An idiot-proof guide for "flake" or "cooked opium."

[samuraigecko]

hello.

There is a person who I am acquainted with who has much experience in the following simple procedure which I will outline. I am not suggesting to do it or to try it but it is here merely for INFORMATIONAL RESEARCH PURPOSES ONLY. I have many times viewed him do this procedure throughout the last 20 odd years and am well knowledged in this subject.

1. This can be done either with raw opium gum (the latex from the incised pods) or from poppy straw (dried pods and pod stems ground up fairly fine but still coarse).

2. Bring some water to the boil, then take the heat down so that the water is only vaporising. (AT NO TIME SHOULD THE WATER BE EITHER BUBBLING OR BOILING IN ANY WAY PAST THIS POINT!). Add small amounts of water due to loss as needed. The amount of water you will need is approximately 10 times the weight/volume of whatever you are starting with (straw or gum).

3. Add the gum or straw to the warm water and keeping it on a VERY low heat without bubbling or boiling of any kind, let it steep this way for around an hour or so. (cut the gum up into small bits to make it dissolve in the water easier).

4. During this time the water should turn an amber to dark-ish brown color. When the steeping time is complete take the liquid off the heat and while the liquid is still warm filter the liquid through a coffee filter (My friend uses a few filters instead of just one cos sometimes they tend to break, especially the paper filters). If you have used gum, you will be left with a grey-ish brown wax like material in the filter. This is a byproduct from the gum and contains nothing of use so discard it. If you have used straw the filter will be full of both the straw powder particles and the grey-ish wax like substance, both of which are useless now and should be discarded.

5. Take the resulting amber / brown liquid and put it back on the low heat (AGAIN NO BOILING OR BUBBLING AT ANY TIME). Let this liquid vaporise until it has lost almost all of its water content. Depending on the amount one may have made, this may take some time. Once it has lost the majority of its water content take it off the heat and allow it to cool. During this cooling period it will continue to loose more water content, usually all of it if one did it just right.

6. Some people allow this a further few days drying if it has not lost ALL of its water content. Once it has lost all its water content, one would be left with a flaky amber / brown (almost crystalline) substance on the bottom of their pot. This is carefully scraped out of the pot and into a container. One would do this carefully as it is a very light substance and flakes can easily be flicked away and lost.

7. VIOLA, that is "cooked opium" or "flake". This substance is still (surprisingly) easily pushed into a ball or nugget with the fingers even though it looks almost crystalline. One might smoke this rather carefully because it is a lot more potent than raw opium, From what I have observed, one would start with a bit about the size of a match head and work their way up carefully if that was not enough.

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THE COMMON MISCONCEPTIONS . . . .
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1. At no time should the liquid either bubble or boil once the material is in the pot. if it does, alkaloid degradation occurs very quickly and one would loose all the goodies.

2. This is NOT morphine base, morphine base is acquired through a chemical process using citric acid and lime calcate which I have also observed and can outline if asked to do so.

3. One cannot use baking soda to make any type of smokable "opium base" or whatever. Opiate alkaloids DO NOT bond to baking soda.

4. When making the "flake" or "cooked opium" form it is not necessary to adjust the pH level of the solution UNLESS you are intending on eating it. If you are intending on eating it, adjust the pH level of the solution to 6.5 because this will allow for better absorption in your stomach (use ones head when eating this form because the amount needed is much smaller than regular gum). If one was to smoke the above mentioned material then no pH adjustment would be necessary because the liquid should already be in the pH range needed for a smokable form naturally.
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After one has done this correctly they should be left with a product found commonly in Asia and any other opium producing countries. The cooked (and pushed back into a dark brown ball usually) form is the most potent form and one would be left feeling pretty damn good if one were to smoke or ingest the correct amount. Unfortunately when visiting Asia and other countries the locals ALWAYS try to rip one off, Usually with the raw black gum uncooked that they keep for westerner tourists.

Cheers, I hope this information (which is intended for research purposes only) has helped people.

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	good info!
	excellent,informative and easy. gr8 stuff!
	very good write up

[Alicia]

Very good, this can be very helpful for peeps wishing to educate themselves about cooked opium. fab!

[samuraigecko]

Just a few thing I missed when I posted that Guide (which is for informational purposes only).

If one wanted to eat rather than smoke the result, one would adjust the pH of the liquid before making it loose its water content, this is done either with lemon juice, vinegar (yuk) or with citric acid. SWIM would almost certainly suggest that for eating purposes you adjust the pH level with lemon juice or citric acid (the latter in much smaller amounts). pH test strips are easily found at most supermarkets or garden supply shops.

Also, SWIM forgot to tell me that it works better with the ground pods and stems if they are fairly fresh, but he has successfully made this form with older poppy straw (in one batch the straw came from SWIM's dead aunt and was from 1997, he didn't make the flake until 2006 and it was still pretty damn good in his opinion).

[rxbandit]

very nice! about what were the hypothetical yields for this write up?

[samuraigecko]

Originally Posted by rxbandit

very nice! about what were the hypothetical yields for this write up?

Well hypothetically, if one was to use gum one would end up with anywhere from a 1/4 to an 1/8th of what one started with (if one was to use uncooked gum) This range of yield is because of the amount of water soluble alkaloids present in the gum will vary depending on how good ones gum was to begin with. When SWIM has done it with poppy straw he says that he didnt really take notice of how much he started with and ended up with, however he says that last time he did it with poppy straw he used around 20 dried stems and pods and ended up with almost 2 grams of "flake" as far as he could estimate.

Even tho the yields seem to be alot smaller, remember that it also is proportionally more potent and definably more smokable (taste, smoothness etc) One needs to remember that this procedure (which is again for research purposes only ) is designed to produce a stronger, more desirable product while remaining as small and compact as possible. (it is easier for SWIM to hide something so small in size rather than a big ball or half a gallon of liquid)

hope this has helped, cheers

[keats]

Couple questions assuming you glance over this thread again, samurai. If SWIM was to buy some poppies online for the purpose of making flake, would SWIY recommend he buy huge heads without stems or smaller heads with stems? He's always been under the impression the heads contain more alkaloids than the stems and they're cheaper for "more head" but given SWIY's description would poppy pods with heads be desirable?

Also this is being discussed in another thread, but with the sort of cooked opium SWIY is talking about what would he say is the ideal smoking method?

[samuraigecko]

Originally Posted by keats

Couple questions assuming you glance over this thread again, samurai. If SWIM was to buy some poppies online for the purpose of making flake, would SWIY recommend he buy huge heads without stems or smaller heads with stems? He's always been under the impression the heads contain more alkaloids than the stems and they're cheaper for "more head" but given SWIY's description would poppy pods with heads be desirable?

Also this is being discussed in another thread, but with the sort of cooked opium SWIY is talking about what would he say is the ideal smoking method?

The larger heads would be more preferable if one were so inclined. As long as they are Papaver S then you will benefit more from the larger heads (which one would assume are from the gigantorum strain) than smaller heads even with stems. SWIY was right in his assumption that the pods contain a larger amount of alkaloids than the stems.

However, IF one were in theory to have fresh poppies growing then one would use both the pod and about the first 10 to 15cm's of the stem down from the pod as this part of the plant also contains significant alkaloids and is useful for the process of the type of extraction One has mentioned.

As for the ideal smoking method, SWIM prefers to use an "Ice Pipe" and and indirect flame from a jet lighter. Here is a picture of an Ice Pipe for research purposes only. http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/da...100383H3_b.jpg

If one were to put the O inside the glass bulb so that it was enclosed then heat the glass bulb indirectly One would notice that the O would smoke up rather well and there would be no loss as the smoke is always trapped inside the glass bulb. If one were to draw air as well as smoke at the same time from the smoking end by not placing their mouth entirely over the end One tokes from, the smoke is a lot cooler and smoother and the whole process is more controlled and One would be less likely to choke or cough on the smoke.

Hope this has helped in some way . . .
Peace

[allyourbase]

good way to smoke opium = any pipe + tongs + hookah coal

for some reason the "flake" swim sees is largely lighterproof (bic). to smoke one would have to rip into small peices and mix with something a lot more flammable like MJ. but if swiy has a hookah coal and tongs, or a butane torch lighter, then prepare to get lit up.

[keats]

Thanks samurai. How does that hookah coal work exactly for smoking opium allyourbase? SWIM has a glass pipe and hookah coals readily availible, would you just stuff a piece of a coal down into pipe and then pull through it or what? SWIM feels like this should be obvious but can't really picture it.

[samuraigecko]

Originally Posted by allyourbase

good way to smoke opium = any pipe + tongs + hookah coal

for some reason the "flake" swim sees is largely lighterproof (bic). to smoke one would have to rip into small peices and mix with something a lot more flammable like MJ. but if swiy has a hookah coal and tongs, or a butane torch lighter, then prepare to get lit up.

No, SWIM informs me that if you were to make the "flake" correctly it should almost dissolve and vaporize like when you smoke H. One has viewed SWIM doing this before.

[samuraigecko]

Oh and SWIM also forgot to say, that this can be done with a "bic" style lighter, but takes longer to produce enough indirect heat and the lighter becomes a little hot for his liking, thats why he uses jet lighters.

[samuraigecko]

By the way everyone, thank you for the rating. One is glad to be able to help people with their informational and research purposes.

Cheers.

[supe]

swim tried this and got a product that smelled similar to black strap molasses. He used Tasmanian pods. Swim smoked a little and it did not do much , kind of gave him a headache, so he told me. Maybe he needs to try a larger quantity?

[samuraigecko]

Not sure,
One has to be careful when making it and follow the steps correctly.
Once it has been done right it should look like amber flakes in the bottom of ones pot.
This can easily be pushed back into a ball as it is very pliable even though it looks fairly crystalline. One of the important steps is to make sure it retains water content just before the end and never dries out fully while on heat. Indirect heat is preferable, like a double boiler for example.

SWIM tried this other method where he oven dried it on the lowest oven setting which is about 50deg Celsius. This worked a little better in his opinion. SWIM put the resulting strained liquid onto glass shallow baking trays and He waited until it has lost most of its water content then turned the oven off but left it in the oven allowing the rest to dry and cool naturally with the oven and came out with a better result than usual at the end. 50deg Celsius is not hot enough to destroy any opiate alkaloids (at 80deg Celsius they begin to degrade quite quickly) so he believes this method is more "controlled" that the methods he has seen and even done in S.E.Asian jungle with a 44gal drum and big ass fire. LOL.
P.S: This can also be done with large quantities of poppy seed SWIM says, he has recently tried this and came out with a decent result. (around 33mg per 0.6g approx.)

Hope this helps.

[supe]

swim thought about using the oven, Now he wishes he would have to better control the final steps. He will smoke the homemade again tomorrow and see how it goes. If all else fails he tells me there are plenty of more pods

[jayjohnson81]

SWIM would definately go the oven route... pyrex dish, larger surface area for evap. Another SWIM recalled some things about making honey oil recently.

SWIM said she has a digital thermometer (for making brownies, mj caps, sugar sculptures, etc.) - she is anal and wants to know what is the exact temp she should stay under? Did she read 80 faren somewhere as the highest it should get with possible destruction of the addictive... I mean medicating substance.

[jayjohnson81]

Oh look at that just two posts up - yep 80 degrees too hot.

So, what if during the `steep` phase, one notes that their stoves lowest setting keeps the tea at about 136 deg faren. for the hour. The water isn't even putting off steam, but is that too hot?

[samuraigecko]

SWIM is not sure about the Fahrenheit conversion but one shall try his best in Celsius first and then convert. If the water is kept to the point of only vaporizing slowly and no bubbling occurring then the liquid will usually be around the 70 degrees Celsius mark. This is the exact temperature that SWIM keeps his liquid at while "steeping". Opiate alkaloids are dispersed and destroyed Via vaporization at 80 degrees Celsius so 70 is a safe place to keep it during the steeping process.

Once the steeping process has finished One can then perform all of the filtering off steps provided in the guide and nothing has to be adjusted except for a few small things which SWIM has experimented with over the last few months, He will update this information shortly in a new thread so keep a watch on it.

During the evaporation process large shallow glass baking dishes are used, One is right, this provides a large surface area for the liquid to have contact with the dry air heat thus accelerating the evaporation process. As the liquid begins to evaporate (this takes time) one will notice that once the liquid passes the saturation point of alkaloid to water ratio it begins to take on a different appearance. One can view a gum like quality to the liquid now and it is amber and almost crystalline in appearance. This means one is on the right track. As this resulting liquid begins to loose the majority of its water content One then turns off the oven and opens the oven door but leaving everything in there to cool with the oven naturally. If one has caught this point at the right moment the rest of the water content should evaporate off naturally when cooling down to room temperature. If one wishes one can further dry this some place which has indirect dry heat but not too high. 50 degrees Celsius is all that is needed to evaporate off the water content and an ambient temperature of 30 degrees Celsius is all that is needed for further drying if it is required. This will all be explained in further detail since this guide has proven good but SWIM thinks he can better it. Here are the Fahrenheit conversions one may need for him informational purposes. 70`c = 158`f , 50`c = 122`f , 30`c = 86`f

hope this has been of help for SWIY's research.

[jayjohnson81]

Yeah... ya' know. I was being too dense to notice where celsius was even noted. I *am* able to do the conversions... just had some reading comprehension problems. There's a reason I quit drinking...