Combinations - What is the general consensus of candy flip dosing? (LSD + MDMA)

[pixiekatz]

Does anyone with experience with candyflipping have advice for timing
the two? As LSD has a duration of about 12 hours and MDMA has a
duration of about 6 hours, my cat was wondering which she might like to
take first, and when to take the second.

[prospero]

SWIM told me his favourite way is to take the acid, let it build to full strength (just to make sure everything is hunky dory), which takes perhaps two hours, and then think about the ecstasy. The ecstasy can be dropped at any time from the peak developing up to when things begin to tail off a bit - though the earlier you do it the longer the time period when both are at full power simultaneously.

[pabel_giboon]

About timming, I guess it is the best idea to wait for LSD to achieve it´s full effect, have an extra hour of fun with it, and then pop a couple of X and step into heaven. Anyway it wouldn´t recommend mixing for anyone who is not experienced enought with both LSD and MDMA separately.

[Nagognog2]

For those new to psychedelics, MDMA is suggested to help them vanquish their fear and anxiety first. Once one has seen their internal demons, and learned about them without the fear-factor, then they can safely venture further into the mind with a powerful psychedelic such as 2-CB or LSD. The mind is, for most folks, set with defence mechanisms that prevent one from addressing some bugaboo or other. These usually have to do with societal taboos.Powerful psychedelics will remove these defences and magnify that which they are being protected from seeing. But psychedelics do not remove the fear - they magnify all aspects.This is why people freak out on them. By seeing the inner workings of the mind without fear, as MDMA-type drugs can/will allow, prepares the person for the deeper journey inside.


Look mommy! I can type!

[xctico]

I took some alice and mdma at a party a few months ago, I took aout 3 blotters at first, followed by another blotter at t+3 hours and a capsule full of pure mdma at t+5 hours... The trip was already an intense one before the mdma, but once I took it it became a very introspective trip, being aware of every nerve and muscle in my body... I also felt a lot less energic after the e I just fell like sitting down and talking...it also made me very sex oriented [horny...] :P... a good trip.

[a_northern_soul]

My advice (Itouched on thisin another thread...my cat has had numerous experiences with the Candyflip) is to eat something that will coat your stomach, like iced cream or yogourt, and then drop the acid, smoke a joint (to relax yourself from the jitters), and drop a pure MDMA capsule. They have that plastic-like coating on the outside like Tylenol or something, and my cat has told me that he feels both drugs come on gradually and comfortably and peak after about four hours. After that, there are probably 8 good solid hours of peak-time.


You should trust me on this. After all, I'm convinced I have a talking cat...

[Dexy Mcfukfuk]

One in my position would say that the combination can be wonderful or horrible, htere isnt really middle ground.





My experiances have been incredible, it is literaly hte best trip i have ever had. Comparing the experiance to 2cb would do it justice, it is way more intense.





a problem one may run into is the mixture of a body load that acid can sometimes bring mixed with hte E, it hasnt happened to me but i imagine that it could potentialy be unpleasant

[ambrosius]

SWIM usually takes the acid first, waits until things get going (an hour to an hour and a half) and then takes the E. SWIM usually gets MDMA or MDA powder and snorts it. This seems to have an odd, though not unpleasant, effect on the trip. The LSD mental state seems to disappear and it feels more like a "first time" MD(M)A experience. He has a very high tolerance for E, however, so that might explain a few things.


For him, the experience has never been negative. He's one of the lucky ones who has never had a bad trip of any sort.

[HanSolo]

Crazy Gideon has candyflipped. He says drugs are dangerous and
shouldn't be done because sometimes things don't go as planned in many
different ways. Drugs should be legalized to some extent to
prevent alot of these problems. BUT for what
it is worth He told me that....



Candyflipping is worth it if you are going to do drugs anyhow....It is
a million times better than just LSD by itself. The two chemicals
seem to be made for eachother, at least in his body chemistry they
were. He tried this many years ago, but still remembers like
yesterday. He dropped the LSD, and just when totall insanity
ensued...he somehow remembered the pill of E in his sock. And
chewed it up on the spot. He couldn't even taste the bitterness
of the pill, due to intensity of the trip. Then what seemed like
immediately...the freight train of thoughts stopped, and was perfectly
able to analyze, comprehend, and articulate everything that was coming
his way. Clarity: sober. Mentally: super computer
Visually: tripping genitals Spiritually: Crazy as it may
sound, after the trip he came to believe that Christ was God incarnate,
and hasn't stopped believing since. Results may vary from person
to person.



He no longer does drugs do to the risk involved in his home country, and some of
the health risks involved. PROCEED AT YOUR OWN RISK. Peace.


Edited by: HanSolo

[kaniz]

SWIM dropped two hits of LSD for his first 'real' strong trip before
going to canadas wonderland. It started to hit SWIM hard in line
waiting for a rollercoaster, and it hit full swing on the first loop.
WOW :P



After that, SWIM decided things were getting /tooo/ intense, and took a
speedy E pill to help reconnect to reality a bit more, as sense of
reality was starting to go out the window, and SWIMs friends were on
mushrooms so not the best of sitters.



The E helped re-connect to reality where LSD disconnects, it also put
SWIM into a happier mindspace (was there to begin with, but it helped
ensure a good expiernece for the rest of the day), and the visuals
started to become more rooted in reality, as in reality was getting
distorted instead of seeing things that simply were not there, or 100%
changed.

[Dalfir]

From what SWIM has read, especially on an MDMA related site, the best way to candy flip is dropping the MDMA exactly four hours after the LSD. SWIM has heard the opposite though, LSD two hours after MDMA.

Which would SWIY think is the better option? From aforementioned MDMA related site.

Take your E exactly four (4) hours after taking your acid!

Why is this so important?
Well, if you take your E early (like say, after 3 hours) your acid peak won't be done yet, and the drugs end up sort of fighting for control of your brain. This is not a very fun sensation; you end up feeling lethargic and sort of light-headed. You may come out of it after an hour or two, but you will have missed the "candyflip" and will be just left feeling like you took a lot of drugs, and sometimes slightly spacey depending on the person.

If you take the E late (say, after 5 hours) you'll get a similar effect as taking your E too early, but probably not as strong. After 45 minutes or so it will clear up and you'll find that you're just rolling from the E, and it's not much like you took two drugs at all, more that you just took one after the other.
Another important thing is dosage.

In terms of dosage, should SWIM rather take half a cap of MDMA and a blotter of LSD (which he estimates is around 80ug) or a full cap and a full blotter seeing as in his experience, the stuff he gets is relatively low dosage but perfect for him.

[fnord]

if i was te type to use drugs,which im not.i would want to take them both at the same time so i would hopefully peak on both at the same time .just my opion on it though.seeing as i dont use drugs i wouldn't be able to really say

[Jatelka]

SWIJ takes the LSD first, and then at 2-3 hours takes the MDMA. For her, waiting longer to take the MDMA would mean her being too immersed with the LSD experience (and, frankly, not into the idea of anything else) and missing the window of opportunity.

For her, this timing means minimal nausea (always a possibility), it also means that the lovely MDMA rushes seem to occur at the peak of the LSD sensations.

She does not find that the two "fight" with this timing, rather, they seem to complement each other perfectly: The rushes set off thought explosions, which trigger more visuals (which seem very different to LSD alone), the visuals merge with the loved-upness and empathy, which cascade into more wonderful LSD-ness (plus 4), but with more "Ooomph".

She never feels tired/lethargic/braindead (to her, this would suggest too much MDMA). With this timing she literally fizzes with sensation and psychic energy (the occasional spontaneous orgasm is a bonus ).

She has found that taking both at the same time is more problematic: Nausea is a definite possibility, and it never seems to develop completely or to her complete satisfaction. The visuals aren't as strong or beautiful, and the empathy never seems to develop fully either.

Taking the LSD after the MDMA seems a no brainer to her. 2 hours into MDMA and she's all wrapped up in that feeling. Possibly one redose, and then a gentle slide into chilling with a spliff and cups of tea, and some nature documentaries is all that's called for.

Dose wise: SWIJ thinks that you have to go with what's comfortable. She tends to go with a couple of microdots/couple of blotters (trusted source, much field experience) then 150mg MDMA (Note this would be uncomfortable for many).

[shagra]

swim advocates dropping the 'cid first, reaching the peak and riding it, then at t+2h, flip it up!

[podge]

Swim would advise dropping the alice and waiting around 3 or 4 hours for the MDMA. Basically an LSD experience will start to peak after around 4 hours and will start to fizzle out after another 5 or 6 hours. Whereas an XTC experience will peak usually with 2 and half hours and fizzle out within another 2 or 3 hours.

Swim wouldnt want the MDMA crash to start happening while tripping on cid so thinks dosing both drugs so the peaks can synergize together and they can finish up at roughly the same time too is better for swim.

[sweetsweetmary]

the way to do it has been mentioned. There are two ways, only one that SWIM have tried. But taking both at the same time is a bad idea. It will just be a waste as the two will fight for SWIY brain. SWIY want one to peak then the other to peak. So MDMA then LSD 2 hours later is good, and LSD then MDMA 3-4 hours later is good. The key is to have one peak while the other is still going so they can synergize. If SWIY have heard bad stories it comes from bad timeing. This experience can be really nice. If SWIY take the LSD then the MDMA, take as much LSD as one thinks they can handle, then drop half of what SWIY would normally take to roll on LSD. AGain SWIY is looking for synergy, not two overwhelming peaks. Have fun.

[Sgt. Campbell]

LSD and MDMA is indescribable. Take the MDMA about four hours after the LSD, its really important that you do this otherwise you won’t get the real ‘candy flipping’ effect.

[rocksmokinmachine]

Taking MDMA and LSD can be an overwhelming feeling for some. Be careful. As mentioned above be sure to dose after SWIY feels like they have reached the 'peak' before dosing on MDMA. SWIY should be experienced with both substances before combining the two. I don't think this combination will pose any serious health risk.

Combining cocaine and LSD has the potential to cause a bad trip, or at least some very uncomfortable feelings. UTFSE to find the thread on this if SWIY is interested.

[humdroid]

My cat was at an outdoor event on mdma, and decided to experimint with acid for the first time. She split half a tab with a long haired siamese but after two hours, neither of them had come up. The siamese left and my cat went for a walk. Suddenly the acid came up but in a subtle way.
My cat was pleased but wondered if the mdma had slowed the onset.
My cat tried to describe acid, but everytime she found a word to describe the experience, a contradictory thought would come up. She made a Zen poem.

ACID
----
Acid isn't

[AdrenalineJunki]

swims best candyflip was take the acid, wait 30 mins then took 1 and a half BOMB rolls, started to feel the cid, then the mdma kicked in, and they came up together twisting around intensifying one another, and they both lasted 8 hours, couldnt feel one stop or dissapear, it was like one smooth ride. a faasssttt ride through air made of bunny fur with sounds like orgasms. ughhh love candyflip

[nnizzle]

My friend sent me an email and he wanted me to post this:

I have taken MDMA twice and LSD once. All fantastic experiences. I would very much like to take them together this week and go to an INFECTED FUCKING MUSHROOM concert. Anyway, I am not worried about MDMA dosage, I plan to take about 125-150mg, just a bit hesitant about the LSD dosage. I know that they go quite well together, but in other people's experience should a lower (ie less than "common") dose of LSD be taken? I have read in this thread and in other sources that one should take a higher (relative) dose of MDMA than LSD, I believe this is probably because too much LSD could completely override a smaller amount of MDMA. I only have one LSD experience, took two "tabs", but I didn't really break through as much as I had hoped. I believe that it was a lower than "common" dose of LSD, as I really did not have any noticeable OEV's and vision was not that significantly altered... I could have functioned perfectly well in nearly any situation2. Anyway, I realize my inexperience but I am quite comfortable with the state of my psyche and am not worried about anything going wrong, so please do not advice AGAINST the combination. Can anyone offer advice on whether to take 1 "tab" (ie a relatively low dose of LSD) or 2 "tabs" (ie enough LSD that it makes itself "painfully" [but definitely not painful] obvious). I know this is not an easy question to answer as everyone is different blah blah blah, and this has already been "answered", so perhaps advice based on similar personal experience rather than general consensus would be more appreciated.

Thanks to all who can help him!

[Gorgonzola]

General consensus is to lower the doses of both (take between 2/3 and 1/2 of the usual dose).
Now, in swim experience, the usual dose of both is just wonderful. However outside and crowded environment might be more difficult to handle with lsd. In the other hand two tabs seem manageable for your friend, so it should be ok.
If your friend wants to use more than two tabs of the same batch, he better try it before in a safe environment and at least four days before the concert.
Even if in swim experience it seems impossible to have a bad trip with this combination, it might be a good idea to have a sober friend at the concert.
Hope it helps.