TEK - crack to cocaine HCl powder conversion, others

[pyro15]

Let's say that SWIM's friend finds some crack and meth somewhere.
SWIM's friend doesn't want to try either, but SWIM is willing to
expirement. Since SWIM has never tried coke or crack, he would much
rather try coke first. I've been able to find out how one can make coke
into crack, but how would the reverse process work? If it's not
possible, what should swim do, since he VERY MUCH does NOT want to try
smoking crack at this point.

[polloloco001]

dont smoke it then. i dont tihnk you can turn it back into coke. it would be like turning peanut butter back into peanuts.

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[pyro15]

I'm assuming that crushing it up into a fine powder and snorting it
wouldn't work? If that's the case I'll probably try to find someone
else who wants it. Nothing against crack, just not entirely sure that I
can trust myself not to get hooked on it. That's not something I really
want to take a chance with at this point in my life.

[InGInzane]

Hi All

Swim , crack to cocaine-HCl, can be re-turned?
se puede reconvertir el crack a Clorohidrato de cocaina ?

10x

[bcStoner420]

Im pretty sure all that is needed is to add HCl acid to the freebase cocaine, not sure of amounts. I'm also not sure if this will work with crack made by the baking soda method, I think it would but would take more HCl to counteract the baking soda? Just a guess. In fact, I'm pretty sure you can use virtually any acid to make back into a salt, though depending which acid you use will change the type of salt formed.

Do a search, you should find the full answer to your question no problem.

[crizzle]

ok does anyone know what is the best, and also the easiest method, to do this conversion?

[fnord]

for shooting a lil bit of acetic acid works great.

[trptamene]

you can thank Deckstruct 11

Do in this order and remember it is VERY IMPORTANT to not do this with a HCl acetone solution that has been shelved for any amount of time. SWIM doesn't know why but the acetone will begin to turn yellow and does not produce desired results.
1. add dry base to ether (1g/15mL)
2. add 36-38% HCl Lab Grade if possible to acetone (.2mL/10mL) for every gram of base going to be crystalized. So [1g base/15mL Ether/10mL acetone/.2mL HCl]
3. add HCl/acetone solution all at once to base/ether solution. immediately it turns white as milk then crytals begin to settle
4. when all crystals settle and the ether looks completely transparent then slowly swoosh crystals around and pass through funnel shaped filter paper makig sure tho catch the ether undrneath in a clean dry jar.
5. pass some clean acetone over crytals in the filter and also collect in the jar.
6. dry out by fanning with unheated air. (NO HOT AIR BLOW DRYING!!!!)
7. a small electric fan works well. Just far enough away so that no crystals fly out.
8. Drying is determined when a piece can be placed on a mirror and easily powders up. if the caine gets clumped up then it is still "ether wet"

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...125#post246125

[Benga]

there's more if you UTFSE

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29470

people wouldn't believe how many identical threads are created with the same subjects.

when the forum is fully indexed with the prefixes, this type of question will be available using the prefix TEK as a filter.

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[renato]

hello,SWIM have something who smell vinegar and light brown....so he did freebase whit it.....and try to convert it into HCL.....but the final product is burning nose like hell.....and lost the half....any alternative?

Thanks

[Benga]

merged. please do not double post.
also read :

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29470
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=38798
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27089

[epote]

you must turn in it something water soluble to be able to use it intranasaly.

ideally one would dissolve cocaine base in a suitable solvent (ethyl ether, acetone) and add a stoichiometric amount of hcl acid.

Ok step by step using the easiest and safest chemicals possible

1) dissolve cocaine base (crack) in acetone (10ml/gr of base). Anything NOT soluble in acetone sould be filtered off
2) let the acetone evaporate on a flat ceramic surface. Eventually a white substance will be stuck on the plate. Scrap it of and weigh it. It must be an accurate scale though, at least with a 0.1 precision
3) dissolve base in acetone (again 10ml/gr of base).
4) ad 0.25ml per gram of cocaine base of 38% hydrochloric acid in the same amount of at least 190proof ethanol.
5) while stirring add the hcl acid/ethanol to the acetone/cocaine base. Crystals should form, let it crystallize for 3 hours at least. Filter out the crystals and let them dry. Thats cocaine hcl and it should be relatively pure...

BUT its not easy to perform, nor the chemicals easy to obtain. The easiest way to use cocaine base without smoking it is actually eating it. Just eat 30-100mg of cocaine base (or the equivalent in lines you would do) and wait, the onset will be slower, the high more subtle but its very enjoyable and because it lasts longer and is smoother it is more suited for use in social environments.

Other methods would be to add water and ad drop wise enough lime or vinegar to dissolve it and then drop the water under your tongue to be absorbed, that would be very similar to snorting in terms of high and absorption etc.

just pay attention to the amount used

[fnord]

1) dissolve cocaine base (crack) in acetone (10ml/gr of base). Anything NOT soluble in acetone sould be filtered off

IMHO it would be best to use anhydrous acetone,i find that water clings to filter paper much easyier then acetone, and seeing as any water in the acetone would also contain coke you would then have a filter paper with part of your coke in it.

[epote]

well yeah, but getting anhydrous acetone is hard, anything over 99% pure is good though

[Xaero]

Whats up with everyone always saying 'you can't snort crack'?
SWIM has personally done the following. Melt the rocks in a spoon-heat it just enough to melt into a liquid, if you see fumes coming off it you fail. Add about equal amount (by mass, not weight) of any powder. SWIM uses ground caffeine pills, oh and you should have the fine ground up powder ready when you melt the rock. The liquid rock will get absorbed by the powder, and semi-recrystalize, making kind of a hard powder. Let it cool for a couple minnutes, crush it up with a credit card or w/e you use, and line up the rails. There you have it, how to snort crack cocaine. Hits almost like powder, but SWIM finds he does not get that face numbing feeling as much.
As said, SWIM has done this numerous times. For any non-believers, all SWIM has to say is, try it. All you need is one rock, one caffeine pill, a spoon, a lighter, and a toothpick or something to stir it and get it off the spoon.

Oh but yeah, just crushing up a rock and snorting it doesn't do anything.
~Cheers~

[fnord]

Originally Posted by Xaero

Whats up with everyone always saying 'you can't snort crack'?
SWIM has personally done the following. Melt the rocks in a spoon-heat it just enough to melt into a liquid, if you see fumes coming off it you fail. Add about equal amount (by mass, not weight) of any powder. SWIM uses ground caffeine pills, oh and you should have the fine ground up powder ready when you melt the rock. The liquid rock will get absorbed by the powder, and semi-recrystalize, making kind of a hard powder. Let it cool for a couple minnutes, crush it up with a credit card or w/e you use, and line up the rails. There you have it, how to snort crack cocaine. Hits almost like powder, but SWIM finds he does not get that face numbing feeling as much.
As said, SWIM has done this numerous times. For any non-believers, all SWIM has to say is, try it. All you need is one rock, one caffeine pill, a spoon, a lighter, and a toothpick or something to stir it and get it off the spoon.

Oh but yeah, just crushing up a rock and snorting it doesn't do anything.
~Cheers~

I dont think this would work, Can anyone else confirm/deny this?

[Benga]

sounds like it would probably hit like caffeine HCl...

[Xaero]

Originally Posted by Benga

sounds like it would probably hit like caffeine HCl...

No, caffeine is irrelevant, SWIM use it because its easily dissolved and good combo with coke anyways.
You can shoot rock, so blood delivery works, right?
The reason you cant just crush up a rock and snort it is because it can't dissolve and go through your mucus membrane. This way it binds itself onto the microscopic grains of whatever powder you use and uses it as a delivery system into your blood stream through your nose membrane. Like IVing, only....not. Instead of heating it with H2O and shooting, you heat it alone and add powder and snort. Same end, different means.

As I've said, anyone can prove (or disprove) this by trying it. If I'm pulling all of this out of my ass and you lose your $10 rock, you can ban me from this forum forever, hows that?

PS: Yeah I forgot, you want to strip the outer coating of whatever pill you use, you don't want the waxy coating in there.
For best results, your pill should be ground up as fine as humanly possible before you mix it. (and when you snort it, but that goes for anything)
When you heat the rock, don't forget to heat gently, not like you would with water. Fumes = you losing coke.

[Benga]

Originally Posted by Xaero

You can shoot rock, so blood delivery works, right?
The reason you cant just crush up a rock and snort it is because it can't dissolve and go through your mucus membrane. This way it binds itself onto the microscopic grains of whatever powder you use and uses it as a delivery system into your blood stream through your nose membrane.

you're right in that freebase cocaine isn't really water soluble hence the delivery issues...
yet IV'ing crack, from what swim knows, requires a simple chemical conversion process by exposing the freebase to an acid ( lemon juice, citric acid, ascorbic acid etc), before injection.
not sure about the process described here, and how the binding would work, but more info / discussion on this technique or similar are certainly welcome.

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[pahana]

There is a problem with the acetone 37% HCl solution method. That is water. Since Cocaine HCl is very water soluble you must get rid of any water before creating the hydrochloride salt. Otherwise you will get a goopy mess. Drying the acetone HCl mixture with Magnesium Sulfate which is non reactive with HCl will remove any water in the HCl/Acetone mixture. Get some epsom salts at the drug store and place it in a pyrex dish. Heat it in an oven at 500 F for a couple hours to drive off all the water. The MgSO4 will turn snow white. Add a small amount of the crushed magnesium sulfate to the acetone/HCl solution and swirl around. Decant the liquid from the MgSO4. This will remove most of the water from the solution. It is now ready to react with the ether/base solution. Beautiful crystals will be formed and will contain very little water. Drying will be very easy and the resulting crystals will be fluffy and beautiful. Its not a good idea though to snort pure coke so you probably want to cut it with about 20% Mannite (mannitol) so it wont burn your sinuses. Mannite is baby laxative. I saw it at a head shop once and figured that they were selling it for that purpose.

[Lokibee]

From swims own experience.....
use clear vinigar instead of water to make crack IVable draw it up through cotton put it in and listen to the train come roaring down on swiy....

[chinpokomaster]

Mix the crack with hydrochloric acid drop by drop until no further reaction. Stir as you go.