Opinions - The Great Psychedelic Mystery/ Where's the Mescaline?

[flipthecandy]

Why is acid so much more common than mescaline? Mescaline is pretty simple to make, where as LSD is impossible for people without at least 4 years of university knowledge. Mescaline can be extracted from cactii that are pretty simple to obtain, while synthesizing LSD is a tedious process which has chemicals that are very hard to get. They are similar in effects/intensity/duration, and it's not like LSD is that much better than mescaline, in fact most reports I have read online comparing the two say that mescaline is much better.

So why is Mescaline rare and LSD everywhere?

[nleksan]

LSD can be made in much bigger batches with much smaller initial ingredients.

[flipthecandy]

But you can make mescaline in your basement! I call on psychonauts everywhere to start spreading the mescaline love! It is one of the easiest drugs to make, and it's extraction process needs no suspicious chemicals, so even a large scale extraction can be discrete.

[Dalfir]

It it worthwhile experience though? Or is it rife with nauseau and other unpleasentness? Or is it much like 'shrooms?

[Nagognog2]

Mescaline is simple enough to extract. But purification is tedious, and a full-on dose is 400mg - unlike LSD which only needs 100mcg to work it's magick. So mescaline really isn't cost effective for mass-production.

Best to figure this one is only found within a small circle of friends.

[nleksan]

Originally Posted by Nagognog2

Mescaline is simple enough to extract. But purification is tedious, and a full-on dose is 400mg - unlike LSD which only needs 100mcg to work it's magick. So mescaline really isn't cost effective for mass-production.

Best to figure this one is only found within a small circle of friends.

SWIM would agree. Typically mescaline is not something found for sale unless you know the person doing the extraction, at least in SWIM's experience.

[KBLSD]

Originally Posted by flipthecandy

Why is acid so much more common than mescaline? Mescaline is pretty simple to make, where as LSD is impossible for people without at least 4 years of university knowledge. Mescaline can be extracted from cactii that are pretty simple to obtain, while synthesizing LSD is a tedious process which has chemicals that are very hard to get. They are similar in effects/intensity/duration, and it's not like LSD is that much better than mescaline, in fact most reports I have read online comparing the two say that mescaline is much better.

So why is Mescaline rare and LSD everywhere?

swim likes mescaline a lot better than LSD but swim doesnt like fucking with san pedro cuz its expensive(compared to LSD) swim has only used mescaline twice once with peyote buttons and once from some pill capsules, swim thinks its alot better and would rather see alot more mescaline in the future

Originally Posted by Dalfir

It it worthwhile experience though? Or is it rife with nauseau and other unpleasentness? Or is it much like 'shrooms?

its better than shrooms but not as crazy as acid

[Nature Boy]

Originally Posted by KBLSD

swim likes mescaline a lot better than LSD but swim doesnt like fucking with san pedro cuz its expensive(compared to LSD) swim has only used mescaline twice once with peyote buttons and once from some pill capsules, swim thinks its alot better and would rather see alot more mescaline in the future

SWIM agrees. Such a shame that mescaline, chemical or in cactus, is quite expensive whether obtained legally or through the black market. It's a lot easier to pick up a DOx blotter than forking out six times the amount of cash for some Peruvian Torch skins that taste like absolute crap.

[fnord]

Originally Posted by Nature Boy

SWIM agrees. Such a shame that mescaline, chemical or in cactus, is quite expensive whether obtained legally or through the black market. It's a lot easier to pick up a DOx blotter than forking out six times the amount of cash for some Peruvian Torch skins that taste like absolute crap.

its not that expensive when you grow your own,my grandmother the party animal she is has 100 seedling starting,while this dosent help her now 2-4 years from now shes going to have quite the cacti collection!

[KBLSD]

Originally Posted by fnord

its not that expensive when you grow your own,my grandmother the party animal she is has 100 seedling starting,while this dosent help her now 2-4 years from now shes going to have quite the cacti collection!

not everyone has the time or ability to grow these cactus, and its takes a long ass to until u can use them, when u can go to ur dealer and pick up some blotter in 5 mins

[Snootch]

SWIM occasionally (3-4 times a year, tops) extracts mescaline from 2.7-3.5 kilograms of dried peruvian torch, bought online. He usually gets enough for 60-80 doses per extract (25g - 32/3g of mesc), though a couple of times he's only got 20 grams =[

swim prefers it to acid because of the fluidity of it all, its so healing, gentle and relaxing, it's not a 'psychadelic voyage' like acid can be. Swim finds acid, and even shrooms sometimes can be quite.. not exactly forceful, but thats the most accurate word he can think of. not quite dull either, but perhaps blunt? lsd can sometimes feel like its just being loaded onto swim and he's being poked in certain directions, whereas mescaline is the exact opposite. very lucid and nice :]

though as people have said, it's not a drug to make money in. tbh i've never heard of another person IRL extracting mescaline to pass on

[Beta]

Cross tolerance between mescaline and lsd?

[Nagognog2]

Yes there is cross-tolerance between LSD-25 and mescaline.

[Perception Addict]

Originally Posted by flipthecandy

and it's not like LSD is that much better than mescaline, in fact most reports I have read online comparing the two say that mescaline is much better.

So why is Mescaline rare and LSD everywhere?

1. It's hard to really compare drugs unless swiy has actually tried both of them. The same substances can wildly different effects on various people.

2. Swim has a suspicion that a lot of the acid that is 'everywhere' may actually be a certain rc, but that's just a hunch.

[fnord]

grandma says:

time invested:10 mins
cost:free from trading other plants online
profit: priceless

2 years from now shell have a few thousand worth of cacti,if she holds off and gets them to seed shell have a lifetime supply of cacti.from there if she takes cuttings and roots them shell have even more and will have teh opertunity to dose many many of her friends and make enuf money to live off of quite happily.

mescaline is not rare at all it just stays hidden well,swim converses with people online every day that have dozens if not hundreds of cacti san pedro torches even peyote!someone elses plants from another forum:


if one has the money id heavily suggest buying a few dozen or a hundred+ seeds!

[Tranquil Toad]

SWIM will have to look into how difficult it is to extract. He loves the effects of mescaline, but cannot stomach more than a mild dose of cactus. Would love to check out high doses above a ++, but that is a lot of bitter tasting peruvian torch for him to digest.

[DonReek]

Mescaline comes from a cactus which takes a long time to grow and costs alot of money.
SWIM can get hold of mescaline from a town 10 miles away at XXX to a gram.........THATS ALOT!!!

[Euphoric]

SWIM has never been so lucky to find LSD, every blotter has turned out to be an RC. Granted SWIM still has much more scouring to do and scour she will. Also according to reports from SWIM's friends who have had blotters they thought were LSD, say that they were bitter and just like the blotters SWIM had that most certainly were not LSD, so these friends probably did not do their research. SWIM thinks LSD is far from common in most places. She envisions Cali and Goa as psychedelic havens where they might be found, but LSD from anywhere is, SWIM is skeptical.

As for mescaline, as has been mentioned much above, if extraction is the method, then there's a long wait to grow cacti. Have no idea about making synthetic mescaline.

SWIM believes both are rare via 'dealers' however cacti are readily available through many avenues, though not necessarily as cheap as acid may be.

[Dogears]

Certainly whether mescaline is better or worse than LSD boils down to personal preference.

However in the personal opinion of SWIM, LSD is far far superior to mescaline. This is not to say that mescaline is not great too. Just LSD, for SWIM at least, takes thing so much farther than mescaline does.

Mescaline is more gentle and sublte, kinda nudging you in the right direction.

LSD is a hard core, hit you over the head, wake up and push you in the right direction whether you like or not.

I think in the long run LSD can take a person much further than mescaline ever would.

Of coarse SWIM advocate the use of many different psychedelics as they all show you the world in some what different ways. So their all good.

[Shampoo]

Originally Posted by Dogears

However in the personal opinion of SWIM, LSD is far far superior to mescaline. This is not to say that mescaline is not great too. Just LSD, for SWIM at least, takes thing so much farther than mescaline does.

Mescaline is more gentle and sublte, kinda nudging you in the right direction.

LSD is a hard core, hit you over the head, wake up and push you in the right direction whether you like or not.

There are a few reasons why most people say that their LSD experiences take them 'farther' than their Mescaline experiences. First, due to its scarcity, the administered 'street' dose, if one is lucky enough to come across it, is usually only around 300-350mg in swims experience (based on pill extractions and manufacture). This is an active psychedelic dose, but so is 75ug LSD however, people mostly administer above 100 for a 'full' experience. To understand the breadth of mescaline's psychedelic spectrum, one should IMO take above 400mg mescaline sulfate. The other reason LSD is considered more immersive than mescaline is due simply to its activity in the brain. While mescaline activates a relatively selective amount of neuroreceptors (2 reported), LSD activates a long slew of 5-HT receptors, stimulating an overwhelming release of mass endogenous neurotransmitters. LSD is thus inherently more 'immersive' than mescaline, as its activity in the brain is broader.

@electrum_io, mescaline can be extracted with a basic NP solvent and NaOH, both are considered household goods. It also has sources other than the rare peyote cactus, such as the san pedro, a common landscaping cactus south of the border as well as a readily available ethnobotanic from most online distributors. As fnord's grandma figured out, it is also relatively easy and inexpensive to grow, and can be harvested only 2 years into maturity (while the peyote button takes well over a decade to mature)

[electrum_io]

Who is SWIM? sorry I'm new. Anyway, my Alter Ego says that mescaline is not "easy" to extract; one needs more than basic kitchen items. Also organic mescaline has to come from the peyote cactus, and they are not available in abundance anymore (since 1970). However, A.E. heartily agrees that Mescalito is far nicer than LSD (not that he does not like LSD). In fact my A.E. often wonders where the LSD went! Both have their place in the overall scheme of entheogenic use.

[zera]

Swim finds mescaline qualitatively different from LSD. For one mescaline is a phenethylamine, while LSD is a tryptamine. The best way to sum up the differences in swims opinion is that mescaline is "broad" while LSD is "deep." LSD allows for deeper psychic exploration, but swim thinks mescaline is better for psychedelic n00bs because its easier to harness its power than LSD.

However swim thinks this thread is looking at it the wrong way, you shouldn't be thinking of them as substitute goods, but rather complement goods. When the two are combined the synergistic effect is just incredible.

[TMM]

Mescaline is usually dosed far lower than LSD. IMO it's a great misconception that one is more powerful than the other.

[JDreaming]

LSD and Mescaline are both rare and fleeting things on the market these days, depending where you are and where you look for drugs. But they're both still around and available for purchase. You can't un-invent a drug.

Actually, I was wondering... where is the appropriate thread to post experiences with pure mescaline hcl? I can find the threads for every kind of cactus there is but not the one for actual mescaline.

[zera]

Originally Posted by JDreaming

You can't un-invent a drug.

Tell that to quaaludes.