Oral use - Kratom preparation for comsumption

[testodan]

I know this subject is being discussed several times here.
The most used method is tea.Some people say heat,destroy the alkaliods of Kratom.Others prefer to capsulized.Recently read some posts that the stomach leaves undigested them.Others suggest to consume it with apple sauce or honey and even just hot ,not boiling water and drink all the stuff.
Me use the tea-boil for 15 mins on low temp stir and reboil another 15mins.
What's the best method?since is too expencive and i do like this stuff i do not want to loose anything from it.
I have to mention when preperate my tea i add a little wine or any alclhol drink plus lemon juice cause I heard that 'help' with its alkaloids.
what dou you think aboout this?
To make it short my questions are;
1.What's the best way to consume kratom,don't care about the time to kick in
just to absorb as many alkaloids as i can.
2.adding alcohol and lemon juice in my tea ,helps for more alkaloids than straight water?
Please answer.
Thanks.

[Br00klynB0y87]

Originally Posted by testodan

1.What's the best way to consume kratom,don't care about the time to kick in just to absorb as many alkaloids as i can.

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37961

Originally Posted by testodan

2.adding alcohol and lemon juice in my tea ,helps for more alkaloids than straight water?

No, however it may help mask the taste to some extent. EDIT:...Actually on 2nd thought; Alcohol can be used during the extraction process and is used to make certain resins. Swim however find a water extraction more then useful and finds no reason to use alcohol.

.peace.

[testodan]

Originally Posted by Br00klynB0y87

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37961



No, however it may help mask the taste to some extent. EDIT:...Actually on 2nd thought; Alcohol can be used during the extraction process and is used to make certain resins. Swim however find a water extraction more then useful and finds no reason to use alcohol.

.peace.

MY kratom comes on a finely powdered form.Do not know if is Super ,prenium ,commercial etc. though

[Br00klynB0y87]

Originally Posted by testodan

MY kratom comes on a finely powdered form.Do not know if is Super ,prenium ,commercial etc. though

I would seriously reconsider my vendor if I was you. Why would you buy Kratom and spend a certain amount of money when you are given no indication of what type of Kratom it is? That just makes no sense.

[testodan]

Originally Posted by Br00klynB0y87

I would seriously reconsider my vendor if I was you. Why would you buy Kratom and spend a certain amount of money when you are given no indication of what type of Kratom it is? That just makes no sense.

It says excellent quality finely powdered from Bali.I have purchase Commercial before coming with the same color but this i am referring now is more finely powdered.
Anyway are you sure that the heat doesn't destroy the kratom's alkaloids?
If i capsulized it taking the same amount,possibly cause i won't have the time to prepare the tea,capsules will work?Mean that the stomach can absorb all the goodies?
Thanks.
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[Br00klynB0y87]

Originally Posted by testodan

Anyway are you sure that the heat doesn't destroy the kratom's alkaloids?

The temperature you are using to boil the Kratom should not degrade the Kratom's potency (alkaloids) atleast not enough that it would matter. Swim has made Kratom tea many times w/ only the best results, not to mention that Kratom traditionally was prepared/ingested by brewing tea made from fresh leaves, that as well as chewing the leaves were quite a common method.

Originally Posted by testodan

If i capsulized it taking the same amount,possibly cause i won't have the time to prepare the tea,capsules will work?Mean that the stomach can absorb all the goodies?

Ofcourse it will work. What ever method you use, as long as you are ingesting the Kratom into your system will work.

The only reason why swim is a firm believer of making tea is because you can boil your dose down to a tolerable amount and do not have to drink all powder. However if swiy has little to no tolerance then powder works just fine and will work just as well as any other method.

.peace.

[radiometer]

Originally Posted by Br00klynB0y87

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37961
No, however it may help mask the taste to some extent....

Acidifying the water with lemon juice most certainly DOES aid in the water extraction of alkaloids. How much so, for kratom? I doubt the question has been seriously addressed. SWIM uses lemon juice during the 2nd extraction when he makes kratom tea.

[Br00klynB0y87]

^^^

Swim use to add a squirt of lemon to his tea to help with the bitterness. I quess the lemon would help extraction to some degree since the lemon juice would acidify the mix however I don't think it would make a huge difference as far as the final product (alkaloid content) is concerned since swim has not noticed much difference when using lemon and not.

[enquirewithin]

Quote:
Originally Posted by testodan
If i capsulized it taking the same amount,possibly cause i won't have the time to prepare the tea,capsules will work?Mean that the stomach can absorb all the goodies?

Ofcourse it will work. What ever method you use, as long as you are ingesting the Kratom into your system will work.

The only reason why swim is a firm believer of making tea is because you can boil your does down to a tolerable amount and do not have to drink all powder. However if swiy has little to no tolerance then powder works just fine and will work just as well as any other method.

Many experienced kratom users say that powdered kratom in water (not boiled) -- or capsulized-- works best-- powdered so the stomach can digest it better. Some people find tea more palatable, but it is less cost effective. My budgerigar hates the taste of kratom in any form, so eats capsules instead. Each '00' gel cap contains 0.5g or more, so you don't need that many.

Murple's kratom article is worth reading.

[Br00klynB0y87]

Originally Posted by enquirewithin

Many experienced kratom users say that powdered kratom in water (not boiled) -- or capsulized-- works best, Some people find tea more palatable, but it is less cost efficient. My budgerigar hates the taste of kratom in any form, so eats capsules instead.

Capsuling Kratom in swims opinion is a waste of ones time. If your going to capsule your Kratom it would make sense to use a very high potency Kratom and I definitely don't mean an extract (10X, 15X and so-on) instead an enhanced Bali, Thai or Malaysia that or the Ultra Enhanced Indo.

The taste is not THAT bad (just a bit bitter) or so swim claims. It definitely takes some getting use to and over time it becomes and acquired taste. The taste however is significantly reduced when you brew your own tea since you can get away with lowering the volume of the liquid while still dosing HIGH. For example 15grams of Bali which is reduced to the volume of that of a shot glass, quick and painless.

[enquirewithin]

Originally Posted by Br00klynB0y87

Capsuling Kratom in swims opinion is a waste of ones time. If your going to capsule your Kratom it would make sense to use a very high potency Kratom and I definitely don't mean an extract (10X, 15X and so-on) instead an enhanced Bali, Thai or Malaysia that or the Ultra Enhanced Indo.

The taste is not THAT bad (just a bit bitter) or so swim claims. It definitely takes some getting use to and over time it becomes and acquired taste. The taste however is significantly reduced when you brew your own tea since you can get away with lowering the volume of the liquid while still dosing HIGH. For example 15grams of Bali which is reduced to the volume of that of a shot glass, quick and painless.

But you will lose a lot of potency anyway. capsuling is OK with any strength kratom, but it needs to be finely ground. If it's weaker, eat more capsules! '15x' is a bit of a vendor's myth.

[Br00klynB0y87]

Originally Posted by enquirewithin

Each '00' gel cap contains 0.5g or more, so you don't need that many.

That's twenty '00' capsules! and just to achieve a 10gram dose of Kratom, which to me seems like alot of gelatin to swallow, not to mention that a standard dose for swim is 15gram, 20grams for a high dose.

In the end I guess it all comes down to a matter of preference however swim personally finds capsuling Kratom and having to take this many pills annoying and unnecessary.

Originally Posted by enquirewithin

But you will lose a lot of potency anyway.

Would you care to elaborate how brewing a tea, or shall I say; how will boiling water lead to lose of potency? I have never seen any evidence of this being so, instead swim only has experience through experimenting and has noticed no real difference between methods.

.peace.

[enquirewithin]

Originally Posted by Br00klynB0y87

That's twenty '00' capsules!....
Would you care to elaborate how brewing a tea, or shall I say; how will boiling water lead to lose of potency? I have never seen any evidence of this being so, instead swim only has experience through experimenting and has noticed no real difference between methods.

.peace.

Well, you get more than 0.5 in most caps, but, yes, it's a lot of pills. (SWIM rarely takes 10 g anyway.)

When you make tea, there is waste, just like a normal cup of tea. When you swallow the stuff (probably most effectively simply swallowing the powder in water), there is none.

[radiometer]

I don't think it makes a huge difference, either. I was just mentioning it for factual correctness.

[Ximot]

Would it make any sense to add half a teaspoonful of soda bicarbonate to the tea as it is boiling in order to alkalise it so the alkaloids can be better extracted? Or is this counterproductive and something acidic is required? I am no chembuff at all, and I know lemon/lime is acidic but has an alkalising effect nonetheless.

my reason for asking is that adding lemon to coca leaf powder seems to make the tea stronger, and adding a bit of soda bicarbonate seems to have a similar effect...

[pixplzthx]

So, am I reading correctly that the best "bang for your buck", comes from regular leafs?

And am I also seeing that 10x/15x/20x extractions are just some kind of "voodoo" marketing?

Also, it looks like interested parties should purchase UEI or PNG kratom?

Thanks

[Japan Four]

swim is always taken aback by the capsules not dissolving story. At any rate, swim just parachutes it in one ply toilet paper or kitchen roll. One can put as much as you can swallow in each parcel so it really saves on the swallowing part. A bit of water to wash them down and it's fine. Swim is still in the 'disliking the taste of kratom' stage so he chooses not to toss and wash or even make the one shot tea. It is as effective as powdered kratom is always and of course you can save a pound or two on capsules

[Br00klynB0y87]

^^^
And where did you hear this "capsule not dissolving story" The capsules definitely dissolve, there made of gelatin which is also used to cap certain medicines and vitamins. They even sell vegetarian capsules which I'm thinking about getting, though whether vegetarian or gelatin they DO dissolve.

My main dispute with the capsules is that some1 with a high tolerance would have to cap/swallow so many, in my opinion; too many. However capsuling is a great idea when talking about a high quality extract such as the UEI.

Anyways in regards to your method with parachuting I personally don’t see the sense in that.. because that is very similar to just capsuling them and if I had to choose between capsuling and parachute I'd capsule them so I didn't have to cat all that paper. The taste is really not that bad, go and drink cactus juice then speak to me.

.peace.

[Japan Four]

Br00klyn, of course they do. I'm taken aback by the story, not because i believe it. If they didn't dissolve then they would be useless to use for any purpose, not just kratom swallowing

when swim parachutes he can fit it into 4, at most 5, little bundles. you have to admit there's going to be less swallowing involved than capping the same amount.

Although this may just sound like i'm trying to argue one personal opinion, and to an extent it is, it's the way swim has found worked for him, that is until he gags at the sight of toilet roll as long as it gets in the stomach (and stays there) it doesn't really matterr

[grandbaby]

An acquaintance of mine had real difficulty ingesting kratom (powder) because of the pond-scum taste and the desert-sand texture. He soon found that mixing it with yogurt (as recommended by other folks on the forum) was a not-too-unpleasant and very quick and easy way of getting past that problem.

[Intoxicating Dreams]

Ding Dang y'all. SWIM just received her first Kratom. She's looking crossed-eyed at all these instructions. She says she is a chief not a chemist. Swims politely asked Would a tablespoon of the leaf blended in a blender with chocolate milk work out for an initial try?

[grandbaby]

Sounds like a decent idea. Let us know how the choc-milk trials go.

[radiometer]

SWIM's been using this method for years now:

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16165

He now adds some lemon juice at the commencement of the 2nd extraction, rather than its finish, to aid in the extraction. Call him boring and old-fashioned.

[Intoxicating Dreams]

Thank you SWIYS. Swim will let y'all know what the taste tests reveal. She is going to give it the Rachel Ray: uncomplicated, straight forward, and looking for the tastiest presentation

[testodan]

SWIM using the tea,(has powdered kratom BTW),method adding lemon juice plus alcohol from the beginning.2 extractions BTW.
SWIM believes alcohol as lemon juice could help the extraction,doesn't know though.
But he still wonders if the heat destroy any of the good stuff of kratom and on the other hand if going with wash and tosh or capsules method,will the stomach be able to break down the alkaloids?