snorting 4-aco-dipt

[fnord]

is this safe?what would be the maximum safe dose? any swims swam like this before?what about other methods?iv im ib?(intrabumbum) whats the maximum known oral dose?

[trptamene]

ib? Did you coin that yourself fnord?

swim avoids insufflation of RC's...it is too hard to predict the effects and the expediated come-up is sometimes not as friendly to swim.

Oral 4-Acetoxy-DiPT Dosages
Threshold 3 - 5 mg
Light 5 - 15 mg
Common 15 - 30 mg
Strong 25 - 40 mg

Onset : 20 - 60 minutes (depending on form and stomach contents)...
Duration : 2 - 4 hours
Normal After Effects : 1 - 4 hours


I read a report on erowid where someone reported doing 55mg at T=0 and another 30mg 6 hours later here. But I am sure there is some idiot out there that has done 150+mg...i have read no reports of deather occuring with this like with amt or 2ct7.

If swiy insists on doing this, start low, very low, like a mg or something.

EDIT:
Oh, also, I think the acetoxy group needs to be hydrolized before the molecule can cross the BBB....if this is the case, insufflation may do nothing for you. If one really wants to do insufflation/iv/ib, it may be best to stick with the HO's IMHO...but I am not sure of this and nag or someone can probably come along and tell me how wrong I am.

[chrisn]

I think you are right that acetylated tryptamines have low bioavailability for insufflation. My dragon has sniffed 16mgs of 4-aco-dmt and could barely tell if there was a drug in him.

I think I'm going to start using intrabumbum, that's a great term :P

[trptamene]

Originally Posted by chrisn

I think you are right that acetylated tryptamines have low bioavailability for insufflation. My dragon has sniffed 16mgs of 4-aco-dmt and could barely tell if there was a drug in him.

I think this is what makes the actoxy's unique relative to the HO's....when they first started making these everyones thoughts were that they would immediately be hydrolized in the stomach (that's why you dont see any actoxy's in tihkal...they are put with the HO compounds). But with many new private researchers coming out it has become evident that actoxy's are unique compounds with their own magic.

The fact that they are not immediately hydrolized is what gives acetoxy's a smoother come up and longer duration, because you have to wait for your body to put that HO group on there.

[fnord]

thanks yall,i like IB also for a new word.

what would be the cause of an overdosing on this?is there an easy way to add the HO group before consumption?what would be the first signs of an overdose?high/low BP or pulse?

[Nagognog2]

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[trptamene]

Originally Posted by fnord

is there an easy way to add the HO group before consumption?

I am postive you could, but it is probably more economical to just get some 4-ho-dipt (iprocin). Me thinks if one can get 4-aco-dipt they can get 4-ho-dipt.

[fnord]

well im sure someone could but seeing as this is a gift my grandma's receiving theres not much choice.

[trptamene]

If one really wants to do this I'll do some literature searching, see if I can't find a simply hydrolysis of acetoxy groups on an aromatic system...

One thing to keep in mind:

yields are never 100% and approaching one that is quantitative can be difficult and sometimes the energetics simply won't allow it (unless one has a million + years on their hands).

So, if one has less than 75-100 mgs of this it may not be worth it (remember you are also losing a reasonable amount of weight in the molecule by changing from aco to ho, so if you start of with say 50 mg, the most one might hope to get back may be around the high 30's...i'm not familiar with swiy's degree of chemical knowledge but do they know how to do the math to find out the most you could expect to get back, swim could write this out and show swiy if he decides to go this route as he should have an idea of what weight he is looking for in the final product)

...does swiy have a good amount to work with? Will it be worth their trouble to convert this?

4-aco-dipt is supposed to have some pretty nice magic to it, swim would not pass up the oppourtunity to try this drug just so they can have iprocin; particularly since iprocin is more common and easier to get ahold of. If one has a good amount of weight, then it may be worth their time to take a percentage of this and convert it to the ho compound.

swim is still somewhat confused about insufflation...he really does not like unsufflating psychedelic drugs when the oral bioavailability is just reasonably high...but different strokes for different folks.

So, does swiy still require the info?, if so i'll try to get it this week when I have access to the chemical literature (it may be as simple as stirring it in acid)

[candy_kid]

swim and his friends never tried snorting 4-aco-dipt, but they did try it without the gel cap (dont ask why) and it had to be one of the most terrible things any of them have ever tasted. Swim spent the first hour of the trip drinking and eating to get the flavour out of his mouth... swiy might want to consider this before trying anything near swiy's tastebuds

[trptamene]

Originally Posted by candy_kid

swim and his friends never tried snorting 4-aco-dipt, but they did try it without the gel cap (dont ask why) and it had to be one of the most terrible things any of them have ever tasted. Swim spent the first hour of the trip drinking and eating to get the flavour out of his mouth... swiy might want to consider this before trying anything near swiy's tastebuds

most synthetic psychedelics have a chemically taste that 98% are not fond of...has swiy tried other RC's? was this one in particular much worse?

If one has read pihkal/tihkal they will know that Shulgin never masks the taste of the chemical and considers it part of the experience...swim would not gain anything from this but a bad taste, but maybe to an experienced researcher the palate can add information about the drug or give a hint to its magic? (worse taste=better trip???)

this may be getting a little of topic though...

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cool, didn't know about shulgin and his 'oh natural' chems thx for informing :)

[candy_kid]

^^ thats a good point, tbh swim hasn't tasted that many RCs, or chems for that matter- however swim has also tasted mdma hcl, 2c-i, mdpv, 4-ho-dipt & moxy for various reasons- all of which tasted fairly bad (mdma the least bad and 2c-i the worst), but none quite as bad as 4-aco-dipt- and the flavour in these didn't last nearly as long- which was the least appealing part of the 4-aco-dipt experience.

You're definitely right tho, there are very likely worse tasting substances out there cool theory about the palate too, makes swim want to try his tongue at more flavours

[fnord]

thanks i think my buddy will just stick to oral use without any conversion,thanks to all who shared there knowaldge!

[Alfa]

Snorting 4-aco-dipt and 4-ho-dipt was rather pleasurable. It has been 7 years ago since AFAOF tested those research chemicals, so he doesn't remember the dosage. He does remember that the effect was not psychedelic and that the rats using it went through supplies much quicker than anticipated.

[fnord]

so no visuals but a body buzz?is that what your saying alfa?

[Alfa]

Barely any visuals. Some erotic enhancement. Plus some euphoria.

[samadhi_smiles]

you trip hard snorting 4-aco's and 4-HO's, harder on 4-HO's-

wooboy

[Alfa]

That is very likely, depending upon the dosage. As said; AFOAF didn't have psychedelic effects with snorting 4-aco-dipt and 4-ho-dipt.

[Nagognog2]

Oh goodie! Another research project lands in the laps of Bongo & Kongo, Ltd.

Once I scrape the fur off his fingers, Bongo will publish the results. Ook!

[allyourbase]

swim has found this to be the least effective method of ingestion for this particular chemical.

[fryingsquirrel]

Certainly SWIY won't get the 2-3 times increased potency as with phenethylamines. They hit quickly and are fairly short lived even orally, no real advantages to snorting, though they don't burn nearly as bad as phens. And yes, the 4-tryptamines are as vile tasting as anything SWIM has encountered.