Opinions - Which would you suggest

[kmm5000]

SWIM has been reading up on research chemicals and was wondering what would be best?

SWIM likes stimulant type drugs amphetamine xtc and was wondering what research chemicals would be best for this?? SWIM doesnt like extreme trippy type drugs like LSD or shrooms and doesnt want these effects in the RC.

SWIM is aware that xtc can have mildly trippy type effects but these are acceptable just doent like tripping out i.e being on lsd as had a bad experience on lsd

SWIM thought that maybe

Methylone - Downside SWIM has read it has very bad come downs

4-fmp - This from what SWIM have read seems to be very euphoric

The 2c - are no nos as very psychedelic

Any help would be appreciated and any SWIM has missed

Peace out

[Zaprenz]

If SWIY lives in the UK 4-FMP is Class A - illegal. Condsidering its nothing particularly special (possibly neurotoxic) and it doesn't benefit from being legal its not probably going to be worth it compared to other alternatives.

There is ethylone although if you've heard of methylone you probably already have an inkling.

Indanylaminopropane can be quite fun but SWIM feels something else is usually needed alongside to boost the effects. Even though they appeared about the same time on the market the beta-ketones share more similarities with known compounds (including RX drugs like bupropion as well as MDXX). These two facts make SWIM more comfortable with ethylone and methylone. [This is only SWIMS feeling on the matter , IAP was developed to be non-neurotoxic but with all compounds the effects on liver, kidneys etc are unknown so its still a risk one has to think about with RCs]

BZP & TFMPP can be interesting, just don't compare them to true MDXX and expect a nasty comedown [which will vary, some people are ok some have awfull experiences] and some people have had instant panic reactions (not that common but they are not always pleasant chemicals)

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[trptamene]

some hamsters like 5-meo-mipt and describe it as being social and euphoric...but it can be psychedelic at higher doses...

5-meo-mipt doses are notoriously variable form person to person and it is best to titrate the dose (swim started with 5 mg, and worked up from there).

you either like this one or you don't

[MrJenkins]

was going to say 5-meo-mipt before even seeing trptamene's post. not much visually which is what you probably want. energetic and arousing but like he said can be psychedelic given enough.

[candy_kid]

2c-i at low low doses such as ~5 mgs mixed with small amounts of alcohol is extremely euphoric for swim and doesn't have a trippy side at all. 22mgs on the other hand is a completely different story

[kmm5000]

Swim has realised that 4-fmp is class a and realises that it really isnt worth getting based on that...

SWIM is curious on 5-meo-mipt and reading up does seem to cause euphoria howver dosing is key so will start very light and gradually build up to a acceptable amount.. SWIM was thinking 3mg at frist and build up from there..

The 2cs SWIM thought were extremly trippy and dosing can be difficult on these??

SWIM has tried bzp and TFMPP and felt like they were a dirty buzz and the comedownl but like you say each person is different on certain substances

Cheers for the help guys will do some more reading on the different substances

[syntelman]

Desoxypipradrol is IMO the best legal stimulant (much much better than any BZP or other piperazine _poison_ that is all over the place) that it commercially available at the moment. Not for the faint of heart with a duration of 20-24 hours tho... But otherwise it fits the description very well.

[candy_kid]

5-meo-mipt according to SWIM's records is light and floaty. It seems to create little care and little thought at that- excellent for meditation and going for walks but not much of a party thing.

2cs vary quite a bit, 2c-e for example is by far the most intense psychedelic swim has tried (intense in the trying to keep one's head afloat manner), however 2c-i is rather smooth, its a little stimmy and thought racing at higher doses, but it tends to keep one's ego available, and at around 5mgs (especially with alcohol) its never done swim or his friends wrong (many of whom hate anything even mildly trippy) I'd recommend based on swim's notes on this one giving it a try

methylone's comedown btw isn't as bad as some people's friends seem to think- swim found himself a bit sad that it wore off so quickly when it did, but asside from some short lived irritability and tiredness there wasn't too much to cry about. Perhaps some people dosed a few more times than they should have before finally letting the peak drop ?

[kmm5000]

SWIM is very grateful of these suggestions.. Swim was always under the impression that 2cs were very trippy, But candy kid 2c-i does seem very much SWIMs cup of tea, SWIm will read up on the effects on this,

Is the dosing of 2c-i very precise??? Would 1mg over send SWIM to the trippy side? Each person is differnet so SWIm was thinking maybe 3mg to start with and progress from there?? Would this be a sensible idea for SWIM?

[Nagognog2]

2-CI has a narrow threshold between a euphoric stimulant and an all-out psychedelic. If SWIM is not ready for a potential full psychedelic experience, it would be suggested to look further. Accidents happen. And it is wise of SWIM to know his limits.