Adderall vs. Methamphetamine

[laws0n]

SWIM has been using Adderall for over 3 years now on and off. His friend has ADD and has been giving Adderall to SWIM. Adderall helps SWIM be more productive and SWIM is actually interested in what he is doing while he is on Adderall weither it be at school, at work, cleaning my room ect. SWIM likes Adderall because it helps him make the boring things in life more interesting.

SWIM takes around 80mg a week (4 20mg's) and can quit for weeks if he wants to.

Now that the background story is done SWIM has been telling his friends about Adderall after 3 years of keeping it secret. SWIM's friends keep telling him that Adderall is basically Meth given to kids with ADD and ADHD. SWIM argues that it is a pharm quality substance and Meth is made in a home made lab illegally and is alot stronger and more unpredictable.

SWIM's question is how closley related is Adderall to Meth chemically and how safe is it compared to Meth?

[methMADMAN]

Adderal is about 1/3 (approx) as stong as meth. The rush is not near as intense, and the comedown not near as hellish. Adderall is childsplay compared to meth. Adderall is far safer. Most meth is actually producesd in fairly much professional style factories in mexico, but the dealers on this end sometimes cut it. Do not be fooled to think that because swiy can handle adderal, that it is any indication of how swiy would hanldle meth, it is not.

[fnord]

well first of id like to say IMHO just because something is synthesised in a home lab dosent mean its dirty/unsafe,most REAL chemists are quite anal about makeing the cleanist purest substance they can,there creataion is there child.kinda like a painter wouldent paint below his skill level without hating his painting right?

adderall is a mix of a few diffrent amphetamine salts:
Specifically, Adderall XR is composed of the following proportions of active ingredients:

• 1/4 dextroamphetamine saccharate
• 1/4 dextroamphetamine sulfate
• 1/4 aspartate (racemic d/l-amphetamine)
• 1/4 sulfate (racemic d/l-amphetamine)

these are all different forms of amphetamine.not all of these are metabloized at once,they all have different rates at which your body metabolizes them kinda like a ¨natural¨time relese not counting the pills own built in tim relese.side effects of adderall include but are not limited to:
Side effects in adolescents

• loss of appetite[7]
• difficulty falling asleep[7]
• headache[7]
• stomachache[7]
• weight loss[7]
• irritability while "coming down"

[edit] Side effects in adults

• dry mouth[7]
• loss of appetite[7]
• difficulty falling asleep[7]
• headache[7]
• weight loss[7]

[edit] Side effects in overdose

• death
• heart valve damage[citation needed]

These symptoms require immediate medical assistance:

• symptoms of tourettism[8]
• aggression[7]
• symptoms of depression[7]
• seizures or abnormal EEGs[7]
• high blood pressure[7]
• swelling of hands/feet/ankles (notice for example finger tips getting numb)
• delusions
• sweating
• vomiting
• Dehydration
• Unexplained muscle pain
• Shrinking of the penis

aderall is especially dangourus uf you have any sort of heart problems,its best to have your doctor check you out to make sure you dont have a heart murmer or other problem.

now on to methamphetamines side effects:
Range of Effects

Common immediate side effects.:[20]

• Euphoria
• Increased energy and attentiveness
• Diarrhea, nausea
• Excessive sweating
• Loss of appetite, insomnia, tremor, jaw-clenching (Bruxism)
• Agitation, compulsive fascination with repetitive tasks (Punding)
• Talkativeness, irritability, panic attacks
• Increased libido
• Dilated pupils

Side effects associated with chronic use:

• Drug craving
• Weight loss
• Withdrawal-related depression and anhedonia
• Rapid tooth decay ("meth mouth")
• Amphetamine psychosis, mainly due to sleep deprivation

Side effects associated with overdose:

• Brain damage/ Meningitis caused by lead poisoning (Neurotoxicity)
• Formication (sensation of flesh crawling with bugs, with possible associated compulsive picking and infecting sores)
• Paranoia, delusions, hallucinations, which may trigger a tension headache.
• Rhabdomyolysis (Muscle breakdown) which leads to Kidney failure

while the effects from meth are alot worse you need to understand that the majority of problems with meth are tweekers who dont want to stop useing,IMHO 99%of meth related problems come from prolonged use and could easily be prevented if users just had more will power or self control.

heres the facts you are free to draw your own conclusion.

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[eltimmy]

>Adderal is about 1/3 (approx) as stong as meth. The rush is not near as intense, and the comedown not near as hellish. Adderall is childsplay compared to meth. Adderall is far safer.

This is dosage-dependent. Most people who take desoxyn (pharmaceutical d-methamphetamine) as prescribed find that it has much fewer side effects and a milder rebound as compared to effect than other forms of amphetamine.

[eltimmy]

>SWIM argues that it is a pharm quality substance and Meth is made in a home made lab illegally and is alot stronger and more unpredictable.

Any street drug is unpredictable and has a greater chance of impurity compared to a pharmaceutical product -- this is a consequence of illegality. As for your question, euphoric, recreational use MUST be distinguished from therapeutic use in these regards. Seeking a high from stimulants is simply not the same as seeking a therapeutic effect from them, and due to issues of tolerance it is fairly futile to try and do both.

[fnord]

i should clarify what i said about clean substances made in home labs,while the chemist might make the purest thing in the world besides gods urine,the street dealer will cut it.
people who make dirty shit or cut it before selling it arnt chemists there greedy cooks.

[catzx4]

swim was able to try some Adderall xr-30 and told me that they were able to get 4 good doses out of each capsule. alas, swim has not been able to find any for a long time. swim would like to get a script from their doctor but wonders how to approach the issue. swim has been on prozac for years but thinks it's time for a change of meds. swim needs motivation as opposed to sedation. if anyone has some advice for swim on how to talk to their doctor i'll pass the info along. thanks in advance for your help. meow, catz.

[laws0n]

First of all Thank you all very much for your help you definently answered my questions. SWIM wants to clarify that he will never touch Meth and has no appeal to him. He just thinks its unfair how Adderall is steriotyped with Meth.

As for the post above there are several threads about getting a script for Adderall. Since Adderall is a Schedule II Drug it will be very hard to get a script. SWIM's friends had to go to specialists that deal with ADD, take a bunch of tests and go through alot of other stuff. Unless you actually need SWIM recomends that SWIY wouldnt waste their time faking ADD or ADHD.

[Swimster]

well.... swim wanted to know the relation, which there IS.

here:
chemically...

amphetamine(IN adderal) Molecule


meth -amphetamine(IN desoxyn)

Amphetamine is the real substance that is in adderal, methamphetamine is in desoxyn.

Methamphetamine is simply amphetamine(found in adderal) with a 'Methyl'(Meth) group added to the end of it. Hence the name similarity! If you look at the two molecules, pay attention to the line at the end of the N (nitrogen).

SO, they are REAL similar in molecular structure, although they have distinguishable potencys on humans!

NOTE: these two molecule images were gathered online, and please don't be confused by the squiggle line on the first molecule, as it is the same as the second(thick line).

[catzx4]

well, swim thought it was a longshot but what better place to ask. swim says to thank you for your help and will continue to look thru threads.

[Swimster]

Dont be shy! This is what this forum is for. Ask away.

good luck

~swimster

[Donmeka]

SWIM just witched to 5mg desoxyn (Methamphetamine HCL) 1-2 2x daily so 5-20mg a day from adderall (Mixed Amphetamine Salts) IR 20mg 2x daily but it made swim uneasy a lot so he would usually only take 10-20mg instead of the 20-40mg the doctor says to take. which is part of the reason he switched to desoxyn.

its his first day and he insufflated 10mg of desoxyn and took 2mg of xanax (alprazolam) and before the alprazolam he felt it instantly and was great. he didnt feel the raised heart rate like adderall did to him and its just a new calm good feeling. plus the alprazolam just made it better

Desoxyn > Adderall ISHO

[laws0n]

SWIM is also wondering how addicting Adderall is compared to Meth and other uppers that arent pharms such as cocaine. SWIM will never try these but if Adderall is as addicting as those then he feels like he could quit those also at any given time.

[fnord]

addiction all depends on the person,ive seen people adicted to clonipin or vicodin two relitivly week drugs.

[JaWill88]

when someone gets an equivelant dose of amphetamine or methamphetamine and takes it orally they really are very similar. they are practically the same drug. the only difference there really seems to be is meth hits harder and stronger. thats it. just like morphine to heroin(diacetylmorphine) there are really pretty much the same. one really isnt much more addictive than the other being they are almost the same just better onset. swim has smoked, eaten, snorted and IVed meth many times. swim has also snorted eaten and IVed adderall. when mainlining meth or adderall they both feel almost the same. IV meth does feel a little better. its a little quicker and a little stronger but still almost the same. don't be fooled by anyone saying they are way different and adderall is way more addictive they can both ruin your life.

[JaWill88]

also swim has known people who enjoy adderall much more and find it more euphoric than methamphetamine.

[methMADMAN]

Originally Posted by fnord

addiction all depends on the person,ive seen people adicted to clonipin or vicodin two relitivly week drugs.

Now that's absolutely untrue. Vicodin is an opiate, and yes it is one of the milder opiates, but it is just as capable of making a person dopesick if they quit after long term use as heroin is. Klonopin (clonazepam) is physically addictive to the point that quitting cold turkey can be fatal! I'd hardly call that a weak drug. Perhaps swiy should know what swiy is talkingabout before swit posts false information as if it were fact!

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[fnord]

well compared to ¨real¨ opiates vicodin is very week,when swim was shooting dope the only time he would even touch a vicodin is if he was sick and had more then 20mg.clonopin is also week IMHO yes it can kill you when your detoxing and yes daily use leads to addiction but the point i was trying to make is you hardly ever here of a vicodin junky sometimes you find benzo junkys but i was using it as an example of how people could get addicted to anything if they are week enough.control requires strength,if one is mentally week they could get addicted to anything.

[Donmeka]

Originally Posted by fnord

if one is mentally week they could get addicted to anything.

QFT!!!

SWIM has been touching opiates for years and cant remember the last time he even thought of a vicodin lol but has seen a SWIMMer or 2 become addicted t those babies for a while and drinking while at it. sooner or later they learned either from stomach pains that would be extremely painful or withdrawls would set in and they'd go o shit

[Codehead]

Meth hits stronger, faster and last longer than amphetamine. These are the main differences.

[Swimster]

swim knows people who believe that amp is stronger than It's Methyl relative.

if swiys think about it, dont try and compare a common oral addministration of Amphetamine to smokeing methamphetamine, because adderal is usually how people obtain amphetamine, an they will snort or swallow it, but how often is amphetamine smoked?

while methamphetamine is wildly smoked.

...not to say i believe amp is stronger, swim dont know.

[Graduisic]

both substances are equally dangerous if abused. swimster is right about the difference between dosing either substance. keep in mind that adderall xr is a mix of 4 amphetamine salts as fnord said. both substances are capable of frying the heart or worse. the main difference is one is the biggest 'war on drugs' and the other, is a prescription

[Swimster]

^^ errr.... methamphetamine is available for prescription too! (DESOXYN).

swim knows many people who litterally trade their oral desoxyn for adderal(weird)

[izzy31]

its much more quality-garanteed


chemically, its not quite as strong as meth

[TheFonz]

The addition of the methyl group makes the molecule more lipophillic (increasing its bioavailability), meaning it gets absorbed better by the body and is more efficient/potent over all.....