Legal Ways to Use Research Chemicals?

[sg43]

SWIM thought it would be a good idea to start a thread devoted to legal ways to research rc's.

The main thing he is trying to acomplish is find ways that a normal person without lab equipment or training could do personal research that is beleivable.

Thanks in advance for your help.

[rxbandit]

whats the legal difference between research chemicals and supplements? they both arent evaluated by the FDA, is it simply their analogue status?

How about the novel effects of outside chemicals on plant alkaloid content? May be frowned upon but is there anything illegal about that. Like someone feeding their cacti 2c-e then taking it to a lab after a few months or years of growing and seeing how it effected the chemical make up of the cactus or if it killed the cactus etc.

not sure theres many acceptable answers even if you really are conducting research out of curiosity.

[jux]

Originally Posted by rxbandit

. Like someone feeding their cacti 2c-e then taking it to a lab after a few months or years of growing and seeing how it effected the chemical make up of the cactus or if it killed the cactus etc.

you know its funny...mif actually thought of doing this (cactus doping with 2ce instead of dopamine) a while back....go figure, someone else thought of it too...and here he thought he had an original idea......oh well

[chrisn]

Wasn't Shulgin testing a while back if mushrooms acted as a 4-hydroxylizer machine? (That is, put X in the substrate, would one get 4-ho-x). Something along the lines of this could be acceptable.

And depending on what country you're in, therapy/addiction research using psychedelics might be appreciated. It is well known that ibogaine has promise for addiction therapy, what about other tryps, or even some phens such as 2C-E? Of course this would only work in a country without an analogue law, as this is obviously human consumption.

[jux]

Originally Posted by chrisn

Wasn't Shulgin testing a while back if mushrooms acted as a 4-hydroxylizer machine? (That is, put X in the substrate, would one get 4-ho-x). Something along the lines of this could be acceptable.

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thats one of the things that gave mif the idea....

in fact i posted a thread about doping cactus with 2ce a while back: http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33044

id still like some feedback on whether the theory is feasable (in that thread of course...this is getting off topic)

[Felonious Skunk]

For all the SWIM's and SWIY's out there, if it came down to being in trouble for possession of these exotic chemicals, most reasonable people (such as a judge or those comprising a jury) would conclude that, given their psychedelic properties, the only intended use would be consumption.

No sober-minded person is going to buy stories about conducting chemicals tests, amateur pharmacological research with wombats, or the 400 blotters of DOI being part of SWIY's "RC collection."

That said, the fact remains that most of these substances are not explicitly scheduled, and it seems many a judge and jury have been troubled by the prospect of convicting and imposing penalties on people for possession and consumption of things that simply aren't illegal. The Analogue Act be damned, the judicial system has ruled very erratically on this particular form of sneaky and irresponsible legislation.

rxbandit, the difference between supplements and rc's is of course that rc's are hallucinogens (or have other mind-bending properties) and supplements are not. The Analogue Act is interesting in that it reveals the true fear governments have of their citizens engaging in mind expansion.

I've always wondered if government would proscribe a drug that acted as an agonist on the "bureaucratic center" and "hypocrisy receptors" of the brain. Would it outlaw such a thing out of bureacratic habit and campaign against the dangers of a drug that would actually reinforce its own autocratic nature, thereby introducing a new level of subtle hypocrisy?

I suppose if the drug also made people see pink rabbits it would be outlawed because good god everyone knows how afraid the government is of pink rabbits...

[rxbandit]

I'd like to mention that kava kava, kratom, salvia(up until recently), GHB, as well as most steriods used to all be legal to possess and consume as supplements. Their are still a good number of plants with hallucinegenic property's that arent illegal. I also think a prosecutor would have a difficult time proving that you did not intend to feed your cactus these chemicals for novel causes. Also there are many RC's that are not hallucinegens. RC simply implys that it is an untested recreational drug that does not have to even be an analogue to a schedule 1 drug.

If one was trying to bullshit a reason, assuming you had a lab. It would be acceptable to say something along the lines of your testing for possible metabolites of these compounds in rats.

Remember, Research chemicals are a gray area. until there is a precedent set that shows research chemicals will provide an equal sentence of its schedule 1 counterpart it is prudent to assume this.

Also there are tons of indoles used as plant hormones that increase plant growth. If a novel botanist were to test his theory that all tryptamines have positive effects on plant growth he could test this with synthetic chemicals to take all other variables out of the mix.

I think a botanical argument would be the most legitimate and swims contemplating actually trying this experiment out, on plants(not in the court room).

[chrisn]

No doubt if one was in a legal situation involving these chemicals they'd have to have a lot more than a story to put up a defense, they'd have to be a part of an accredited lab or university. I doubt that's really what this thread is for.

Perhaps the OP wrote this post because many vendors ask for usage when ordering research chems, although I'm not sure if this would be a suitable post for DF, because it's basically asking how to be deceptive.

[sg43]

With all the people buying RC's you would think there would be more posts here about personal legit use....back to the topic question?