Health - Isopropyl alcohol ( IPA / 2-Propanol ) - 99.9%+

[steve51184]

SWIM just wanted to know what type of alcohol is this and can SWIM drink it safely? (after it's been VERY VERY heavily diluted of course)

[fnord]

rofl... no its not drinkable in any way shape or form its rubbing alcohol even diluted its still posionus.its great for plant extractions.

if your that desperate i once saw a bum drinking Listerine?

[steve51184]

lol i was only asking as for 5L of the stuff it's make nice home made cocktales but i guess not

also what is Listerine?

[fnord]

mouthwash.

[steve51184]

ahhh yes of course lol

also does ALL mouthwash contain alcohol or just the good brands?

[bcubed]

Originally Posted by steve51184

ahhh yes of course lol

also does ALL mouthwash contain alcohol or just the good brands?

I believe all mouthwash contains ethyl alcohol because some of the ingredients don't dissolve all that well in straight H2O. I know they make special non-alcohol mouthwash for rehabs and such. If it has drinking alcohol, it'll say "ethanol" or "ethyl alcohol" or similar.

The problem is that many of the other ingredients in mouthwash are toxic. (I posted the specifics like 4 mo. ago).Granted, the mouthwash manufacturers know some drink their product, so you shouldn't be able to drink a fatal amount of the adulterants, but it's truly a "last resort" beverage.

If you need a booze fix w/o buying booze, try extracts (still pretty desperate) or learn the art of homebrewing.

[steve51184]

well pearl drops do and tescos so thanks fr the tip got another household drug tips?

[fnord]

you should be able to see it on the back of the lable under active ingrediants.i dont think this would be the healthiest option just to warn you.i dont think the menthol/whatever oil is good for you but im just gusseing.the lable should say ethanol or ethyl alcohol.

[fnord]

by extracts he means vanila cooking extract or something similar.

[Mint boi]

i thought mouthwash contained methanol alright, which deffinately isnt something anyone wants to drink.

EDIT: lol im a twat! i misread menthol for methanol! just disregard this!

[Psych0naut]

Please do not drink moutwash, DXM containing cough syrups also sometimes contain substances which aren't toxic in the medical dose, against cough, but can be lethal at tripping doses, like paracetamol or pseudo-ephedrine containing syrups. Manufacturers might do this with mouthwash as well.

[Boca Bitch]

Originally Posted by Psych0naut

Please do not drink moutwash, DXM containing cough syrups also sometimes contain substances which aren't toxic in the medical dose, against cough, but can be lethal at tripping doses, like paracetamol or pseudo-ephedrine containing syrups. Manufacturers might do this with mouthwash as well.

Um... that's why they separate 'active ingredients' (code for 'things that can kill you in high doses') and inactive (like water) on the label... mouthwash's only active ingredient is ethyl alcohol.

While I agree it's retarded to drink listerine to get drunk... nothing more will happen than perhaps a stomach ache from the menthol and nasty hang-over the next day.

[fnord]

Please do not drink moutwash,

that should go without saying... but people will do silly things even when they know the dangours.

[specimin]

I have quite a funny story about this stuff, when i was at school with the help of totse (turned out it wasnt doing me any favours!) i discovered peppermint flavouring contains isopropyl, me and some mates decided to give it a shot, after getting completly wasted we started flavouring it and selling it at school! Good times...

[fnord]

Originally Posted by specimin

I have quite a funny story about this stuff, when i was at school with the help of totse (turned out it wasnt doing me any favours!) i discovered peppermint flavouring contains isopropyl, me and some mates decided to give it a shot, after getting completly wasted we started flavouring it and selling it at school! Good times...

why were you selling people poison?

[fnord]

Originally Posted by specimin

I have quite a funny story about this stuff, when i was at school with the help of totse (turned out it wasnt doing me any favours!) i discovered peppermint flavouring contains isopropyl, me and some mates decided to give it a shot, after getting completly wasted we started flavouring it and selling it at school! Good times...

why were you selling people poison?


AHHHH!!! MY VIRGIN EARS!!

[specimin]

At this point in time it was just cheap and potent alcohol to us, we watered it down with water and put it in a bottle with some almond flavouring (marzipan ) if knew then what i do now i severely doubt i would do it. But its these things that make life interesting. Plus it payed for my fags!

[stimulerium]

Isn't methanol in antifreeze? I thought drinking it could make you feel intoxicated but then poisons you. (Turns into formaldehyde or something.)

[trptamene]

my grandfather was an alcoholic and a trucker...he used to drink cologne because of the alcohol content ( i dont think it has much/any alcohol any more)...also

he died in his early 40's due to liver failure....

please don't drink alcoholic mixtures like this...if one is that desperate they should look into fermentation.


antifreeze has ethylene glycol...methanol is poisnous and drinking it will make you go blind...i dont know if you would feel intoxicated but you certainly would be off baseline!

[hoodabudda]

peppermint extract is 90 percent eythl (drinking) alcohol not isopropyl. isoproyplyl gets converted to acetone after 2 hours in the body. acetone is used for paintstripper and nail polish remover so imagine what that would do to the lining of your heart brain and eyes. not good.

[bcubed]

Originally Posted by hoodabudda

peppermint extract is 90 percent eythl (drinking) alcohol not isopropyl. isoproyplyl gets converted to acetone after 2 hours in the body. acetone is used for paintstripper and nail polish remover so imagine what that would do to the lining of your heart brain and eyes. not good.

Would diasulfarim (antabuse) consumption result in elevated acetone (IPA) or formaldehyde (methanol) levels in the same way it elevates acetylaldehyde (ethanol) levels? Would someone on antabuse need to be very, very careful when working around a solvent like methanol?

[hoodabudda]

Originally Posted by bcubed

Would diasulfarim (antabuse) consumption result in elevated acetone (IPA) or formaldehyde (methanol) levels in the same way it elevates acetylaldehyde (ethanol) levels? Would someone on antabuse need to be very, very careful when working around a solvent like methanol?

swim isnt sure, but now that you brought it up there is alot of other drugs that interfere with blood alcohol levels. even zantac (ranitadine) and most of the the slow acting/non-chewable antacids all interfere with the cyp450(?) enzyme in the liver. some even raised blood alcohol levels by 38 percent when taken an hour before drinking. anyone know if acetone is metabolized by the same pathways as alcohol?

[Katisbeingsubversive]

Alright, first of all, no alcohol is drinkable if one wants 100% safety. Ethyl, methyl, and isopropyl alcohol are all poisons, and are not safe. Yes, ethyl alcohol is approved for human consumption, methyl and isopropyl are NOT. In fact, methyl can cause you to become blind very quickly. It is stupid to drink any of these substances, if we're actually trying to promote harm reduction.

However, it is a pet peeve of one of my friend's when people who do not have experience with a substance or who have not had a medical eduction tell other people that doing something is completely deadly without any other information. Swim feels it may cause people who have ignorantly ingested a substance to freak out and become afraid of judgment instead of taking necessary medical action if they feel they have caused themselves harm. This has happened to someone SWIM knows, so SWIM thinks complete disclosure is always the best policy.

First off, SWIM has studied isopropyl alcohol and has experienced its effects. Is it dangerous and toxic? YES. YES! Especially when one considers that the enzymes in the body that break isopropyl alcohol down actually turn it into acetone (nail polish remover) which is certainly toxic.

However, when swim's friend did drink this substance as a very young person, she did a lot of specific research on its affects and made sure to take a very small amount. Regardless, ethyl alcohol (drinkable liquor or beer) is safer, really cheap, and an all around better idea.


Some literature my friend wanted SWIM to post for educational purposes:

(SWIM hopes posting links to these sources of safety information is allowed, as SWIM believes it is after reading the rules.)

(Up to Date is a program used by just about every physician my friend is acquainted with.)

INTRODUCTION — Isopropyl alcohol (isopropanol, 2-propanol, propan-2-ol) is commonly used as a disinfectant, antifreeze, and solvent, and typically comprises 70 percent of "rubbing alcohol." People ingest isopropyl alcohol to become intoxicated (ie, ethanol substitute) or to harm themselves. When ingested, isopropyl alcohol functions primarily as a central nervous system (CNS) inebriant and depressant, and its toxicity and treatment resemble that of ethanol.
Fatality from isolated isopropyl alcohol toxicity is rare, but can result from injury due to inebriant effects, such as untreated coma with airway compromise, or rarely, cardiovascular depression and shock following massive ingestion. Supportive care can avert most morbidity and mortality. It is important to differentiate isopropyl alcohol from methanol and ethylene glycol, which are more dangerous. Isopropanol does NOT cause an elevated anion gap acidosis, retinal toxicity (as does methanol), or renal failure (as does ethylene glycol).
This topic review will discuss the diagnosis and management of isopropyl alcohol intoxication. A summary table to facilitate emergent management is provided. Discussions of other toxic alcohols and a general approach to the poisoned patient are found elsewhere.


PHARMACOLOGY AND TOXICOLOGY — Isopropyl alcohol is a sedative-hypnotic agent whose toxicity closely resembles that of ethanol, with which it shares strong structural similarity. Like ethanol, isopropyl alcohol's precise mechanism of action in the central nervous system (CNS) remains uncertain. Changes in membrane fluidity and/or function, and interactions with neurotransmitter receptors, are believed to account for the CNS effects of alcohols and other simple hydrocarbons. There is a linear relationship between the molecular weight of alcohols and their sedative effects: as size increases so does sedation. Thus, isopropyl alcohol is marginally more potent than ethanol at comparable concentrations.
In untreated animals, the median lethal dose lies between 4 and 8 g/kg. Many sources give an estimated lethal dose of 250 mL in humans (eg, less than 400 mL of a 70 percent solution). It is important to recognize that, with treatment, adults and children have survived much larger ingestions.


-UpToDate


According to swim's friend's research, 400 mL is about 13.5 ounces.


Wiki states that isopropyl alcohol is about twice-three times as potent and toxic as ethyl alcohol (regular alcohol sold for drinking purposes.)


In Swim's subjective experience, this is accurate. Swim's friend who has tried this is a 120 lb female who took three ounces (shots) of isopropyl rubbing alcohol. She knew that it was stupid and dangerous, and wants swim to tell you that she regrets this decision. She had a history of alcohol abuse, and tells swim that 3 ounces of 70% isopropyl rubbing alcohol felt, to her, like she had had about 10-12 ounces of 35-40% (70-80 proof) vodka or rum (ethyl alcohol). This alone should let you know it's probably a bad idea to mess with isopropyl.


She told SWIM that she had the smell of nail polish remover (acetone) in her lungs for far longer than the normal "alcohol" smell usually lasts when she has a large amount of normal ethyl alcohol, and it smelled very unnatural and 'chemically'.


This is NOT a promotion of this very dangerous activity, just a relation of a personal first hand account that swim's friend has asked her to post.


Swim apologizes (and agrees!) if anyone is offended by discussion of this activity.

Reputation Comments on this post:

Very interesting and pleasant to read, really good first post

[TheBadMan]

Propan-2-ol or isopropanol or isopropyl alcohol is also known as "rubbing alcohol."

SWIM suspects that you have been told that you can't drink it. This is important to keep in mind. Isopropanol is roughly considered twice as poisonous as ethyl alcohol (the kind of alcohol you can buy that is *intended* for consumption). Isopropanol does have similar intoxicating effects to ethyl alcohol, but SWIM does not recommend you drink it to get intoxicated - in fact, SWIM specifically advises you not to drink isopropanol to get drunk.

SWIM has drank upto an ounce or two of 99% isopropanol when used in certain extractions, hence the isopropanol was merely a carrier or solvent and was not drank with the intent of getting intoxicated from the alcohol.

[Stimulants]

In the US, isopropyl alcohol is not considered abusable/intoxicating alcohol, so it is not taxed.

Ethanol that is not denatured is subject to excise tax. The kind used in mouth wash makes it unpleasant enough to not want to drink and those are called specially denatured, like SD40 alcohol, however they can only be used for certain applications.

Other denatured alcohol, such as solvents and fuels are blended such that consumption is toxic, i.e. methanol or gasoline