1st started 3 months ago, SWIM was on ALOT of valium to much also
cut down on his gbl use, 3 bags of heroin later he feel asleep for 14hours
unable to be woke up, when he did eventually wake up he had nurve damage 2 his arm and hand, he still cand move his hand.

none of this has ever happened on heroin and valium and he
has abused both for 12 years now.

laterly, SWIM has just been using gbl, he has been passing out without warning, having crazy dreams wear hes cant wake up. when hes asleep he
has worrying dreams wear hes blind and his legs go that dead hes worried
heil never be able to see or walk again, all is fine when he wakes up. wtf is happening?

[MrG]

Heroin is a Central Nervous System depressant and so is GBL - combining the two can easily be fatal, consider SWIYself fortunate to have woken up at all.

The nerve damage can be caused by poor blood flow due to both the very heavily suppressed CNS and also the fact that, under such sedation, the body does not change position as it would naturally during the sleep to allow for correction of areas where the blood might be being restricted from being in the "wrong position".

Do not take GBL with *any* CNS suppressor - be it Heroin, Benzo's, Alcohol etc.

What is SWIY's current situation with GBL use, does he have a 24/7 dosing problem or did he just try to replace his valium with it and got caught out soon after?

[steven7]

hi G, SWIMs problem nearly cost him his life
on 2 occassions taking the combintion above after the story noted above,
luckly SWIM was found in time and resusated in hospital. be warnned ppl
it is a seriously dangerous conbination.

SWIMs gbl use is 24/7 SWIM only sleeps for 2hours at a time.
he's still precribed small does of valium 2 help him stay off heroin.
maybees a good idea to tell SWIM to stop them.

SWIMgets really down and deppressed without his gbl
2 a point where he can no longer cope. i think his valum
addiction is causing this, im really worryed about him. (

i dont know what i can do 2 help him

thanks for your reply G

[steven7]

SWIM was takin valium to help with his gbl problem
i forgot to mention above, he took over
150 blueys in the space of 3 days,

then got the stupid valium ideas 2 start takin heroin again.
then got remanded in custody for been aggresive to ploice.

please delete this thread if its out of order im just worryed and didnt no where 2 turn.

[Nagognog2]

SWIM needs to stop - by whatever means. This includes talking to a doctor. With a bit of luck - he can get a private detox rather than sent to a rehab. Find a doctor who will help with this. SWIM's life is in the balance - be an adult and take care of SWIM.

[steven7]

thanks for the advice about the private detox i will look into it.
problem is actually gettin him to go him to go. his family have tryed to
get him sectioned on numerus occasion and the police or hospitals dont
want to no. im so angry at them. im gona have to baricade SWIM in a cuboard
or something.

[MrG]

The first thing SWIY should do is have a read through this forum for information on GBL withdrawal. There is quite a good resource here and in the archive section. SWIY can arm himself with a lot of knowledge to better understand the actual physiological process going on inside him.

He can then read through some of the methods used for withdrawing and find one that he thinks might work best given his situation.

24/7 GBL dosing *is* a serious situation so the first step on the ladder to recovery from it is information and understanding.

[steven7]

ive been having a look at he recovery forum, am i right in thinkin SWIM just needs vital vitamins minerals & nutrients to make him stronger to put it bluntly? to keep off the valium & heroin? becaue swims old 3 months binge on gbl was very easy to come off he only had 1 day of muscluer seize up for 1 night, which is a walk in te park to heroin withdrawl, even after the main illness is over swim never fully recovers.

SWIM needs educated he thought ghb/gbl was a stimulent (sp)
sort of drug funny how it can be dance drug and a deppresent?
as the name goes 'liquid e' :/ dont qute understand this drug.

thanks for your advice

[steven7]

gbl is a great drug ive never seen swim so happy for so long, Swims problem is benzos alchol./heroin he also has had probem takin 2 many e's our the past decade along with to much speth he suffers from distressin paranoia to a point what has sat paranoid in his house since 2001, absolute nightmare how could SWIM cure this, valium/benzos seem to be the only cure, he loves them, but cant get pecribed them for very long times, sometimes only 2 month at a time its wasted 6 years of swim life, its got tht bad
hes tryed suicide twice, really does think and is happy on benzos, just he cant
get them hard 2 cum by these days. :=(

[steven7]

speth = speed sorry

[steven7]

swim is also a bedroom rave dj and lives 4 music theres somthing magical
about it all he just cant give it up :/ feels like his life is over.

[MrG]

The "liquid ecstacy" label is a misnomer, created by the mainstream media it often results in people mistakenly thinking that GHB/GBL is a liquid version of MDMA. It is not.

Getting your body physically well is an important first step towards recovery from any substance abuse as care for ones own wellbeing is often the first casualty of addiction.

Being mentally able to cope with the ups and downs of recovery will be helped immensely if a user has managed to eat properly and supplement their diet with a wide range of vitamins, amino acids and, in most cases, herbal supplement to help their mental state such as St John's Wort, Valerian Root etc. For example, SWIY would probably benefit from 5-Htp as a way to boost serotonin levels - this will allow him to feel generally more positive.

SWIY should allow himself to get genuinely excited at the prospect of a recovery that he can take charge of instead of languishing in depression and remaining a passive victim of his own mistakes.

The Trainspotting style "three buckets and a locked room" idea of coming off substances is not to be seen as a suitable way to proceed. A lot of SWIY's problems will be based on the fact that, as a result of his substance abuse, he will have an imbalance in certain aspects of his brain chemistry. Trying to go all hardcore and "bite the bullet" is usually a fast road to failure.

Balance out yer brain!

Read, Learn and when your done, Read and Learn some more.

BTW please try to avoid back to back postings, I know you can't edit your submissions at the moment but it is not seen as good practice to have multiple postings made one after the other.