no breakthrough...should SWIM try?

[bcubed]

SWIM has been using Salvia for the last 6mo or so. his usual dose is 0.2g of 10X, which usually takes him to "L" level. SWIM has entered "V" on one occasion, but seems unable to completely leave reality and get both feet in SallyLand.

He's beginning to wonder, however, if he should even try. Last night, for instance, he packed a full bowl of 10X. After the third drag+hold, however, he started believing he was being told "You're abusing the plant. If you persist, you won't like the results." So he stopped, and had a strong "L" level trip.

I guess SWIM would like the whole "reality disconnect" that many experience, but not if it would sour the whole lower-level experience for him. SWIM has never truly lost connection with reality on any drug, though DXM was the closest he came.

[fnord]

this is a question your going to have to ask your self.

[unsigned_char72]

SWIY should approach her differently without expecting "breaktrough" or being teleported into next universe. My advice is, let SWIY accept whatever comes from the exerience, even if anything at all. And let him meditate on the experiences and its possible meanings before going to meet the Lady again.

[Digemlo]

Something to make SWIM forget what he has been doing (hitting salvia) may help... perhaps a bit of weed?

[Salvinorin A]

Swim has had the same problem. Except 6months = two years for swim.

Always failure, some were definitely disconnected from reality (didn't know what anything was, but definitely wasn't somewhere else). It was annoying.

The first time swim sort of had a breakthrough was when he was on his bed, he felt like he was on a portal thing flying him somewhere, with patterns on his right side. And the comedown was slow, slowly did swim recognize the things in his room.

You know what did it? A higher dose. Ever since that, each trip was more powerful, but still not what swim wanted, and they were getting so repetitive (literally, there was a repetitive aspect to the trips, like voices), to the point that swim didn't want to do salvia anymore.

Until recently. Swim had a crappy dxm trip, and didn't know what to do, so he took some salvia....the experience was so beautiful that swim quit because he is dead sure that any further trip will not come close to that trip and only ruin its beauty. Why did this happen?

It's a mix of what the posts above were saying and dosage. Swim did have a mental blockade for all of the 2 years. Swim always expected something amazing, and never got it. It wasn't until swim had a crappy dxm trip (swim took dxm to get dissociated too btw, but at this point, swim didn't care what was going to happen anymore, because this was swinm's 9th attempt at dxm dissociation, which is very unhealthy) that swim took his normal (very high) dose, and then he had his flashback/object trip/out of body all in one.

Swim hates to say this, but up the dose if it's not working. That will disconnect swiy from reality for sure, swiy will probably not have a good trip. Swim thought he just wanted to break away from reality to have a good trip, it's not satisfying, it's too hectic. Swiy needs a peaceful mind origianlly to enjoy the disconnection.

Smoking the salvia is the most efficient and powerful way to get dissociation btw, unless swiy is super sensitive (swiy is not).

Hope this helps.
Sal-A

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[TMM]

One thing SWIM has noticed is a reverse tolerance over a few days with Salvia. He hasn't looked into this too much, but his two strongest trips have come on the same day as another trip and a couple of days after one respectively. SWIM would recommed taking a dose, then wating for a few hours, clearing one's head, then taking another.

[Euthanatos93420]

Swim's first experience was with about 2/3 of a gram of 40x. He experienced ego dissolution but isn't sure he went to Saliva SPace. Though He recounts a definate oneness with the universe/God/whathaveyou, time irrelivence, and visual irrelevance. Swim isn't quite sure wether or not he went to 'salvia space'.

Recently Swim procured a gram of 50x. His first usage took minimal amounts and a recap of the first experience seemed imminant but reality was quickly going to shit and he had to come down and deal with goings on some (insert explitive series here)es should have had respect for his trip.

So reorientation...Swim tried it again later that night under a very mild dose of DXM, lower 1st plataue roughly if that even. This was close but like his trip earlier that day he didn't seem to get near dissociation, and in fact remained more grounded than the previous attempt. Again with an attempt the next day and similar apparent futility.

Now, after reading this Swim has come to a few conclusions about Salvia.

1. The intuition the guy had seems kinda right. One wants to dissociate with Salvia one must do it right. One must respect the drug. Upping the dose doesn't mean 'abuse' however if one finds oneself sitting around chasing dissociation like a crack hit. Step back for a few months and go at it once. Full blow. Swim intends to put back the other half gram of 50x left in a series of three hits nad based on experience feels that should be well enough to achieve desired results. If not he'll sit on it a few months and try again later.

2. Expectations - Swim's inital experience was open minded. He had never tripped on anything before (except DXM but doesn't consider DXM a 'trip') and had an open mind. Now Swim new what to expect. Another hit in the previous situation would have porbably boosted him over the fence. However this 'failed jump' seems to have created a situation of perception and expectation of perception. Swim feels way to lucid while spinning. Swim's feels those around him demanding his attention while he was under salvia shook him to lucidity while he was letting go and breaking away. Now it seems Swim cannot let go of Lucidity.

Swim plans tio fix these problems by

1. Speaking to (explitive) and chiding him for his behavior after his invitation.

2. Waiting a fair amount of time to meditate on experiences and reset disposition and reopen mindset to new experiences.

Swim would like to convey his thanks to those who have posted here as their accounts have made Swim aware of the dysfunction of his last series of attempts. Perhaps his relation here will benefit others.