Health - a koala befriended of my llama needs some advice: Bi-Polar Disorder and LSD

[ima-do-proprio-ser]

well,my llama met a koala on her trips through the inner-Australia,and this koala has a serie of emotional problems.
the koala has psychotic bipolarity
is that a real problem?
she really wants to take an acid

she takes two medicines,but I have the names only in portuguese:

"buprobiona e lamotrigina"


that's it
will someone elucidate this?
cheers

[Coconut]

Psychotic bipolarity? My advice: avoid LSD.

I could find very little on "buprobiona" but "lamotrigina" is Lamotrigine in English, which is an anti-convulsant drug used to treat bipolar disorder. There's a Wikipedia page on it.

LSD acts by greatly amplifying and distorting stimuli and senses. It also allows the user to see deep into their own mind - in a psychotic this is a very, very, very bad idea. For the koala's own wellbeing and the wellbeing of those around her, I would advise that your llama not let her anywhere near acid.

Maybe I'm being a little over-cautious but I don't think so. LSD could very well have a therapeutic effect on this koala but if things turn nasty, as I believe they would be likely to, they would turn extremely nasty.

[ima-do-proprio-ser]

well,thanks for the advice
the koala is very kean to some weed,she like drugs and non-ordinary consciousness.
will any drug which has some inner-look effects will be dangerous for her?

My llama would also appreciate to hear some words on "chemical" problems,if there are,on an hypothetical reaction between those medicines I mentioned,and xtc substances.


We cheer ya

[JDreaming]

"Buprobiona" sounds like it is probably Bupropion, a.k.a. Wellbutrin. If this is correct, your friend should know that this medicine lowers the seizure threshold and some people in the past who were on Wellbutrin, especially larger doses of it, and took acid have had seizures.

Bipolar and psychotic people are generally considered high risk for strong hallucinogens and it is not likely to be recommended. It helps some that your friend can handle her pot, but LSD is so different and so much more powerful of a compound it is impossible to tell if she could keep her cool.

Will drugs that cause people to look inside themselves be dangerous to your friend? Impossible to tell. The essence of psychedelic drugs is change: The introduction of radically new perspectives. When taken by a person with psychotic issues, it could help them discover the answer to their problems, or just as easily could cause psychosis to take full control and get much worse. At the least, I would recommend that if your friend insists on exploring with hallucinogenics, she starts with a weaker one. I'm a little afraid to recommend which since any of them could cause dangerous issues. But acid is really not for inexperienced explorers in general.

Reputation Comments on this post:

	Very well said.
	good advice

[ima-do-proprio-ser]

yes,I am aware of all of that concerning the "experience" itself
it's just that I don't know psychosis very well
and I really see her solving her inner issues with some hard core change of perspective and sense of liberty-power

I would really appreciate if you could recommend some other hallucinogen,cause I don't know that much about drugs;but if you don't want to,there's no problem at all,I'd understand perfectly.Anyway,thanks for the previous anser

[Coconut]

Other hallucinogens include psilocybin/psilocin (magic mushrooms), MDMA (ecstasy), mescaline (peyote) and salvia. Substances which can be mildly hallucinogenic at high doses include THC (cannabis) and alcohol.

Psychosis is generally defined a disconnection from what most people accept as being reality (not a bloodthirsty murderous rampage like Hollywood would want you to believe). The problem is that because the major hallucinogens are so strong, especially LSD, a psychotic person who has a bad trip could be seriously scarred for life.

[JDreaming]

I wouldn't quite consider MDMA to be psychedelic/hallucinogenic, although it has a similar sense of self-reflection and deep thought to it. It might have similar potential to make mental and emotional problems either better or worse.

Salvia, like acid, is definitely NOT for beginning psychedelic explorers or high-risk cases. The other two substances C0c0nut named, however, are good examples of psychedelics less powerful than acid.

[Coconut]

Hm.. I had heard some people report MDMA as sometimes mildly hallucinogenic. Could be wrong though, having never taken it.

[Perception Addict]

Swim's really hesitant to advocate any mind altering substances for a mentally ill individual, but swiy read up on the Shulgins' MDMA therapy, which I know a little about and find quite fascinating.

Swim would not necessarily say that shrooms or mescaline are less intense than LSD. That varies from person to person, as well as by the potency of each substance from one dose to the next (think poor distribution of acid on blotter paper, complicated variances from one type of mushroom to the next, etc.).

One final note, swim once wanted to halt an intense trip early and took an anti-psychotic drug. This makes swim believe that the hallucinogens that respond in this way cause whatever it is that the anti-psychotics stop. If swiy's friend has to take anti-psychotics when not tripping, think about how terrifying it might be for this person to not only be with out the meds, but then increase the strength of her state to an unknown degree.

p.s. Swiy says this person likes drugs and non-ordinary consciousness. What else has this person experimented with? That might help narrow down what she reacts well to.

[FuBai]

If the koala has bi-polar disorder, she should wait until she is in a manic state before taking LSD, or else her depression will turn the trip bad.

[Dalfir]

SWIM's friend did LSD while on MAOI anti-depressants and destroyed his mind. He now suffers from chronic paranoia. The acid essentially turned a controlled fire into a disaster. Be very careful!

SWIM is, however, very interested in a reading the report of a psychotic on LSD.

[eltimmy]

Well, Timothy Leary was reported to be a manic-depressive. Take that for what it's worth; the possibility of causing yourself some problems if your mood disorder interacts badly with the acid is Real. My opinion is that no one can really give you the answer here; you'll have to use your judgment and remember that these drugs aren't toys.

However: I believe lamotrigina is the American LAMICTAL, a mood stabilizer. The mood stabilizer lithium is reported to interact extremely dangerously with LSD, causing a massive increase in effect as well as seizures and blackouts. The other mood stabilizers are not related to lithium, but it's at least conceivable that they could have a similar effect. This has to be considered. I think taking LSD while taking a mood stabilizer is a Bad Idea.

[eltimmy]

>I would really appreciate if you could recommend some other hallucinogen,cause I don't know that much about drugs

SWIY should do some reading then. One could start with www.erowid.org

>n hypothetical reaction between those medicines I mentioned,and xtc substances.

I didn't see this at first. Ecstacy has a good chance of reacting dangerously with the bupropion; increasing the cardiovascular side effects, hyperthermia, etc. Don't do it.

[FuBai]

Look here for information on the interactions of hallucinogens and anti-depressants.

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Thanks for the informative link

[Matt The Funk]

SWIMS father was bipolar and acid + shrooms almost ALWAYS caused him to have bad trips. They also made him more psychotic then he already was. But for SWIM it doesn't seem to be as bad.

[~lostgurl~]

SWIM has no psychotic tendencies but is bipolar and has almost always found LSD and mushrooms induce bad trips, but has found ecstasy to be great for self reflection. But as advised above this may not be safe in combination with bupropion.

[BobTheGreat]

Originally Posted by FuBai

If the koala has bi-polar disorder, she should wait until she is in a manic state before taking LSD, or else her depression will turn the trip bad.

No offence to swiFB but this could be the worst advice swim has ever seen on this site. In a manic state ppl become more erratic(less thinking, more doing). This could lead to dire consiquences like thinking life is circular so if I kill myself, I will start all over leaving my problems behind. Unless swiy is in a stable mood AND with trusted friends, LSD should be avoided; Maybe even in ideal circumstances.

Reputation Comments on this post:

Good points, thanks for pointing this out.

[God_Albino]

swims been diagnosed with bipolar and schizophrenia, its not the trip thats bad its the couple days of psychosis and pure fear afterwards that will drive you to breaking point.

dont advise it, but if swiy goes there, get some benzos for the sake of ur life

[FuBai]

Originally Posted by BobTheGreat

No offence to swiFB but this could be the worst advice swim has ever seen on this site. In a manic state ppl become more erratic(less thinking, more doing). This could lead to dire consiquences like thinking life is circular so if I kill myself, I will start all over leaving my problems behind. Unless swiy is in a stable mood AND with trusted friends, LSD should be avoided; Maybe even in ideal circumstances.

Not really. It depends on the type of mania, which differs from individual to individual. Some people become charged with energy but become fractious, easily angered and out of control, in which case this is not a good idea, however other experience a more euphoric and uplifting experience, and there are all sorts of points in between. It depends, as always, on the individual and the intelligence and control the individual posses. Manic Depression is not a fulsome excuse or uncontrollable in its entirety, and simply different approaches in terms of thought patterns can elicit different results in people with the same sort of mania. The only stupid thing about my post was that I didn't say "remember drugs effect different people in different ways and this may not be as successful in you individual circumstance as it was for others."

[BobTheGreat]

Originally Posted by FuBai

Not really. It depends on the type of mania, which differs from individual to individual. Some people become charged with energy but become fractious, easily angered and out of control, in which case this is not a good idea, however other experience a more euphoric and uplifting experience, and there are all sorts of points in between. It depends, as always, on the individual and the intelligence and control the individual posses. Manic Depression is not a fulsome excuse or uncontrollable in its entirety, and simply different approaches in terms of thought patterns can elicit different results in people with the same sort of mania. The only stupid thing about my post was that I didn't say "remember drugs effect different people in different ways and this may not be as successful in you individual circumstance as it was for others."

Swim wasnt trying to insult swiy or swiyour intelligence. Swim would agree that it depends a lot on the individual but even in the euphoric and uplifting mood(this is basically what swim goes through) he acts without thinking kind of like being intoxicated or on benzos. Swim has mixed state bipolarity so he gets the worst of both worlds. In swim at least he finds the manic states much scarier than the depressive states because it is the only time he would act on the odd thoughts that pop into his head(and that is on the low end of the manic spectrum). Mixed with LSD either or these states could put bipolar swimmers in a lot of trouble.

Swim would like to retract the worst post statement(there are far worse ones). He would also like to apologize to swiF for more or less being a dick.

[Samadhi]

swim is a paranoid schizophrenic (it runs in his family) and swim successfully takes these substances... but swim is also a very practiced buddhist and has found that using these drugs as a gateway to open up the worst of his demons he can keep them at bay... most say swim is crazy for doing this but swim has not seen any problems with it. swim gets a very high GPA and is very well off in life. swim does not suggest that the particular afflicted person take LSD though... it can lead to some very very dark places without propler hold on the mind