Torture Drug

[splish6]

Think about the huge variety of experiences that drugs can give you. Our brains are complicated, with lots of different neurotransmitters and receptors just waiting to be stimulated or inhibited by drugs!

I see so much more potential for them though, so many more feelings to synthesize.

I think of opiates, and wonder why there isn't a drug that makes you feel complete full-body pain. A hornet stinging every inch of your skin or something.

Is there? Will there be?

I guess I shouldn't limit it to just a "torture drug" type thing. There are so many other feelings to be induced. Deja vu, orgasm, etttcccc...

Some day drugs will become obsolete and we'll be able to create these feelings by shoving some kind of Matrix plug into our brains or something, right?

[seeingred]

Originally Posted by splish6

Think about the huge variety of experiences that drugs can give you. Our brains are complicated, with lots of different neurotransmitters and receptors just waiting to be stimulated or inhibited by drugs!

I see so much more potential for them though, so many more feelings to synthesize.

I think of opiates, and wonder why there isn't a drug that makes you feel complete full-body pain. A hornet stinging every inch of your skin or something.

Is there? Will there be?

I guess I shouldn't limit it to just a "torture drug" type thing. There are so many other feelings to be induced. Deja vu, orgasm, etttcccc...

Some day drugs will become obsolete and we'll be able to create these feelings by shoving some kind of Matrix plug into our brains or something, right?

Possibly, though Im somewhat of a cynicist if the government got control over these torture drugs and used them secretly whereever the CIA holds all their top secret prisons would have a new poster on the wall, reading Torturex: only approved for ages 18-69
Or perhaps they would use them to punish unruly cellmates. We have plenty of chemicals we could throw together the best torture drug around. Just take all the side effects and get rid of the pleasent ones.

[fnord]

narcan a opiate addict.

[Tranquil Toad]

I forget the name (did a search but couldn't find it), but there is a drug that makes anything bitter taste sweet; so if you ate a spoonful of salt it would taste like sugar. That is pretty specific as far as drug effects go, usually there are a slew of other side effects.

As for a torture drug, i'm sure LSD used under the right (or wrong) circumstances could be used in torture. Imagine being locked in some dilapidated torture chamber WHILE tripping on acid. I'd tell them anything they want to know pretty fast.

[Nahbus]

Originally Posted by fnord

narcan a opiate addict.

yes indeed.

[Nagognog2]

According to reports from people who have been kidnapped by CIA and taken to "secret prisons" under "extraordinary rendition" - and were later released after extreme outcry by foreign governments (allied with USA only need apply - like a famous case out of Germany) - they were given LSD or something similar and subjected to various forms of physical and psychological torture.

After playing with LSD-25 (and various similar molecules) from 1949 through the 1960's, the CIA learned it didn't make a good truth serum. But they DID learn you could magnify the pain you were intentionally inflicting on your victims.

[seeingred]

Originally Posted by Nagognog2

According to reports from people who have been kidnapped by CIA and taken to "secret prisons" under "extraordinary rendition" - and were later released after extreme outcry by foreign governments (allied with USA only need apply - like a famous case out of Germany) - they were given LSD or something similar and subjected to various forms of physical and psychological torture.

After playing with LSD-25 (and various similar molecules) from 1949 through the 1960's, the CIA learned it didn't make a good truth serum. But they DID learn you could magnify the pain you were intentionally inflicting on your victims.

Swim read that LSD-25 was invented and then used on patients to see the effect it had on them. Scientists self-experimented with this drug and found out that they could in fact induce extremely high levels of awareness such as psychic perception. They also induced psychotic symptoms that could be reversed with something like clonozapine? So How to these drugs give humans the ability to read through things? Swims not sure the mechanism of LSD, swim never has done LSD. Swim has had psychic experiences on high doses of caffiene mixed with stimulants. Swim also heard that cocaine can produce esp.

"This self-experiment showed that LSD-25 behaved as a psychoactive substance with extraordinary properties and potency. There was to my knowledge no other known substance that evoked such profound psychic effects in such extremely low doses, that caused such dramatic changes in human consciousness and our experience of the inner and outer world. " taken from an exerpt on LSD origins.

As far as for torture, LSD had been proven to increase the levels of pain that were inflicted on prisoners.

[sterling77]

Originally Posted by fnord

narcan a opiate addict.

Or rimanobant a pot smoker! lol

[merc11292]

anyone ever see that movie "jacobs ladder" wasnt that about a supposed drug the US government created and tested on people in Vietnam, turned them into vicious soldiers, if the government made something like that i can only imagine what they could make to torture people.

but on another note, imagine a prisoner on, huge doses of both diphenhydramine and lsd. Go in his cell dressed as a gorilla or something and hed prolly shit himself and scream until he lost his voice.

[chrisn]

Better yet, BZ + LSD.

[Pino]

Gaba antagonists like metrazol don't sound, they are a lot of fun. They can put your in a convulsive state. Antipsychotics as risperdone. And this one I found on wikipedia and sounds especially horrible. Suxamethonium chloride:

Side effects include fasciculations, muscle pains, acute rhabdomyolysis with hyperkalemia, transient ocular hypertension, constipation[2] and changes in cardiac rhythm including bradycardia, cardiac arrest, and ventricular dysrhythmias. In children with unrecognized neuromuscular diseases, a single injection of suxamethonium can lead to massive release of potassium from skeletal muscles with cardiac arrest.
Suxamethonium does not produce unconsciousness or anesthesia, and its effects may cause considerable psychological distress while simultaneously making it impossible for a patient to communicate. For these reasons, administration of the drug to a conscious patient is strongly contraindicated, except in necessary emergency situations.
This drug has occasionally been used as a paralyzing agent for executions by lethal injection, although pancuronium bromide is the preferred agent today because of its longer duration of effect and its absence of fasciculations as a side effect. It has also allegedly been used for murder.[3]
Suxamethonium is the drug that is suspected to have been used to murder Nevada State Controller Kathy Augustine.[4]

And the duration is ideal for interrogations:

Suxamethonium is quickly degraded by plasma cholinesterase and the duration of effect is usually in the range of a few minutes. When plasma levels of cholinesterase are greatly diminished or an atypical form of cholinesterase is present (an otherwise harmless inherited disorder), paralysis may last much longer.

Dantrolene:

CNS side effects are quite frequently noted and encompass speech and visual disturbances, mental depression and confusion, hallucinations, headache, insomnia and exacerbation or precipitation of seizures, and increased nervousness. Infrequent cases of respiratory depression or a feeling of suffocation have been observed. Dantrolene often causes sedation severe enough to incapacitate the patient to drive or operate machinery.
Gastrointestinal effects include bad taste, anorexia, nausea, vomiting, abdominal cramps, and diarrhea.

And of course, these are all approved by the FDA.

[darkglobe]

800mg Diphenhydramine Hydrochloride.

Insufflated.

Whilst tied to a chair. With a current running through it.


With your feet in boiling water.


And "Drugs R Bad" by Eminem playing softly as you sniff....

[soma]

Amen, SWIM's Diphenhydramine experience was the closest thing to hell that a person can experience.

[stoneinfocus]

anti-psychoticsa like olanzapine, or risperidone in high doses do the trick... they´ll blast away any dopamine and make you feel seconds liek months, fell like being thirsty but unable to drink, like always starving and a dysphoria that´ll make you really think of hitting( doesn´t help) yourself or jumping onto the highway from a bridge.

Plus it blasts away your 5-HT receptors and some of them react to 5-HT deprivation by downregulation and don´t recover, so good luck facing no sleep, no circadian rhythm and other cool stuff probably for the rest of your life.

[Felonious Skunk]

LSD + a Britney Spears CD...I'll tell 'em whatever they want to know.

[English_T]

Originally Posted by merc11292

anyone ever see that movie "jacobs ladder" wasnt that about a supposed drug the US government created and tested on people in Vietnam, turned them into vicious soldiers, if the government made something like that i can only imagine what they could make to torture people.

but on another note, imagine a prisoner on, huge doses of both diphenhydramine and lsd. Go in his cell dressed as a gorilla or something and hed prolly shit himself and scream until he lost his voice.

Yep, Jacobs Ladder was based on a fucking frightening drug called BZ. (...and which by the way has been stockpiled and adapted for use in everything from mortars to750lb+ bombs. It was meant to be tested in Vietnam (..I think it was, didn't check ...)but the US government has no qualms about using this in the event of MAJOR civil unrest)
http://www.levity.com/aciddreams/samples/bz.html

The major chemical research centre for the army was known as 'The Edgewood Arsenal'. However, what information is available about drugs developed in the 60's and 70's will be nothing compared to the secret research that will be ongoing now, particularly will gene splicing/manipulation and all other 'new' areas of research. The fact is, and will always remain that research will be done to 'stay ahead of the game' - research is done in all areas so the knowledge is there if some 'unknown weapon' is used against the US. That said, Britain also had its own infamous research facilities and without a doubt there will be the same going on right now.

BZ effects by Ketchum
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/bz/bz_article1.shtml

Regarding BZ and other Research
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washing...eriments_N.htm

Good read...
http://www.thewednesdayreport.com/twr/bz.htm

http://www.uoregon.edu/~munno/Oregon...05/BZStory.htm

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Very entertaining and informative links

[FuBai]

If asked how I would torture someone using a drug I would probably suggest Ibogaine or Diphenhydramine delivered on a measured drip. The subject would be placed in a wooden container, which would then be sealed. The underside of the lid would contain an array of strobe lights which could be controlled from outside the box. A camera would be installed to monitor the reactions of the subject. To further create a sense of helplessness his head would be held steady by straps or other means, this would also prevent any thrashing from impaling his head on the spikes on the underside of the box lid, spaced in between the strobes. The subject's upper arms and torso would be similarly strapped in place to prevent fatal injury from occurring. An air supply would be connected to the box (which the subject would not know of) before the box is buried. The subject would be monitored by the camera, as for food and water, the diphenhydramine/ibogaine drip could be used to deliver nutrients and water. The strobe lights used irregularly along with the other conditions would elicit a strong negative emotional response and would certainly have a lasting mental effect. Speakers could also be installed in the box for added effect, or placing an animal such as a mouse or a harmless but large spider would increase the negative reaction but presents problems with gnawing the power lines for the strobe lights, speakers and camera.

Deleriants/hallucinogens are natural choices for a torture drug when used in the correct setting. Other drugs of interest are phenothiazines (such asChlorpromazine), Thioxanthenes (Flupentixol etc) and Butyrophenones (haloperidol) . These are all anti-psychotics that can be used to induce acathisia and therefore are very useful in a context where the subject's movements are limited or where surroundings are oppressive or disturbing. Atypical anti-psychotics may also be used such as Ro15-4513 which, again, causes restlessness and convulsions. If it is direct pain that is desired irritants can be topically applied to sensitive areas such as the genitalia.

Of course, everyone's heard of Sodium Pentathol for interrogation purposes, however it is not a drug of torture, in fact it has anti-anxiety effects, it simply makes the subject more pliable - similarly with MDMA.

I'm sure there are more ways to torture people with drugs but those are the ones I know of or can conceive of at this time.

[JDreaming]

I remember reading about a somewhat-nasty research chemical. 5-MeO-DET. Some of the people in Shulgin's study group who tried it referred to it as a "torture psychedelic", due to uncomfortable and possibly neurotoxic symptoms that set in at the same dosages where psychedelic effects start. Read "Extensions and Commentary" in Tikhal entry #36 for more details. I made a mental note never to waste anybody's time with it.

Then again, any mind-manifesting chemical can be torture if coupled with the wrong kind of mood or setting.

[soma]

This thread makes SWIM feel fightened-- Its George Bush's wet dream for Guantanemo Bay!

[Rio Fantastic]

Originally Posted by Tranquil Toad

I forget the name (did a search but couldn't find it), but there is a drug that makes anything bitter taste sweet; so if you ate a spoonful of salt it would taste like sugar. That is pretty specific as far as drug effects go, usually there are a slew of other side effects.

As for a torture drug, i'm sure LSD used under the right (or wrong) circumstances could be used in torture. Imagine being locked in some dilapidated torture chamber WHILE tripping on acid. I'd tell them anything they want to know pretty fast.

This is from the Miracle Fruit Plant and the drug that causes this is called miraculin. I dont understand how eating salt and finding it sweet would be torture, though.

[splish6]

Originally Posted by Rio Fantastic

I dont understand how eating salt and finding it sweet would be torture, though.

Originally Posted by splish6

I guess I shouldn't limit it to just a "torture drug" type thing. There are so many other feelings to be induced. Deja vu, orgasm, etttcccc...

I think the original poster thinks this splish6 guy is right.

[Ps]

Splish6, try doing a search for 'Figging'

its allready taken care of
Ps

[Gonzo_Shaman]

Another particularly sadistic torture method would be secretly administering an SSRI (pref. one that causes heavy withdrawal symptoms, like Paroxetine) to a prisoner over the span of a few weeks, then abruptly stop administration. They won't know what hit 'em.

Other interesting "torture drugs" would be DMCM, Cyclizine, Ketamine and mCPP.

Dissidents imprisoned in psychiatric prisons in the former USSR were drugged to basically turn them into zombies and keep them constantly confused. Some of the drugs I read they used were barbiturates, lithium, chlorpromazine, morphine and amphetamines.

[umbra1010]

I would expect that the Government is already working on a torture drug or trying different drugs to do the job.

[snapper]

SWIM found the TFMPP,BZP,MPP,MCPP combo to be sheer torture. Really really bad time. Deleriants have an amnesic effect so even though bad the experience would be forgotten. Physiostigmine which is a drug used to reverse the effects of anticholinerigic was used as a drug for witch trials and was considered torture.
DOI strapped to a chair with unpleasant stimulii could also be torture. Would be much worse than LSD due to the extreme stimulation.
SWIM has read there are some who liked 5meoDET...
Oh, and talking about withdrawals, dopamine rebound from GBL would certainly qualify. Could reverse easily once a confession was had too...