Use without CWE

[KomodoMK]

SWIM has 4 pills which are 500mg paracetamol, 30mg codeine, if SWIM was to take these 4 would he still obtain the effects of 120mg of codeine, and would it be any good? Does the paracetamol counter-act any of the effects of codeine?

SWIM has on a fair few occasions taken 5x500mg paracetamol after using fairly large amounts of cocaine which always seems to able him to go to work on less than 2 hours sleep without feeling completely brain fried and tired. SWIM has never experienced problems with taking 2500mg of paracetamol. SWIM has not used any drug now for over 2 weeks.

SWIM really can't be arsed with CWE, so wonders what your views are on taking as described above, and is it worth it?

Thanks.

[Tortoise]

Seriously, Swiy shouldn't take that much paracetamol. Even if he doesn't feel sick from it, it's not worth the risk of liver damage. You only have one!

Tell Swiy not to be lazy and just do a CWE which should take all of about 15minutes with only 4 pills.

But, in answer to your question. No. Paracetamol doesn't counteract the effetcs of codeine.

[Mint boi]

yeh as tortoise says a cwe is the best way to go. having said this, swim has taken 2g of paracetamol in the past and he was fine, but not something to make a habit of!

[JaWill88]

why does SWIY not want to do CWE?

[sunshine_buddy]

Swim often takes 10N+ pills without CWE (128mg Codeine, 200mg Ibuprofen) and doesn't get any ill effects. She can't be bothered with CWE either and the mixture tastes disgusting.

Over 400mg of paracetamol or more at once is meant to be toxic(according to erowid), so 2500 shouldn't be a worry.

However done daily it might damage your liver...

[jaffacake]

Not quite sunshine, there's a difference between something being "toxic" and it causing damage to your body. NSAID's at any dosage turn off mucous production in your stomach leaving you susceptible to acidic stomach damage and ulcers.

[Abrad]

Originally Posted by sunshine_buddy

Swim often takes 10N+ pills without CWE (128mg Codeine, 200mg Ibuprofen) and doesn't get any ill effects. She can't be bothered with CWE either and the mixture tastes disgusting.

Over 400mg of paracetamol or more at once is meant to be toxic(according to erowid), so 2500 shouldn't be a worry.

However done daily it might damage your liver...

Wrong! More than 4000mg over a 24hr period is considered toxic. Higher than recommended singles doses (1000mg) should also be condidered toxic.

And extract the ibuprofen fffs, it is really harsh on the stomach (among other things).

[KomodoMK]

Originally Posted by Abrad

Wrong! More than 4000mg over a 24hr period is considered toxic. Higher than recommended singles doses (1000mg) should also be condidered toxic.

And extract the ibuprofen fffs, it is really harsh on the stomach (among other things).

Assuming you are talking about single doses of paracetamol over 1000mg being toxic, then please elaborate on why some cold a flu medicines have 1000mg in a single dose and the dosage states once every 4-6 hours, no more than 4 in a 24 hour period. Therefore a maximum of 4000mg/24h period.

Quote from an external source:

"The toxic dose of paracetamol is highly variable. In adults, single doses above 10 grams or 150 mg/kg have a reasonable likelihood of causing toxicity. Toxicity can also occur when multiple smaller doses within 24 hours exceeds these levels, or even with chronic ingestion of doses as low as 4 g/day, and death with as little as 6 g/day."

[Mint boi]

Originally Posted by sunshine buddy

Over 400mg of paracetamol or more at once is meant to be toxic(according to erowid), so 2500 shouldn't be a worry

....? maybe I'm just slow but how does that make any sense!!?

[darkglobe]

Ibuprofen is sometimes prescribed by doctors at a dosage of 2g per day. It's considered unsafe above 1200mg a day, but in extreme cases...

Which brings me to my point: SWIY is not an extreme case, so please extract it or leave it alone.

We really are just looking out for SWIY.

[darkglobe]

^^ You're correct about the flu remedies. Lemsip Max has 1200mg of Paracetamol I believe.

[Abrad]

Ok, please take as much APAP as you want and rid us of your stupidity. You have been warned.

/me is not in a good mood

[Birkill]

I once dun 24 nurofen plus once so thats nearly 5g of ibuprofen and im stillo here wont be repeating it though! What is the ld for ibuprofen?

[Zaprenz]

OMG! What are people like.

Paracetamol:

1gram = 1000mg of paracetamol/acetaminophen no more than fours times a day (doses seperated by at least 4 hours).

No products on the market have more than 1000mg/1g of paracetamol in one dose. [lemsip max = 1000mg/1g to be taken no more than fours times a day.]

There is good reason for this, http://www.chemsoc.org/chembytes/ezi...achuls_box.gif
Paracetamol can be metabolised via two routes, one dependant on glutathione the other route producing toxicity.

Ibuprofen:

Ibuprofen is slightly different, it's less acutely toxic taken as one large dose of 600 - 1200mg - you won't necessarily OD. What you don't realise is how much damage you are doing to your kidneys and stomach at those doses. Certainly anything over 1200mg in one dose or considerably larger doses in one day is asking for trouble. Regular intake of large doses will most certainly cause serious kidney & stomach problems which will most likely go unnoticed. There are cases of people being admitted to hosptal for internal bleeding from the stomach [just from taking ibuprofen], leading to shock and in some cases death. [Yes unlikely but a risk one shouldn't ignore]

Seriously either do a cold water extraction [CWE] and follow the procedure properly or try and get codeine by going to the doctor. Risking ones health because of laziness is fairly stupid.

[naturally5odonme]

i think you all freak out way toooo much.
hahahah.
chill a little

[Mint boi]

We do apologize for this.
Its just... we do like have the use of our livers, quite handy things you know.

[naturally5odonme]

yeah. i lost mine
my stomach lining is almost gone
im 18
and im fucked
before i knew about all the effects everything would have.
oh well

[Birkill]

Originally Posted by naturally5odonme

yeah. i lost mine
my stomach lining is almost gone
im 18
and im fucked
before i knew about all the effects everything would have.
oh well

Shit dude, tell me more!

[Romulusza]

I don’t understand either? I have taken 4500mg (4.5g) of paracetamol and 100mg Codeine on a number of occasions, sometimes repeated day after day, always combined with alcohol and weed. Always felt great the next day after 15 hours of sleep. I haven’t done this in a while, but went to the Doc last week and all is well…

[Mint boi]

Well tbh swiy is pretty lucky. 4.5g mixed with alcohol could be doing a fair bit of damage! Contiuing with that kind of routine is a bad idea!! Seriously doing a CWE is really really easy! And it has the added effect of being in aqueous solution so the absorbtion is quicker than pills! Give it some thought! For you livers sake!

[Romulusza]

thanks.. Going to be trying the CWE method soon.. Glad I found this forum... Codeine was something I found by myself, and continues using it the way I started.. Guess it about time for an upgrade, eh?

[Mint boi]

yeh this forum is great. another advantage of the CWE is that if swiy ever wants to up their dose he can do so without any fear of damaging themselves. My Ferret takes over 200mg of codeine, If he did that without CWE he'd be dead!!!

[malsat]

If SWIY insist on taking such large doses of paracetamol, try to get SWIY's hands on some n-acetyl cysteine. This will help to reduce the liver damage that SWIY's are giving themself Alternatively, from a health food store SWIY can get milk thistle which might help with it.

For anyone taking larger than recommended doses of ibuprofen, you are causing damage to your stomach. Codeine/ibuprofen abuse led to SWIM's admittance in hospital with stomach bleeding (potentially fatal) and chronic stomach problems. Think again before you fuck yourself up, when you can easily prevent it. If you insist on continuing in this way, take antacids with your dose. This might prevent permanent damage to your stomach. Your kidneys will probably still be in trouble.

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good advice

[Melalicious]

cwe or nothing now days for swim!

yes it taste yuckie, yes it takes time and paitents depending on the dosage amount, but definatly a better feeling, quicker, cleaner, and even if some ppl say that taking the large amounts of para. and ibup. havent had any harm or effect, im sure over long term use it will! as with any drug! and theres already enough things in life, spesh the things swim/other swimmers do, that are dangerous, why add another?!?!

but, each to there own i guess!