What to do in case of a Bad Trip

[Ninja Master]

the niacin just makes you itchy and hot. not pleasant on a bad
acid trip! you just gotta see someone else pimpin/chillen.
im seriously not kidding about tony montana and bad trips. one
good tony freak out makes a bad trip seem like ginger beer. if
you realy wanna terminate a crazy crazy trip your going to need heavy
tranqualizers that your only going to get from a hospital. beer
and milk both mellow me out on random freak outs. but dont rely
on beer alone since you can drink a ton of it when tripping!

[big-lester]

Originally Posted by scitech

Therefore, just convining yourself
your not having a bad trip

That's funny, when I feel it's not going very good I just deny that I'm
feeling bad, I just convince myself it's not happaning and it always
helps.



good to know



Edited by: big-lester

[bonghed]

IT's best to ride it out.


if ever too bad for you than get 50mg of valium (maybe 20mg if it's your first time) and a beer or glass of wine while waiting for vallies


if things get extreme there is something that when injected will kill a trip fairly shortly(used for this purpose in hospital) i can't remember the name and it's pretty rare though vallium will do the trick (diazepam is probably best)

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Benzos and booze= not a good idea, especially on a bad trip

[drugs-bunny]

thorazine, it is said that when someone completely freaks out and ends
up in the emergency room tripping balls, they give him/her sum
thorazine and that should completely terminate the trip

[Jatelka]

Originally Posted by drugs-bunny

thorazine, it is said that when someone completely freaks out and ends up in the emergency room tripping balls, they give him/her sum thorazine and that should completely terminate the trip

Do NOT, under any circumstances allow medics to give anyone you're with a major tranquiliser like Thorazine (or Haloperidol etc) if they're freaking out on acid. These just reduce motor agitation, and do nothing for the anxiety/freaky thoughts. So now you have someone who's having a hideous time on LSD and can't communicate their distress. Major tranquilisers also have problematic side effects (especially for younger people)of dyskinesia/dystonia(motor tics/abnormal movements), low blood-pressure leading to collapse and many others.


Link here


www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic3/chlorpromazine_ad.htm


Many of these only apply to long term use, but can happen with large doses given im (as often occurs in acute agitation): Would you want them?


The correct treatment for LSD freakout (if someone really needs medical attention) is benzodiazepines.


Peace X

[Grautr]

Originally Posted by Creeping Death

Would drums or monotonous rhythms/music make you trip more relaxed and calm?

I mean like for example a shaman drum or something, that just plays like "bom----bom----bom" at a slow and never changing rhythm.

thats a very good question and although I havnt tried it I would think yes it would help. You dont want to bang the drum (assuming you had one to hand) to slow though. Any shamen who use drums to achieve a trance typicaly use a BPM of between 190 and 220. This is quite fast, about the same speed as a gabber track or some German speedcore.

[Dumbnam]

with mind altering chemicals, I almost always found that sunglasses and the outdoors help. the sunglasses make you feel almost invisible and the outdoors remove much of the paranoia assosiated with civilization

[Dumbnam]

I have a perscription for thorozine. If one was to attempt to obtain one, all you would have to do is go to your doctor and say you get fits of hiccups that last hours. Once you obtain a script, you will be able to determine if your allergic to it

[Micklemouse]

Originally Posted by Dumbnam

I have a perscription for thorozine. If one was to attempt to obtain one, all you would have to do is go to your doctor and say you get fits of hiccups that last hours. Once you obtain a script, you will be able to determine if your allergic to it

By 'thorozine' I presume you mean thorazine, aka Largactil, aka Chlorpromazine, which is a Typical Antipsychotic, aka Major Tranquiliser, and which as Jatelka pointed out a while ago is the last thing you want to give to someone freaking out on a trip.

The side effects of these drugs are really quite grim and include agitation, restlessness (and I mean not being able to settle in one place. At all.), slurring of speech, locking of the muscles in the shoulders, wrists and neck, swelling, discolouration and protusion of the tongue, spasms in the facial muscles leading to painful lifting of the cheek bones and a very attractive rictus grin, almost uncontrollable rolling of the eyes and arching of the neck (oculogyric crisis - this can lead to permanent damage to the eyes, and is intensely painful) and some serious arching of the back. is a pretty good approximation of what a dystonic reaction can look like. Not pretty, not fun, not what you want when yer tripping!

You don't need a great deal of the medication in question to get one or more of the weird and not so wonderful reactions described (I've seen dystonic reactions from doses as low as 10mg chlorpromazine & 5mg Haloperidol), and tolerating one dose does not mean that you will tolerate another. The same effects, although not so common, can also be had from the newer Atypical Antipsychotics including Olanzepine, Risperidone and especially Abilify. If someone has taken an antipsychotic and experiences any of these effects, call an ambulance or get them to Casualty asap, telling the people you're dealing with exactly what they've taken, although possibly not mentioning the psychedelic in question! A quick dose af procyclidine or benxhexol usually does the trick.

So be careful kittlings. Antipsychotics are not toys or quick fixes.

As to what does work, that's as varied as the people who trip, and there are already most of the answers in this thread.

And as for 'getting back on the bike', first of all take a bit of time out and look at the issues that the bad trip bought up (or not if you feel they were nonsense!); think about your emotional, physical,spiritual state when the bad trip happened and learn from that - were you feeling run down, upset, stressed? If so you've learnt not to trip when these feelings are present (hopefully!), at least until you're more experienced and/or more Self aware and have learnt to put these things to one side or use the trip to usefully explore the issues - this can take a bit of practice, and is not recommended without a lot of work on one's Self before and after. Pay some serious attention to your set and setting, and, if possible, maybe have a well trusted sitter with you who can be trusted not to freak out, and who knows the drug and the taker well.

As with many things, expectation can play a huge part - if you expect bad things, they're more likely to happen. Try to go into your next trip with an open mind, and not worrying about whether you'll have a bad trip.

That said, bad trips can be incredibly cathartic and cleansing, a real learning experience when it comes to what the human psyche can handle. They can also be terrifying, damaging experiences that can leave deep and ppainful wounds that can take a long time to heal. If you find you're having regular bad trips, then maybe Alice is trying to tell you something.

Alice is a fine teacher and a fickle Lady - she may not want to dance with you. Listen to Her, and don't force the issue.

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A truly excellant post, containing fine harm reduction, medical and philosophical advice.

[tombstone]

Swim was thinking of having some valium on stand-by incase swim (or smim's friends) 2c-i trip goes bad. But is it dangerous to take valium wilst on 2c-i. Once swim had quite a few drinks the night after a 4-ho-dipt trip and had a very bad reaction.

[nanobrain]

Dumbnam, unless you are living somewhere in Bulgaralbanistanabad, you dont have a prescription for thorozine.

tombstone, benzos are ok for 2C-I anxiety, although during one bad 2C-I trip, xanax did nothing at all, it was like applying a bandaid to a corpse.

[FrankenChrist]

Stop tripping for a while. Do some good things with your life.

[bonghed]

Well in my experience in a "unhandable" (new word ppls) experience a strong opiate or benzo usually helps the most, although i always and will always advise to try and use your mind and ride shit throuugh, easier said than done i know, but maybe some things aren't for you then...

[GDxCAT]

when i come across negative thought loops on my trips i try to sit down and take deep breaths. i then put on the grateful dead (or shpongle) and start to dance untill all negativety is wiped out.

if that doesnt work than valium does.

[Hyperreal]

I call emergency services and say "I'm having a bad trip, send over a shaman at once!"

Seriously, though, Alfa is right, tying up someone on a bad trip is the exact opposite of what you should be doing. The ketamine was probably a good move

Equality, while it may be difficult to trip again after a bad trip, it can also be very therapeutic. Pretty much the only way to resolve a bad trip is to do it again, but make it good.

[RJeez]

I agree with boughed.Valium or any benzo will bring you straight down.Heroin doesn't bring you down the same,but it does make it more bearable.A strange combination is mushrooms and zimovane.Zimovane really seems to smooth out the trip without bringing you down too much,

[duncdunc68]

Fish keeps a tab of sub-lingual anti-psychotic close.

[duncdunc68]

Grace Slick sung about 'Feed your head' in Go Ask Alice. I've heard that researchers on LSD in the 50's never suffered a bad trip if they consumed alot of sugar beforehand(like a couple of pounds). Wikipedia also has some mention to sugar being used to alleviate/prevent a BT.

Here is a fascinating article by Dr. Bart Huges. He identified the theory of the brainblood/volume action and the subsequent correlation with blood sugar levels. He is also a self-trepanner, please read.

[machine_elf]

In SWIM's experience, Before doing any psychedelic you must be comfortable in letting go fo your ego, and everything you know to be real. NEVER resist. Submit to the power of the drug and learn from it. "Buy the ticket, Take the ride"

[Rev_K]

SWIM was once tripping with his girlfriend on there own. She started having a bad trip which set him off on a bad trip aswell.

Attempting to remmember things SWIM had heard about bad trips they moved to there bedroom (Familiar place) and to the bed (Just to lie down nothing else!).

Being in that surrounding helped a lot. They started talking about things and reassuring each other. After about 30 minutes they where laughing and having fun again.

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[wedge]

i was wondering weathor or not Zyprexa Olanzapine can put you too sleep while you are having a bad trip on LSA or LSD? i believe it is an anti-depressant, but im not sure.

anyway many thanks in advance for help

[Yellow_matter_custard]

If you can get it.. Thorazine

[Jeer]

Swim always has a benzo or two around in case of a psychological emergency when swim is trying powerful psychedelic

[machine_elf]

The ONLY necessary remedy for a bad trip is the wise words of the buddha.


Every human being is the author of his own health or disease.


The mind is everything. What you think you become.


The whole secret of existence is to have no fear. Never fear what will become of you, depend on no one. Only the moment you reject all help are you freed.


We are what we think. All that we are arises with our thoughts. With our thoughts, we make the world.


The secret of health for both mind and body is not to mourn for the past, worry about the future, or anticipate troubles, but to live in the present moment wisely and earnestly.



The list goes on. Believe me, it is a tried and tested method and works FAR better than numbing your soul with thorazine. The universe is in a constant state of flux, in the end everything will reach inertia (peace). Until then, there is nothing to fear but fear itself.

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Excellent temperament and wonderful message

[neokeoki]

i have used a B12 injection to kill a mushroom trip i donno if it work with other drugs but i donno. I order my B12 off the web from canada. also its great if use it before going out it good energy boost. for me anyway