Best METHYLONE + PHENETHYLAMINE or TRYPTAMINE Combo for enhanced MDMA-like effects

[cadillac555]

For prolonging and enhancing the Euphoric, Empathetic MDMA like qualities of Methylone, swim has heard some reports of combining it with 2C-B, 5-Meo-Dipt, and other phenethylamines and tryptamines.

He is particularly interested in the combination of Methylone and 2C-B, but would love to hear feedback from anyone with experience with other Methylone + Phenethylamine / Tryptamine Combos.

He would like to know what combos people have used with success as well as failure so he knows what to avoid as well as what works. But is especially interested in what works

He thanks everyone kindly in advance !!!

[chrisn]

You might find this thread helpful: http://drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35624

[radiometer]

No doubt there already exist many threads on this topic.

SWIM has not had much success combining methylone with psychedelics, and fails to see how this could lead to an experience mimicking MDMA.

[Nagognog2]

More like a strain on the heart and heavy anxiety - at least with phenethylamines. At least that is what Bongo told me. And he's a very cautious ape regards dosage.

[snapper]

SWIM's lab weasels find that methylone (~150mg), 5meoMIPT (~5-8 mg) and a little MDPV (~5mg) have a very euphoric peak with most MDMA qualities except for more stimulation.. SWIM's weasels go on to say that the MDPV is not necessary but does contribute something, and that 5meoDIPT would work as well, though SWIM's weasels likes 5meoMIPT better..
SWIM lab weasels agree with bongo that PEA combos tend to be too speedy...
SWIM thinks methylone and low dose AMT would hypothetically be interesting as well if timed right and tested at lower doses for negative interactions. SWIM's weasels have always found AMT to be empathogenic, esp at lower doses.

SWIM recommends none of these since all these combos can be hazardous...SWIM's weasels are a little out of control sometimes...

[enquirewithin]

My budgerigar used has enjoyed mixing 2C-B, 2C-C and 2C-I with methylone in the past, but the timing and dosing is very tricky. He wouldn't really recommend it, however. Coming up on a psychedelic whilst coming down from methylone (which happens so fast) could be very uncomfortable. Such a combination is nothing like MDMA at all-- more like mixing stimulants with psychedelics. Mixing M1 with "Foxy Methoxy" put him in a sort of twisted purgatory for a couple of hours.

Possibly the best way to take that kind of combination is to wait until the peak of the psychedelic is over, then take methylone (certainly not the other way round).

The more someone takes methylone, the more the anxiety it can produce comes out.

Why are there so may threads about this and that being like MDMA? There are so many other experiences out there which are as good if not better!

[Nagognog2]

Extreme caution would be advised - if not an absolute veto - with the a-MT idea. a-Methyltryptamine is an MAOI. What that would do with methylone is unknown and I would not suggest anyone be the first to find out what a CNS-stimulant ketone and an MAOI would do.

[snapper]

SWIM's weasels have that combo on the roster already but will not get to it for a while as said weasels do not have a lot of free time away from their Marshall Farms stud duties and it may take a while. As usual, the weasels will work up from a low dose of both, but given 15mg of AMT's lack of interaction with~15mg MDPV and a 25gm rail of methylone (the latter of which did nothing, as predicted), SWIM's weasels are not overly concerned. However, Nag's cautions are heeded as always. The weasels have their new crash helmets and goggles ready...

[cadillac555]

For those who asking why swim would not just take MDMA to get MDMA's effects is because MDMA is very scarce around where he lives, and when it does come around, it is always full of meth, and ketamine, ephedrine, and whatever other junk pill makers find up their asses these days. He has not had a good MDMA pill since 2003. And has only encountered pure powder twice in his life. ( it is never around )

The last pressed pill swim ate had 1 part MDA, 2 parts meth, and 2.5 parts ketamine. Swim took two and spent the night in a K-hole instead of rolling with a very close friend like he planned.
Now he is sick of it and wants to find something that works.
And, being as he can get actually get methylone very cheaply believe it or not, he would like to expirement with this chem and try to find an enjoyable experience like mdma as that is swims most favorite experience ever..

[enquirewithin]

Originally Posted by cadillac555

The last pressed pill swim ate had 1 part MDA, 2 parts meth, and 2.5 parts ketamine. Swim took two and spent the night in a K-hole instead of rolling with a very close friend like he planned.

Can I ask how SWIc knows that these three chemicals were in his pills? It seems one would need a lab.

[cadillac555]

Ok, I have narrowed it down and it looks like swim will most likely get the effects he is seeking ( comfortable but strong euphoria smilar to MDXX ) from either :

1 - Methylone and a low dose of 2C-B ( 2c-i is too stimulating for swim )

or

2 - Methylone and a low dose of 5-Meo-Dipt

or

3 - Methylone and a low dose combo of BOTH 2C-B and 5-Meo-Dipt

ANYONE wth any experience, feedback or suggestions please post to help swim find which path to take.

[halftone]

swim hasn't tried 5-meo-dipt, but has researched methylone in combination with both 2c-i & 2c-b. they both go very nicely together, it's hard to say which swim would choose over the other.

swim also finds 2c-i stimulating, but when swim combined it with methylone, he says he kept his dose quite low (8-10mg of 2c-i, followed by 125-150mg M1 about 1 hour or so later) and the stimulation was alot more manageable.

swim would keep his 2c-b and use that on it's own, as he finds 2c-b trips quite similar to mdma already - and would recommend that you try researching 2c-i with methylone.

[cadillac555]

ya 2c-i is a little too stimulating for swim, he prefers
2c-b on the phenethylamine side of the spectrum
and
5-meo-dipt on the tryptamine side of the spectrum
Swim is wondering about TFMPP to add more serotonin function to the experience like in TFMPP + BZP combos. What does swiy think about this possablity ??? I know some monkeys find Piperazines to be too toxic feeling. Swim, while they are not his first choice, does'nt mind piperazines that much, but finds methylone much better in every aspect than BZP. Anyone else ???

[halftone]

has your swim considered 4-aco-dmt? swim has researched this one 4 times now, and said it is remarkable how similar to a good mdma roll it is (at around 14-16mg). swim says he doesn't even enjoy mushrooms all that much, and wasn't expecting such things from 4-aco-dmt. the body high is similar, actually better than mdma - there is euphoria, and the visuals are like beautiful jewels. possibly missing some of the empathy that mdma has. your swim should read some trip reports on it - others have also remarked that the feeling is similar to e.

[enquirewithin]

This is likely: methylone+piperazine=headache.

[cadillac555]

ecstasydata.org had them posted on their site from swims area, and swim used a tester to confirm the presence of the other chems ( sadly they were tested & looked up AFTER the bad experience )
you can see it here, http://www.ecstasydata.org/viewtablet.php?ID=1554 I was a bit off on the ingredients, but this is the pill.

It felt more like 1 part mdxx 2 parts meth and 3-5 parts ketamine, YUCK !!!

[enquirewithin]

Don't know why people do that!

[MindCrime]

Time for the rodeo hamsters to figure out that black pepper thing ... (big smile)