Experiences - swims st 1 kratom experience

[poison1981]

OK


tonight swim had a dose at 9pm took 2 teaspoons of crushed kratom

swim didnt feel much diff felt themself


swim took another 2 teaspoons at 10pm
swim feels the same only stimulated and a little numb like benzo with coffee

11pmg swim took 3 teaspooons felt a lil better kinda like a clean mild buzzz numb feeling again kinda like benzos and weed nothing special


what is swim doing wrong? Can SWIY save SWIM?

[Br00klynB0y87]

Originally Posted by poison1981

what is swim doing wrong?

Not using a scale.

Seriously, swiy needs to get them self a scale. Also, you say swiy is using crushed leaf? Not powdered leaf? Well if they are using crushed leaf and using a teaspoon to measure out their doses, chances are they are not getting much material into their system.

Also the type of Kratom (strain) swiy is using is very important, since if you have a commercial grade, well then swiy would need to take far more.

Swim knows for a fact that a heaping tablespoon of finely crushed powder weighs out to about (approximately) 7grams.

.peace.

[poison1981]

should swim try it again tonight? if so what does SWIY suggest? maybe 4 teaspoons at once followed by another 4 an hour later?

[MzEnthusiastic]

I would suggest powdering it up.... Do SWIY have access to a coffee grinder, or any kind of herb grinder???

I know we spoke on another forum about this too, but powder does work much better that crushed leaf.

[poison1981]

no whats the big deal? swim can handle the TNW method will mix it with a protien shake


and for my question what would be a good starting dose for SWIM tonight considering swim is using the exact same stuff

[MzEnthusiastic]

I wasn't insinuating that TPYK cannot handle it Poison.... But powder is better as far as potency for the TNW method.... Leaf works better for tea.... that's all... They could try making tea, but it tastes YUCKO!!

And since it took so much last night... TPYK may want to try starting with 5tsps this time, and go up from there. I know for TPIK it seems the up, up, up is hard to get effects from... Sometimes it's better just to take it all in one shot. Of course they will take that risk that they may get nauseous.

I do believe, however, with a zero tolerance, TPYK should not have had to take that much.... it may have something to do with the quality of the kratom TPYK is using.

[poison1981]

ok SWIM will take SWIY's adivce lol 5 (7g) tsp to start then see how SWIM feels

[MzEnthusiastic]

Originally Posted by poison1981

ok SWIM will take SWIY's adivce lol 5 (7g) tsp to start then see how SWIM feels

Let us know how that goes k?

Happy to help

[realfolkblues]

Ya dude heres your problem. 3 teaspoons = about 6-7 grams. It takes 10 to feel narcotic effects. And swims supposed to take all 10 grams at once genius.

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[poison1981]

it was swims first time and swim doesnt want to puke genius

[MzEnthusiastic]

Originally Posted by poison1981

it was swims first time and swim doesnt want to puke genius

[poison1981]

ok swim took a total of 10 teaspoons tonight and felt even less then yesterday! such horrible stuff all i got was a stimulating numbing buzz no europia just felt like i took a benzo and drank coffee

swim is on 80mg of prozac and have been taking the anti smoking drug chatnix do you think these meds could be preventing kratom from working? Or is it just bunk?

[ejbot]

i havent gotten much feel from 20g of kratom for my first time either... powdered "Thailand strain Mitragyna Speciosa Super Premium Kratom"

[Zaprenz]

SWIM has either got (only a few times) extremely nauseus and sick(like having a cold/flu type feeling) in other words too high a dose on kratom or barely noticable effects.

SWIM is not new to opioids or tryptamines and has tried many doses of different strains but can never get the dosing right. It always seems the optimal window between unpleasantly high doses and getting no effects is always hard to master.

Not helped of course by having so many different strains, powders, extracts etc.

[Panthers007]

Using the powder, either Bali or Thai, with no tolerance, will work. Using pure powder, and waiting a week - 7gm should elicit the desired effect. Or the monkey has bad Kratom.

Now stop the close-to-flame-war. This isn't kindergarten.

Thank you.

[ejbot]

finally success!!!!! used 20 grams of thai powder in juice and swim felt somethinggggg

swim has never done opiods before so wouldnt know if it was the opiod feeling per say, but swim had some trouble operating his legs for walking, but was completely capable of having sex ^_^ which lasted for 3 hours straight, but no orgasm for him... "she" orgasmed many many times though so it was very fun! swim will probably try it again soon but 30g

[Br00klynB0y87]

^^^

Well alright then.

On a side note;

I would really look into finding some better sources for better Kratom because as Panthers007 already pointed out; 7grams should be more than enough to experience Kratom ESPECIALLY for a new user. Swim personally find effects begin to become noticeable as low as the 5gram level some even claim lower than that, though at these level were not talking about sedated/euphoria, more of a stimulated level.

And NO we are not allowed to discuss vendors/sources here, but just look around on the web, you'll find definitely find something. Search things like premium Thai Kratom or premium/prime Malaysian Kratom. I would also tell you to look for Bali though unless you know specific vendors it is very possible you'll get some bunk Kratom at this specific point in time.

Also the reason why I suggest you find a better source for better quality Kratom is because the more you increase your dosage the more likely you are to become nauseated and 30grams+ will definitely begin to make most people sick.


.peace.

[Intoxicating Dreams]

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Does any swiy know which it would be? Swim heard from h3eryhjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj111111111nd he had a nice light stimulating effect.

[AceOvArts]

Tell SWIY to get some Ultra Enhanced Indo and take 1.5g - 2g of it. SWIY will get a good buzz from this. It is a little pricey but it really does work, SWIM is happily Kratomized right now on that exact amount


redwulfy "Mitragyna speciosa" is the latin name given to the Kratom plant, this name is not specific to strain but is the genus

[60sguy]

Why we have to swim with kratom is beyond me as it is as legal as coffee. However I do know swim intimately over the last several years my friend grew cloned and partook sold plants and tasted essentially every type of extract, and leaf available.
A. there is some bunk still circulating in the market a long story but compost is its only use. Knowingly dumped on the market from a huge plantation in Indonesia. Also even some of the best vendors get junk from time to time. Swim consumed one oz. of beautiful red Thai with no effects.
B. Exactly what do you have, at the moment stay away from anything that has the word Bali in the description. Look for Malaysian, Thai, wild crafted we can not list vendors but one rule of thumb look for a company that kratom, and their extracts are their primary offerings. Get leaf preground don't complicate your life at this point. Except for one vendor that gets junk ground at high temperature that kills the goodies, Malaysian regular or premium is a very safe bet. Regular $14 or so an oz. Super Green Malaysian $20+. that is the going price if lower something is wrong. Should one actually decide to consume the herb do so on an empty stomach, grapefruit juice is a great chaser and enhancer. Cap it or mix with applesauce. Both work but delay and foul up the absorption. When and how much? Most find it stimulating and a night dose will have you watching the sun rise. Swim has had this occur on several occasions. Saturday afternoons or late mornings.

How much, it does hit the opiate receptors and nausea is a real possibility for noobs. A hard head tests at 10 grams. A noob with high quality leaf not capped 2-4 grams wait an hour and consider more. Capped up to 2 hours or never

Effects are stimulating, antidepressant, pain killing, like rolling back the clock 20 years or stimulating euphoria. Some have different effects and when the opiate centers are hit they go to sleep, or become sedated. Each individual is different. Go slow, in one hour or more one can re-dose.

How are the alkaloids measured, yes they have machinery. Rarely used, many use a person that keeps their tolerance down. They take a dose like 10grams and evaluate it mentally from past known samples. Look for or email the number of mg. of Mitragynine per oz. Look for 300+ this is a perfectly legal question as the herb is sold for research and development an including this in your email will insure prompt response especially if worded well.

A long post but it should answer some questions, and I have a friend that is employed to do analysis of many batches of kratom to determine the amount of alkaloids per oz. should you run into problems.