RC guinea pig

[flipthecandy]

SWIM is very interested in being a guinea pig for testing various research chemicals. The idea of (possibly) being paid to take various tryptamines and phenelythamines sounds very appealing to SWIM.

How would one go about signing up to be a guinea pig like this?

[fnord]

ummm i dont think you can choose what chems are fed to you but many university's and medical corporations are always looking for people to test new drugs,they probably wont get you high though...

why not go to college and major in O. chem?

[flipthecandy]

Originally Posted by fnord

ummm i dont think you can choose what chems are fed to you but many university's and medical corporations are always looking for people to test new drugs,they probably wont get you high though...

Would there be some research chemical tests going on in Oz? I'm talking about the cool chemicals...

Originally Posted by fnord

why not go to college and major in O. chem?

Because it takes a lot of time and effort and I don't really enjoy chemistry.

[Zaprenz]

I think you've got the whole thing a bit backwards.

Companies will pay for individuals to be included in clinical trials for new medical drugs. I.e new antibiotics, vaccines, asthma medication. Inherently unfun and potentially risky [thats where the money comes in as an incentive]

...technically yes that could include "fun" drugs, pain killers etc - but highly unlikely, especially as they would test pain killers on patients in pain and ADHD drugs/stimulants on well people with ADHD etc you get the idea.

Even if you were lucky enough to get on a phase one clinical trial - which test inherent safety of new drugs in healthy people. They will want healthy individuals (mentally and physically) and will quickly exclude you if they believe your are in it for the wrong reasons.

There are legitimate clinical trials where you get paid for being the patient (and taking the risk) and there are "fun" drugs (for want of a better word) where if anything you will be paying for the drugs. [even if they are untested]

The saying "there is no such thing as a free lunch" comes to mind.

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well said, the op will likely have a better idea of what to expect because of this

[enquirewithin]

Originally Posted by flipthecandy

SWIM is very interested in being a guinea pig for testing various research chemicals. The idea of (possibly) being paid to take various tryptamines and phenelythamines sounds very appealing to SWIM.

How would one go about signing up to be a guinea pig like this?

LOL! If SWIYwere a poor peasant living in India, SWIY might paid a pittance to take some potentially lethal medication!

[JDreaming]

Nice try. Nobody I know of is conducting any funded and legitimate research involving the effects of rare psychedelic chemicals on the human mind. There's sadly no money in learning more about these kinds of compounds right now. If you were in the right place in the right time and were smart and descriptive enough, perhaps SWIY could have been a part of Dr. Shulgin's study group, but alas that's over and done with now and there's nothing else like it taking its place.

The options now appear to be: Become a professional chemist (or a professional in another relevant field) and devote one's life to real work in this area, or obtain and take the chemicals on one's own and publish experience reports and analysis anonymously.

[flipthecandy]

Originally Posted by JDreaming

Nice try. Nobody I know of is conducting any funded and legitimate research involving the effects of rare psychedelic chemicals on the human mind. There's sadly no money in learning more about these kinds of compounds right now. If you were in the right place in the right time and were smart and descriptive enough, perhaps SWIY could have been a part of Dr. Shulgin's study group, but alas that's over and done with now and there's nothing else like it taking its place.

The options now appear to be: Become a professional chemist (or a professional in another relevant field) and devote one's life to real work in this area, or obtain and take the chemicals on one's own and publish experience reports and analysis anonymously.

Yeah, I thought I was being a bit too hopeful...

About Sasha, why haven't psychedelic drugs and their affects on the human brain been researched more? It's absolutely fascinating and the possibilities are endless...I suppose the human race is still scared of the unknown. We seem to be the curious ones...

[candy_kid]

I've browsed the list of trials before, the most interesting one I've seen is the effects of ghb on driving =D

I'm fairly sure I can post this link (after reading through the rules) but if I cant, inform me and I'll edit it out-- http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/1..._drugtest.html has a lot of good information on drug trials and how to get involved - after that I suppose its just waiting for an ideal local trial, which could take some time...

fyi, the odds of tryptamines and phenethylamines getting tested is rather low... so if swiy is looking specifically for these then I'd say for them not to get their hopes up. Mind you... swim finds most tryptamines and phenethylamines to be very excellent antihistamines, maybe one day a doctor will realize this

[Nagognog2]

To my knowledge the only psychedelics being approved for human trial are psilocybin and LSD-25. At least in the USA. And they are rather childish trials in my opinion - psilocybin for cluster headaches, and LSD for alcoholism. Right about where things were left in the early 1960's before Tim Learly popped out of a Jack-In-A-Box and screwed it up (he meant well). That was Harvard.

Now Harvard is again leading the charge up the sandbox. Though not RC's, at least it's a start after a 40+ year hiatus. You could call the McLean Hospital in Belmont, Massachusetts and find out out who playing now. Regards the RC's - that will take a lot of time.

[radiometer]

Originally Posted by Nagognog2

And they are rather childish trials in my opinion - psilocybin for cluster headaches...

What about Charles Grob and his cancer anxiety study? Among others.

http://www.maps.org/research/#PSILOCYBIN


Regarding the original question of this thread:

In the varnacular: You're tripping, dude.

[Nagognog2]

Originally Posted by radiometer

What about Charles Grob and his cancer anxiety study? Among others.

http://www.maps.org/research/#PSILOCYBIN

I'm not saying all. But regards this particular study, it was done before using DPT and LSD. Check the book: The Human Encounter With Death by Stanislav Grof. Dates back to the 1970's. Interesting stuff.

[Zaprenz]

Funny there is probably more paperwork and legal issues if a drug company wants to run trials on DMT [an endogenous compound] than a new completely untested anti-depressant affecting 5-HT.

[?] Although I guess DMT etc can't be patent so there is no money in it anyway.

[fnord]

can you provide a link to the alcoholism study's?

[Pondlife]

Note that adverse reactions sometimes occur, and clinical drug trials don't always work out to be the easy money that they are often thought to be.

Here's a notorious example from last year where six patients testing a new drug in the UK became seriously ill, two of them critically:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4808836.stm

Two men remain critically ill and four others are in a serious condition after suffering a violent reaction while taking part in a clinical drugs trial.

All are still in intensive care in Northwick Park Hospital, north-west London, after falling ill on Monday.

They all survived in the end, but who knows what the long-term consequences will be, especially for the two more serious cases?

[enquirewithin]

^Politics! Why are some drugs legal multi-billion dollar enterprises and others illegal? It is not acceptable for drugs -- and especially might make you feel good-- which have 'no medical use' to be researched.

[flipthecandy]

'No medical use' is pretty subjective in my opinion. Is depression a medical illness? How about anxiety? How about being a close-minded, right-wing, conservative christian republican? Ok that's more of a disease, but you get my point.

[enquirewithin]

Of course, you are right. There are plenty of medical uses for psychedelics and especially for marijuana as a benign pain killer, but the far right won't even allow that. Being anti-drug gets votes. Aggressive imperialist foreign policy causes far more deaths than any drug epidemic could ever do.