Ecstasy and personal disclosure to ppl

[burgerman]

I have not tried xtc before and i had some questions relating to the effects of it:


i hear that on xtc everybody gets all lovey-dovey touchy feely and loves to blab their personal stories... its just for me, that is too much of a contrast. I dont want to blab out personal shit to people. I know what its like on alcohol, people will blab and so do i - but for alcohol i still do have the oportunity to refrain from blabbing out my inner most personal stuff.



question 1: does a person on xtc have any self control over what they disclose ? will a user have a little voice in their head saying "no better not say that" or will they wake up regrettign what they said in the comedown?




secondly, I'm a hermit and i love it. i hear that if i did xtc alone that it would be totally shit and wouldn't work at all. But i dont need people to get wasted... i dont need people to have fun or to get in touch with the universe. I am pretty sure i could feel happy without needing the other people element.




question 2: can you get full effects on xtc without people? allot of people i've discussed this with in the past say no, or that it'd be totally shit and mute.

[Fantasian]

ok

1) In my oppinion a person still has they're mind on XTC, they're loved up and empathic to the nth degree and feel they are beter able to communicate problems and arn't as afraid but you still have control. The differance is, you wont feel afraid or worried about communciating problems to friends. There are still things that while under the influernce SWIF has kept from people, some of his feelings closest to his core. Understand XTC is not a truth serum On the comedown one might feel he can no longer talk and possibly feel anxious about what happened the night before but this will pass just as the comedown does.

In short: It will make one more open but if you dont want to disclose something you still wont.

2) Can you get the full effects of ecstasy without people? such a strange question, ecstasy works by increasing any serotonin release and causing it to stay there (in simple terms) so you'll enjoy ecstasy as long as your doing something you enjoy. What most people love about ecstasy is the empathy and understanding between people that it gives. People feel empowered to finally talk to one another without fear or worry. Why you would want to miss or avoid that experience im not sure but thats your own stuff. That all said SWIF's been to raves and danced for 4 hours without talking to a single person and had the time of his life. It's all enviornment in the end, if your happy in your enviroment and enjoying what your doing you'll enjoy the experience.

In short: for alot of people the empathy experienced is one of the key parts to the drug but you can still really enjoy XTC with music.

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Good and insightful advice

[Nose Dive]

SWIM agrees with the previous statement. If swiy is doing something they enjoy they should get a buzz but personally, my Bill says he would only have a good time if other people were there. He finds when he does it alone he craves others, maybe he's just an incredibly social animal. He usually ends up spilling stuff but swiy won't just spew out personal things and if they are alone most of the time anyway, it wouldn't matter, right?

[burgerman]

yeah thanks for the answers.. i previously got told from a few other people i'd probobly blab out stuff which is no surprise and one guy told me to hide the phone even becauise i would probobly love to ring up my parents and tell them a whole bu8nch of crap heh.

[coke]

SWIM says you are much more aware of your thoughts then alcohol it's not at all like being drunk.
He also said with regards to people that he often finds being physically close to people makes him feel better even just like squishing onto a seat with friends takes away his anxiety. When he tried it alone he felt to overwhelmed and didn't enjoy himself anywhere near as much.
He, like other people, said it very much amplifies whatever it is you enjoy and don't enjoy.

[Nature Boy]

Ecstasy isn't simply a truth serum. It won't make you blurt out the truth and abandon all your discretions. It may make one feel compelled to discuss their emotions openly however and this can result in revealing many things about oneself. Ultimately however, some inhibitions will remain.

[Nagognog2]

MDMA removes fear, thereby disabling one's normal defense mechanisms. So while not exactly a "truth serum" (the CIA tried it and abandoned it for just this reason), it will allow one to look all the way inside without concern.

Regards taking it alone, many do and have extremely profound experiences. Many prefer this to a crowd and dancing to techno-rock.

[naatural]

in most people's experiencs that I have heard of, they did blab a lot of personal stuff out, but not in such a way as to regret it afterwards...

2) swiy will probably have a blast even on his own, but imo comedowns on your own might be get a bit gloomy, that said most people don't get one their first time so who knows...

ps: swim has managed to tell very convincing lies whilst on the drug and did not feel guilty or anxious about it if that makes you feel any more comfortable :/

[Gridlock]

SWIM personally finds that he is much more in control, able to make judgements, clear headed and less generally intoxicated while under the influence of ecstacy than he is while drunk.

If SWIM had to choose to try and do a normal days work (SWIM works in a white collar office job an interacts with 100's of people on an averge work day) while either high on ecstacy, Marijuana or drunk

he would choose: 1) Ecstacy 2) Drunk 3) Marijuana (I am talking about being heavily under the influence e.g 4 pills, 8 pints, 2 strong joints)

In short, I don't think you need to worry about telling secrets on XTC

[Lillyanna22]

swim usually uses cocaine and alcohol. after trying mdma for the first time swim can definitely say mdma is a way better feeling then either one. it gives you a drunkish feeling but not.. you do not feel out of control and are very aware of right and wrong. you feel no need for anything more..(except for affection) for example swim doesn't even like to smoke and can comfortably watch others drink and blow lines without wanting. one would be more likely to wake up regretful after a night of drinking or babbling on coke than on x.

one could do this alone, however, it would be best to do with someone you are close with. it does not make you feel like you need to have sex or anything but one feels very close to the other person. you may want to snuggle and dance etc. swim has taken ambien alone which could possibly produce the same uphoria but the "profound" thoughts one has do not necessarily carry over to the next day so "bonding" with ones self is not as great as with the real bond you can make with other people which is more real.

do note though that you could get a serious hangover, swim does not come down nice but possibly people who use frequently become immune to the awful hangover

[paau]

personally swim would probably go and blab about stuff that swim wouldn't usually talk about and feel like a knob-head the next day.
if you're conscious that you really don't want to do that then i suppose swiy wouldn't. i from swimy personal experience, i wouldn't say xtc clouded your judgement in any way.

[griffonite]

Swim recently did MDMA for the first time in his own home with a close friend he has known over twenty years. Swim was more open and honest about his feelings but was aware not to reveal certain things he wouldn't want anyone to know. Consequently Swim has no regrets about what he revealed to his friend. Swim felt in complete control of his thoughts whilst under the influence. Just another example he says of why this drug is so amazing. Enables people to open up emotionally without loss of judgement, makes people relaxed yet energized at the same time. It is these seemingly contradictory feelings that make MDMA special,apparently.

[Samadhi]

There's a reason that they say MDMA is a social lubricant. for the exact reason panthers007 said above, it removes fear and what holds people back from expressing themselves in a manner that may be considered not normal. Swim started dating his current (now somewhere around 3 years) girlfriend while under the influence of MDMA. Swim had been holding back his feeling from her for fear that she would say she didn't feel that way, but after MDMA removed swims fears he was able to say what he'd been aching to say for 2 years previous and she aparently felt the same way.

But, swim can also see how MDMA is a little bit too much if the situation would've gone the other way.

[Mammon]

In regards to doing on your own: make sure you've got some weed/booze/benzos for the comedown otherwise it's gonna be shit.

[Panthers007]

Before the news that a comedown from MDMA was supposed to be terrible (Suicide Tuesday) and such myths were spread not unlike an urban-legend, most folks just felt a bit burnt the next day. Nothing to write home about. The next day was planned to be uneventful/stressful.

If you tell someone they will feel like crap later, they often do. And this works in reverse as well - tell someone they will feel terrific!

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Very true

[Dr. Awesome]

Originally Posted by Panthers007

If you tell someone they will feel like crap later, they often do. And this works in reverse as well - tell someone they will feel terrific!

I completely agree, the power that one's thoughts have is much more than we often realize.

The thing with MDMA is that it doesnt quite put a person into a different state of mind, its more of a different state of emotion. My friend swim has only done it once but he told me how he really enjoyed that his thinking wasnt clouded or shifted, the only thing affecting it was his happiness. Swim has found that when he gets stoned he can talk without thinking first and has said some stuff he wishes he hadnt. I found this on the wikipedia page for weed, not sure how true it is but the source cited seems pretty legit:

Cannabis was used as truth serum by the Office of Strategic Services (OSS), a US government intelligence agency formed during World War II. In the early 1940's, it was the most effective truth drug developed at the OSS labs at St. Elizabeths Hospital; it caused a subject "to be loquacious and free in his impartation of information."

In May 1943, Major George Hunter White, head of OSS counter-intelligence operations in the US, arranged a meeting with Augusto Del Gracio, an enforcer for gangster Lucky Luciano. Del Gracio was given cigarettes spiked with THC concentrate from cannabis, and subsequently talked openly about Luciano's heroin operation. On a second occasion the dosage was increased such that Del Gracio passed out for two hours.

Basically the point being that for swim at least, marijuana is more likely to cause him to say stuff he would regret.
Heres the page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marijuana#Truth_serum

As for being alone swim thinks that swiy will be fine, he's very much the same in that he is somewhat of a hermit. He likes tripping by himself a lot and has done it frequently. When rolling a person usually loves whatever is going on and will probably have an awesome time just chilling listening to music or something, swiy would probably have a better time though if they were with people. Swim knows that if he had rolled alone he would have been texting and calling people the entire time as he gets extremely talkative when he's in a good mood and with the openness that one feels from MDMA he didnt shut up the entire night. So he would suggest that swiy do it with some friends because although it probably wont make him feel terrible, it will make the experience better than if alone. Plus swiy's friends wont have to be pulling their phones out all night to text or talk to swiy lol.