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If you grow (anything) or are thinking of growing, be advised: BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU!



Ever since the late 70s, local law enforcement communities have been equipped with aerial spectral imaging systems that allow helicopters not only to take photos, but select particular photos based upon the color of light emission from specific vegetation.



Sunlight reflected off the leaves of a pot plant will emit a unique color on a spectral imaging screen. The chopper need only fly over your crop to determine the location & quantity of your prospective harvest.



Astronomers use the same technology to determine the chemical composition of stars, and their distance from our own galaxy.



Some states are even provided with extra funding (by way of federal tax dollars) to local law enforcement based upon how many plants they seize; eg. $1,000 per plant.



It’s a bureaucrats DREAM come TRUE!



So grow if you want, as much as you want, but just make sure you know how to watch your back!





http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/sp.../pot/pot2.html



http://www.okole.org/historical/green%20harvest/



http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/sp.../pot/pot1.html
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It is possible to buy special foil, to reduce the radiation of light. There is also equipment on the market that does not cause so much heat as normal lighting systems do.
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<blockquote>Originally posted by Alfa on 23 December 2003It is possible to buy special foil, to reduce the radiation of light. There is also equipment on the market that does not cause so much heat as normal lighting systems do.<hr></blockquote><hr>
True, though I would assume that to be more useful for indoor applications. Also, venting and circulating would go a long way to reduce the heat signature.



The system that I desribed is one that identifies chemical signatures as well.



Airborne digital multi-spectral imaging systems are low-cost tools for collection of digital imagery. It is widely employed for land management and monitoring applications.



Typically, a system consists of four digital cameras mounted on a platform adjacent to each other. Each camera’s lens is fitted with a filter that provides high spectral resolution. The four cameras are typically fitted with blue, green, red and near infra-red filters. Each camera collects and digitizes an image from a specific region of the spectrum.



The separate images (each containing specific data from different parts of the spectrum) can be overlapped in order to identify a particular color emission. Since emission of a particular color is indicative of a specific chemical (eg. THC), the system can be calibrated to identify specific kinds of plants by their chemical signature.



Like spotting an apple in a field of oranges, this system can spot your pot plants 1/2 a mile away without even seeing any or its physical characteristics. It just shows up as a color on the screen. Once the color is identified, a computer will sound an alert and direct the operator to that part of the screen where the color is emanating from.



Earlier models were FIXED systems with very limited applications. They were typically made to search for one specific range.



Newer systems have wider applications and can be calibrated to identify multiple elements that emit vastly different spectral signatures.



It kind of takes the "fun" out of growing.

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http://www.titangis.com/html/body_digital_imagery.html



http://www.ccrs.nrcan.gc.ca/ccrs/lea...pter2_7_e.html



http://www.sti-government.com/Optica...rms.html#VTUAV

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Re: Big Brother is Watching YOU!

HOLY SHIT!!!!!

Since I last posted this info, almost all the links have been disabled.

Folks, spectral imaging is the same type of technology that scientists use to determine the chemical composition of solar emissions from stars that are millions of light-years from Earth.

When you look at a rainbow, the color band varies based upon the different types of chemicals in the atmosphere. Using a prism-type filter, you can see rainbow-like spectrum when looking at stars through a telescope.

A larger blue band will indicate one sort of chemical, and a larger red band will indicate another kind of chemical, and so on.

As far as M/J detection is concerned, by using color filters over not just one, but an ARRAY of several digital cameras, this integrated spectral imaging system (mounted on a helicopter) can quickly and accurately detect THC.

If you know anyone who is even THINKING about outdoor growing, they should be made aware of this technology.

They have been using it here since the 1970's
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Re: Big Brother is Watching YOU!

Resurrected from the depths of the internet - the Titangis link (last cached by Wayback in March 2005)! The Okole link still works, all the rest are utterly dead & untracable...

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Multi-Spectral Digital Imagery Titan Identifies Illegal Crops for the US Department of State
Titan is supporting the Department of State and its prime contractor, DynCorp, with aerial eradication efforts to curtail the supply of drugs from foreign sources to the United States. We do this by providing aerial reconnaissance and identification of drug cultivation areas for spray mission planning. Titan's role in the program is to map regions in which eradication efforts are to take place. Primary activities include: Aerial Camera Operations, Geographic Information Systems (GIS), Remote Sensing Analysis, and IT support. These services are provided from our US offices with field operations based in Colombia and Bolivia. Operational areas have ranged from tropical rainforest to arid mountainous regions of South America. Imagery representative of 2.1 million hectares has been acquired since the beginning of the project. A secondary role has been to document and analyze the impact of the Department of State's eradication efforts, on a regular basis.

Titan's Multispectral Digital Imaging System
Titan employs two 8-bit multi-spectral digital imaging systems (MDIS) to meet project requirements. Using our ADAR 5500 and ADS SV4S2 imaging systems operated in a C208 Caravan airplane, Titan obtains up to five spectral bands within the range of 400nm and 1000nm. The primary bands utilized are the green, red, and Near InfraRed (NIR) portions of the light spectrum. These aerial systems are spectrally similar to the SPOT and IKONOS multi-spectral satellite imagery while having a higher spatial resolution between .5 meters to 1 meter.

MDIS Image Interpretation and Analysis
Titan uses ERDAS Imagine and ESRI ArcGIS software to post-process the imagery and produce its vegetative classifications. Interpreting distinguishable signatures of digital electromagnetic radiation, Titan identifies wavelengths and the intensity of reflected energy to make very accurate assessments regarding crop type, size, and status. Once identified, Titan develops custom maps that delineate appropriate spraying areas for eradication. Additionally, custom software has been written by Titan for use by DynCorp personnel in the planning stages of a mission.

Titan MDIS Solutions Can Support US Agricultural Market Analysis
In addition to identifying of illegal crops, Titan's MDIS technology supports agricultural market analysis, drought effect studies, and farm crop subsidy determinations. By examining vast areas of cultivated land concurrently, information such as crop type, size, chemical stress, and nutrient runoff can be determined for areas as large as a county or as small as an individual farmstead. Combining this technology with on-the-ground plant and soil analysis creates the ability to quickly identify large scale production issues and mitigate damages through small scale interventions, such as spot nutrient additions or subtractions.
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Re: Big Brother is Watching YOU!

SWIM, in a fit of boredom yesterday evening, was watching some discovery channel special on "Future Weapons". Unmanned high-flying aircraft (which can also carry explosive payloads) are normally used in combat missions to identify enemy combatants from a remote distance, and cannot be seen from the ground. The sensors and cameras are so effective that they can spot footprints in the ground, and identify the number of people in a given vehicle. Its not much of a stretch of the imagination to think that the government could conceivably use these aircraft domestically to catch drug runners and pot growers. In fact, they may be already be put to such purposes.
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The robot-plane plane spots the pot plants. The robot-police come take you to jail. The robot-judge convicts you with the robot-jury. The robot-doctor corrects the problem with a new chip in your brain. Now get back to work at the robot-factory and make more robots!

The refractice-index is what is used as the key to identifying pot-plants. Not THC directly. But close. So if you could identify this absorbtion spectrum and make a paint matching said, you could make it appear that pot-plants were racing down the highways and invading cities & towns! Eeeeeeeeek!! Attack of the Killer-Cannabis!
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swim is in an astronomical spectroscopy class this semester, so all of this stuff rings a haunting bell. he knew spectroscopes were used in astronomy and in substance identification, but he didn't consider how plants would reflect different absorption lines based on their chemical content.

by the way, nagognog, i was under the impression that the only way to match the spectrum would be to have the exact same chemical make-up. in other words, in order to create a paint that is "seen" as a cannabis plant, wouldn't one need to actually mix either the cannabis plant itself or the chemicals that are found in the cannabis plant into the paint??
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Re: Big Brother is Watching YOU!

Hey there! I have a couple spectroscopes for astronomy! They fit over the eyepieces and give you beautiful lines and spectra. Fun! To your point:

I didn't say it would be easy! LOL! It would depend on how refined the detectors are, and how tight you need to be to avoid a false-positive reading. Like they get from using cobalt thiocyanate, say, for detecting everything from methamphetamine to a dust-bunny under the 'fridge.

Make for a good Phd thesis.
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I wonder what they do with the weed that's left over from the chemical analysis.....
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Send it off to the Chewy-Boy Dog-Toy Company. Where it's added to the Rodney King-shaped chew-toy for police-dogs. Now hemp-flavored!
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SWIM, in a fit of boredom yesterday evening, was watching some discovery channel special on "Future Weapons". Unmanned high-flying aircraft (which can also carry explosive payloads) are normally used in combat missions to identify enemy combatants from a remote distance, and cannot be seen from the ground. The sensors and cameras are so effective that they can spot footprints in the ground, and identify the number of people in a given vehicle. Its not much of a stretch of the imagination to think that the government could conceivably use these aircraft domestically to catch drug runners and pot growers. In fact, they may be already be put to such purposes.
At Atlus air force base in southwesten OK, them drones are hard at work. Looking for any illegal activies. A old buddy got caught stealing ammonia from a farmer.
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Hey Kids,

Here's an update for you:


If you want to find out more about current applications for spectral imaging systems (most of which go far beyond drug detection), then check out this link to Discovery Channel program titled "Faces of Earth".

You'll find information on spectral imaging in the third episode titled "Building the Planet".

You will see what a spectral imaging system is, learn how it is deployed, and see it used in applications outside of drug detection.

http://shopping.discovery.com/product-65967.html

It's cool stuff.

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Re: Big Brother is Watching YOU!

Iam not quite sure what to make of this thread... spectral imaging systems? Sounds scary prospect that the police are looking at the colour of the light through your roof! But makes me wonder why they would use such technology as thermal imaging equipment is normally on police helicopters anyway to catch absconding suspects. Surely the cost of such extra equipment would be massive compaired to the the number of growers they would catch who were using thermal insallation to avoid the thermal camaras.
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Yeah whenever they come up with technology to catch you people come up with technology to circumvent their technology.
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Yeah whenever they come up with technology to catch you people come up with technology to circumvent their technology.
SWIM is thankful that no technology is flawless for this very reason.
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I know people who went into the business of designing this shit for just this reason: To make it FAR from idiot(fascist)-proof.

We need more designers on the people's side.
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Its a good thing the Nibblers getting into electrical engineering then isn't it. Even if the Nibbler gets hired by the scum implementing this technology he'll keep good people such as yourselves up to date and leak out the flaws and vulnerabilities in these devices of theirs.
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Bump-

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If you know anyone who is even THINKING about outdoor growing, they should be made aware of this technology.
Outdoor marijuana grow-ops, yes. I posted a thread not too long ago about indoor grow-ops, and although many law enforcement agencies possess this technology they must first obtain a warrant to search a home before any spectral imaging of said home occurs, if I am not mistaken.

Outdoor marijuana grow-ops are fair game.
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Outdoor marijuana grow-ops, yes. I posted a thread not too long ago about indoor grow-ops, and although many law enforcement agencies possess this technology they must first obtain a warrant to search a home before any spectral imaging of said home occurs, if I am not mistaken.

NOPE!

They've been flying the sky's over the Bid Island for more than 30 years. I posted SIX LINKS in my opening posts, and NONE of them remain operational.

They've ALL been shut down!

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Who does that?

Why would they WANT to do something like that?

Who has THAT kind of power?


If I had to guess, I would have to say that the US Government does not want people to know about the narcotic-detection applications of this kind of technology .
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The Federal government does NOT need a search warrant to use spectral imaging systems in search of drugs.

In fact, an infra-red spectral signature showing heat coming from your house may be all that's necessary to subpoena records of your electrical and sewage usage.

If records of your sewage & electrical use reflect a profile consistent indoor marijuana growing, it will probably be enough to justify issuing a search warrant for the entire property, which may include whatever you might be suspected of hiding up your ass.

So basically, LE is climbing the ladder of probable cause; using one probability for search to justify a further search, and then another more extensive search after that.

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So they've found yet another technological advancement that lets them throw people in jail for pot possession. Just what America needs, ya know, considering America has the highest percentage of their population behind bars already. Land of the free? Not by that standard.
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