Dose - Diazepam: How closely does increased dosing adhere to increased effect

[GreatWonder]

Simply put 10mg of (Roche) Diazepam (Valium) does nearly jack shit for SWIG. SWIG knows the answer will be different for everyone, but if 10mg does nothing for SWIG, will the effects of 20mg be double the 10mg or if SWIGs tolerance is topped just slightly, can the effects hit harder (ie could SWIG suffer the one beer too many effect and go from sober to slaughtered).

I know SWIG should just try it - SWIGs thinking it's not a particularly huge amount, but just wondered if any SWIYs had experienced a huge difference between 10mg and 20mg (or doubling their usual dose of a similar benzo).

[enquirewithin]

Doubling a dose tends to cause sleep.

[lulz]

Be very, very careful if you happen to have a massive tolerance to benzos like SWIM does.

He got two separate batches. One was Apaurine, the other was blister packed Roche valium, both 10mg.

A long story ensues, which is partially responsible for the fact that I haven't been on the forum for the past few weeks, after logging on pretty much every day since registering.

10mg, if the valium is actual diazepam, should have an effect on most people. Other people might have a natural tolerance for benzos in general, which could incline SWIY to consider taking higher and higher doses until SWIY reaches the level that has the same effect as other people.

Learn from SWIM's mistake. Valium has the longest half life of nearly all the benzos I'm pretty sure. This means that if SWIY has to take massive doses to get the good old benzo effect, he has to remember that it will stay in his system for a good few days before he returns to anything like normal.

SWIM had a bit of a learning experience. (Normally he would have known better, but there was a bit of drama going on in his life which probably contributed to going apeshit on a variety of substances over one very messy weekend).

If 10mg of valium doesn't affect SWIY consciously, I'd recommend trying a different benzo. Clonazepam has been a completely different experience for SWIM. SWIM's ideal benzo would probably be xanax if it didn't have such a short half life.

The different benzos really do have very different effects, and they seem to combine with individual people in particular ways. I strongly recommend offloading your valium if repeated bioassays of 10mg has zero effect, and SWIY is sure that it is legit valium.

There's a whole shopping cart of benzos. Valium is pretty much a starter.

[radiometer]

One hears about a lot of "Roche" brand Valium coming from various "international pharmacies," typically coming without blister packs, which is very weak and ineffective. In SWIMs experience Benzo dosing has a pretty straight dose/resonse curve. Perhaps SWIY might try adding merely 5mg more rather than a whole tablet. Lulz' comments regarding the cumulative effects of multiple Valium doses is very good, and best carefully considered. If this product came from a legit pharmacy, then something is not right with SWIYs response, and he should consult his doctor before increasing the dose.

[merc11292]

swim feels tolerence to diazapam builds very fast, swim was quite out of it the first time swim took 5mg's, not swim only gets the anti-anxiety effects from that, no type of high at all. the overdose for diazapam is pretty high though cause its now considered weak, if swiy isnt gettin anything from 10mg swim wouldnt see a problem in bumping it up to 20. swim has taken doses up around 40 and been pretty fine, just remember it stays in your system a while like some1 already mentioned.

[GreatWonder]

Originally Posted by radiometer

One hears about a lot of "Roche" brand Valium coming from various "international pharmacies," typically coming without blister packs, which is very weak and ineffective.

The Roche Diazepam that SWIG obtained were in blisters and they even supplied the carton (Argentinian OP). SWIG would still class himself as a benzo newbie, a few 0.5mg Alprazolam doses here and there (got through 60 1mg pills spaced over about 7 months) then he tried the Diazepam, 10mg dose, and bang....... nothing!?

SWIG will report back with higher dosing as soon as.

[seeingred]

swim had high tolerance to valium. It doesn't work at all.

[IHrtHalucingens]

SWIM has also found that tolerance to benzos rapidly increases day to day. In the most extreme case SWIM took 4mg alprazolam one day and had a very strong experience, to the next day eventually taking over 20mg within a couple hours and feeling absolutely nothing.

Your best bet is to stop taking benzos all together for a while ,and making sure your source is legit, then try SWIYs normal dose again.

[enquirewithin]

10mg should have an effect although benzos (to SWIM anyway) don't do very much that's interesting or recreational-- possibly SWIY is expecting something that won't happen? They are useful for calming you or getting sleep (20 mg would do that for most people.)