Kratom dosage question.

[Stiney]

Swim was just wondering what the Kratom users here standard dosage is. Swim read the erowid dosage section but it gives a common dosage as anywhere from 3 grams to 20 grams of leaf depending on the potency/grade. Is there any way to get an indication of the grade Swim has? Would it be against the forum rules to post where the batch was sourced from?

[Nagognog2]

Sources cannot be discussed outside the (gold and up) Source Forum. The Erowid guesstimates are about right, though most Kratom from reputable sources would find 6 - 7gm quite sufficient to register full effects in your monkey - without a tolerance. Kratom is also rather cross-tolerant with mainstream opiates.

[acolon_5]

As nagognog said, it truly depends on the kratom. SWIM uses teaspoons as a measuring tool. 1-3 teaspoons usually does the trick, but start SLOW, too much kratom is NOT a good thing. The best way to tell how strong the kratom is is to bioassay it....take 1/2 teaspoon (not tablespoon) and titrate up 1/4 teaspoon ever 20-30 minutes until the desired effect is reached. Kratom hits FAST...very fast, esp. on an empty stomach.


SWIM has to disagree with Nagognog about the tolerance issue. SWIM has found that kratom and traditional opiates are only slightly cross-tolerant. After taking large doses of kratom for three months, SWIM cannot go back to even close his orgional dose of opiates... a 1/4 dose does what a full dose used to do. Also, after a few days of opiate use and no kratom use, the kratom has its 'umph' back and much less is needed.

SWIM believes that kratom and traditional opiates are only very weakly cross-tolerant of each other, at least in SWIM's body they are.

[MzEnthusiastic]

I believe u could mention what KIND TPYK bought, just not the vendor. Did you order Thai, Bali, Malaysian, and extract of some sort. Also specify if it's powdered or leaf form. But as stated above - TPIK said they'd start with one tsp, and do as acolon stated... slowly bump it every 20-30 min. I know when TPIK started kratom 1tsp Bali is all it took..... and to echo acolon again.... Use measuring spoons.
1tsp powdered kratom is approx 3 grams

[Stiney]

Originally Posted by MzEnthusiastic

I believe u could mention what KIND TPYK bought, just not the vendor.

The kind bought was red veined whole leaves in a 5 gram bag, four bags, 20 grams in total. It was purchased in a head shop but they source it from a very well known Dutch smart shop. The leaflt included with it states "The Kratom that XX XXXXXXX offers is of exceptional high quality and can not be compared with most other Kratom", although they are selling the stuff so it's expected they would say that.

Swim tried 5 grams (the leaflet reccomends 5-7 grams) made into tea before of the same stuff but achieved absalutley no effects what so ever apart from a slight lethargy which may or may not have been a placebo effect, too slight to judge, Swim hasn't used any opiates whatsoever for several years, and was using kratom for only the second time, so tollerance shouldn't be a question. Is making a tea an ineffective way to consume it? Are there more efficient ways to go about it? Maybe swim is expecting too much from the plant? Are the effects subtle enough to be confused with psychosomatic or placebo effect?

Thanks for the advice, Swim thinks his next attempt will be with 7 grams, and then 10g if desired effects aren't achieved from 7. If no effects are felt by then swim will forget about Kratom, theres cheaper and easier ways out there to get what you want. Swim tries to avoid measuring things in anything but weight, Swim has seen several different size and shaped teaspoons, and a heaped teaspoon is a different amount to a flat teaspoon, and a teaspoon of powder would be far more than a teaspoon of rough plant material, no? I realise that teapsoon measurements are only suposed to be estimates but why settle for an estimate if you can get it bang on.

Anyway I will report back after swims next attempts and let you know how it goes.

[acolon_5]

For SWIM, the most effective way is to eat the powder kratom raw, followed by a large drink to get it down (warm tea seems to help the effects kick in quicker). Tea's made from kratom are much less effective.

The effects are much more than placebo, for SWIM, at a low dose there is stimulation and at a higher dose there is euphoria and lethargy...not exactly like opiates, but remotely similar. Sorry SWIM only uses teaspoon (kitchen volumetric) measurements, always with powdered kratom so he doesn't know exact gram doses.

[MzEnthusiastic]

TPIK puts water in her mouth first, then a scoop of the powdered kratom - followed by a big chug - Most tries TPIK doesn't taste anything at all...

Also, TPIK said there used to be bunk kratom circulating called Mellow Gold... It is related to kratom, but not the same effects.... TPIK said she personally would never buy kratom from a headshop, there are many reliable vendors online, just stick with them Cuz 5 grams on a first try should have had 'some' kinda effects.

HTH's

[nEone]

SWIM also uses measuring spoons - SWIM finds that 1 level teaspoon of his current grind (triple sifted Bali powder) is perfect. He uses deep narrow bowled spoons meant for measuring spices (they fit into the jars).

Start low, like Alocon_5 Suggests.

SWIM has heard that for MANY people, the initial few forays don't produce much effect - whether that's due to the subtlety of the effect or some other effect - SWIM isn't sure, but his experience was similar. It took him three tries.