pFPP Experience!

[Pomzazed]

Someone has weight pFPP (known as Flippiperazine, or chemically p-Fluorophenylpiperazine) (or 1-(4-fluorophenyl)-piperazine) in the freebase form. The substance is of analytical grade (99.5%) and weight carefully with five digits analytical scale.



Substace : pFPP Freebase
Weight : 0.0241g (24.1mg)
Route of administration : pFPP was fed to someone's firecat orally, diluted in a glass of grape juice and washed-drink the empty glass three more times on empty stomach.

Result :
t=0 The strange taste cannot be covered, the firecat told. The juice seems to have something like bitterly than normal taste even in full glass of juice.
t=20m The effect starts to come to the firecat. He notice his firecat has somewhat red face and starts sweating a bit; however, the firecat feels somewhat warm from inside.
t=30m A little nauseating effect can be felt, but the firecat doesnt vomit. It just a feeling.
t=40m A warm feeling continues from inside the firecat, vision seems to be colorful and having bright edges, but seems to blur a little bit.
t=1h Seems like the firecat got the full effect. He said he got some subtle CEVs like a pattern of wavy green-colored line (Very weak CEV anyhow, but still is.) The mood is elevated and the firecat starts to rap out freemic smoothly! (The firecat is an emcee), like it has taken 2 MJ hits. The effect lasts for a LONG time!
t=5h (!) Starts to lean back to normal but not baseline.
t=5h45m Having a little headache, but not intense at all.
t=6h30m Seems like the effects had vanished from the firecat's body.
t=1d Dont know if the energy is sucked out? But someone's firecat sleeps extra long like 13 hours (normally he sleeps 6hr a day.) The next day he has lost most of appetite.

Discussion
This substance gives more than what the firecat expected and if doesnt count the next day comedown the firecat likes it. However the firecat will not take it for at least 2 weeks due to the unknown mechanism of piperazines by the meaning of metabolite and excreation if it will produce any more toxicate substances. The pFPP has a label of "Toxic" with a crossbone on the bottle anyway (unlike mCPP which only has "Irritant").

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	Good report, cheers.
	good post

[cennerteal]

An interesting experience, the firecat is sensible to keep to the two week break. My pet cat Swimmy has not tried the pFPP but remains curious.

[Pino]

Not a very long report. SWIM didn't take notes.


Dose: 50 mg of Pfpp was ingested. Weighted with a scale with a 5 mg precision. Prior to ingestion 2 ml of GBL was consumed. During the experience GBL was regularly consumed in 1 ml booster dosages. Swim tested, if he was allergic for the material by taking 5 mg the week before this experience. This amount had actually some effect.

Trip report:

First effects were felt at T + 30 min. His friend told swim it was very similar to a small dose of mdma. Swim found it more spacy and trippy compared to mdma. The moodlift was good. Appreciation of music was enhanced. Swim liked to laugh a lot. On the peak (T + 2 hours), swim was a little silent and a little unease, but afterwards the fun effects came back. Pupils were extremely dilated. On the peak swim also had the feeling of being too hot. However swim was in a club, so he couldn't measure temp. Some water and a visit to the (cooled) toilet helped a lot. Swim was quite sociable, but sometimes a bit rough in his humor. Music is great. Dancing too. It feels like a trippy and lightweight friend of mdma. Swim really appreciate the material. At T + 5 hours swim was going back home and he felt the effects were lessening. Swim slept fine, however he had some disturbing dreams. Probably due the GBL.

Retrospective:

Everything was hilarious like on marijuana. Body felt fine. No hangover whatsoever. No tiredness. Some headache on the come up. Some caffeine can help here.
Some CEV -geometrical, can be quite colorful and complex when in a darkroom resting. But nothing near the 'harder' psychedelics- and some marginal OEV. More like illusions than hallucinations. (Paintings look like TV's until one would look more carefully) There is not much introspection here. Just a fun chemical. On its own swim found there is a uncomfortable jitterness to it. GHB/GBL/Benzos are a good complement to it. Tolerance will go up fast. Swim took the chemical before sleeping on weekdays (10 mg)-to look for its effects on dreams- as test and within a week, he had to double his dose -going up like 10/10/10/15/20-. Can irritate the bowels somewhat. There is some willingness to repeat the experience, but it doesn't seem to be addictive. Just nice to do again in the right setting.

The dosing before sleep thing wasn't particularly good for swim's sleep quality. The dreams were interesting and detailed, but swim had some hard time to get asleep.

Some additional words. Swim never has very bad effects from the piperazine type of drugs. Unlike many others. This report is only anecdotal. Swiy might react entirely different on the same dosage and the same setting.

Reputation Comments on this post:

Great report, thanks.

[Pino]

Someone, who I don't know, did drop this into my email account:

Dear Swim,

Hello, I would like you to read the following experience. I hope it is useful to you! Time is in minutes, unless specified.

General information

Substance: Pfpp, beer, vodka, coffee.
Dosage: T+0 80 mg, T+100 +/- 15 mg + beer, T+140 beer, T+300 +/-15mg, T+400 20mg.
Duration of the total trip: 12 hours before sleep, 8 hours sleep, after effects 2 hours after sleep. Total duration (with sleep): 22 hours.

The experience

T + 0: 80 mg of pfpp was ingested. I took the bus to a friend. It would take 1 hour to start working. I didn't do any other drugs before the experience.
T + 20: Hmm, it seems the effects are coming up a little earlier than expected. I feel a fast upcoming warmth, which is spreading to my body. Someone is sitting next to me. I want to move a bit, but I better keep still.
T + 40: Almost there, almost there. Everything is breathing. Like a low dose of mushrooms. I have the feeling people are looking at me. I don't have my lenses in, so the world is even more warped than normal. I can't see eyes, when I am not wearing lenses. Quite scary now. People seem to have black holes, where their eyes should be. Everything starts to be a bit cartoonish.
T + 50: Woops, I almost got out the bus on the wrong place. I was trying to figure out were I was and then I recognized something and I almost hit the button, which was a bit stupid, because I only recognized something. It didn't mean the place was ok. The come up begins to be a bit harsh. Cold, warm, cold, warm. My heartbeat is somewhat elevated, but nothing to worry about. I want to move. The person next to me got out the bus, so I have some more space.
T + 56: I hear people talking about me. -Hahaha, he looks like a sheep.- I did a poor shave job this morning. (I was in a hurry). Or is this paranoia? I just ignore it. The bus stopped. I get out. I need to have space around me. I can't stay in the bus for another second. It is just a ten minutes walk from here. That's ok.
T + 60: The effects are getting stronger and stronger. Outside the bus, the effects are manageable. I only have it cold, which is a fine feeling. Everything is moving now. Objects are enlarging and coming towards me and are wobbling a bit. Lights are a bit distracting and sometimes they seem to strobe, if I don't look at them. Mental is fine. I am starting to feel a building euphoria.
T + 65: Unbelievable, I am lost and I don't like the neighborhood particularly. Normally I am fine here, but it is crammed with junks, alcoholists, all to suspicious policemen and somewhat aggressive youth. It can be really bad occasionally. Hopefully I can circumvent that kind of shit. Everything, which is man high, I interpret as human. Which don't help with the paranoia. I finally settle my angst by repeating I have the same physical capabilities as usual.
T + 70: I have found the way again. Every time I walk into a dark ally a random geometrical pattern is fired in my vision. I have hit the main road already. Just 5 minutes walk from here.
T + 75: Someone is screaming. I take a look, but it are just a bunch of guys on bikes. I am happy about that. Wouldn't know what to do in this state of mind. The sky is beautiful.
T + 80 At his home. I have almost spent 20 minutes for a walk of normally ten. I don't think, I am going to take it again, when traveling by bus. I am going to help him with a webQuest. -Some kind of nonsense thing, which he had to do for some university college- It is going quite nice. Good energy and a lot of creativity flowing.
T + 100: The thing is done. We drink some beer and he also takes 30 mg. I take an additional 30 mg, but then realizes that I already had 80 (after three gulps of the drink -not beer btw-).
T + 120: We are listening to some music. Some hard tech. It feels good. Dancing is fine. The alcohol seems to strengthen the effects. It gives a nice body high, which very resembles a medium dose of xtc. Strange GBL did the same. The coming up is also less rough.
T + 140: Another beer. Wow beers count as two, I am feeling like I drunk 4 beers now. Something emotional is coming along with the effects. His house is packed with all kind of tropical plants. He also has some growlamps hanging in his livingroom. The whole scene is surreal. It is really cool to look to the plants. The will morph a bit. When I close my eyes, there are some CEV. Nothing special. Boring almost. The visual disturbances of the opened eyes are nicer. Yet mild. Dancing even better.
T + 160: I go outside to cool down a bit. It is really cold outside. I go inside immediately after I got outside. I don't sweat. I think the feeling of warmth is something else than having it actually too warm. I did drink some extra water to be sure, though.
T + 200: Ok, I am kinda rolling to a peak. The effects go away and then it is getting really intense. At some point my feet seem to sink into the ground. The euphoria is great, however different from xtc. The stuff resembles better the effects of low to medium dose of mushrooms -with a rough upcoming, that has to be said- Laughing gives me some kind of tension headache on the back of my head. Unfortunately laughing is inevitable.
T + 300: Peak is done. Just feeling a stable and thorough euphoria. Most of the visual effects have left. Took the other half of my glass with pfpp in it.
T + 330: Hmm, the effect is growing a bit again. M is going to visit us - a shared girlfriend of us-, she said her friend quit with her. Oh man, this is going to be a rough evening. I am a little anxious about my reactions. I really start to think, taking pfpp tonight was really a bad idea. We talk a bit, some complex story follows. It seems like the guy was just really really angry about something. So I say there is a change that he will get back to you tomorrow night. The guy was going to visit us tonight and she says she is going too then. I say, that it is a bad idea. I am happy she thinks that is true. I almost saw myself between two fighting people. She leaves kinda relieved, the next day they are happily together again.
T + 400: Dancing is becoming a bit boring. So I want to go outside. Taking another 20 mg again. We take some fireworks with us. Outside the ambiance is really grim, which is kinda exciting. The effect is still really strong. Boosting seems to work.
T + 450: The walk was fun. Lots of talking, talking. Really spaced out now. It still is unbearable cold. We ignite some firework in a far away park. It feels really childish in a good way.
T + 470: One piece of firework didn't go off. So we have to search for it, because tomorrow a lot of children are playing here. It is night and it is cold. Searching is difficult.
T + 530: Found it! We only burned the paper around. We ignite it again. It is quite a blast and suddenly it seems to be a good idea to get out of the park. We decide to go to a house, where a friend of us is living. He is on holiday now, but we promised to give his palms some water, which seems fine now.
T + 560 Arrived there. The effect is still really strong. I begin to believe it is going to take a long time to wear off. Stacking this stuff is probably not the best idea there is. I still have minor OEV, like the patterns and the breathing. The talking business is still going strong. We eat a bag of chips and drink some vodka. The we are moving the palms -we realized there could be some frost today- in his house and give them some water. My friend is complaining about that the stuff gives him sometimes a negative jolt. He doesn't find it enjoyable all the time. Sometimes a little scary. I have to admit the effect feels like a warped version of mushrooms. Mushrooms are more smooth. This is more like a roller coaster.
T + 590: We decide to sleep there on the couch. The vodka hit us like a jack hammer. Sleeping is difficult. Minor headache is developing. Around my eyes and in the back of my head. When I massage the places it goes away. Seems to be related with some tension in the muscles there.
T + 650: Still not sleeping. We still managed to talk a lot about nothing.
T + 700: I probably felt a sleep. Dreams are really strange. However I can't remember a thing anymore.
T + 1180: I woke up, still feeling weird and a little spaced out. Pupils are back to normal though.
T + 1200: We drink some coffee. It seems to strengthen the effect again.
T + 1300: The effects were gone.

Retrospective:

The come up was really rough and fast compared to a low dose. The high dose and the stacking of pfpp enlarged the duration to 22 hours, which was a bit long. However the effect in general was really enjoyable. No hangover was noticed, only some tiredness due the lack of quality of sleep. The stuff can be more confusing than mushrooms at some times. It leaves the head less 'clear'. It is also not solely fun, in a bad atmosphere the effects of the drugs promotes negative feelings like paranoia. However it is quite a fun material, where laughing is really easy.
At some point there were some pretty nice OEV, however many of them seemed to make no sense. -Strobing lights, geometrical patterns, vague blobs, breathing an wiggling, moving points, some tracers- Even at such a high dose the oev's are still not stronger than on mushrooms or lsd. Some introspection was noticed at some point. And some useful ones too.
The headache I had was this time related with tension in his neck. Laughing seemed to worse this.
Music can steer the experience. Happy techno stuff gave euphoria. Gabber got me in a more grim state.

Greetings,

Big bird.

Reputation Comments on this post:

	Great report, thanks for sharing. Some more spacing would be nice, and there are some language errors though.
	Good Report

[Pino]

Introduction

Swim wants to add a little warning here. He was on a party yesterday of a girlfriend of his and he took some of the compound. He found the introspection this time was enormous. He also found it quite easy to talk about all kind of things. This seems to be really nice, but on a party were everybody is drinking alcohol, it gave some difficulties.

Swim is quite empathic and social from his own. Swim dislikes alcohol for this reason, it flattens him out. This was greatly enhanced due the compound. For some reason people on alcohol are quite social and open, but also seem to tend to look more at the negative sides of things if one tries to deepen the conversations. Swim would watch out a bit to use this on raves etc.

Also redosing seems to end in a long duration.

General

Dosage: 60 mg (20 + 40) + caffeine (5 redbull)
Setting: party
Effects: Extreme sociability, it also made swim quite easy to touch for the better or worse. It was a typical good/bad experience. Great awareness of social norms, personal morality and all kind of signals people were giving.
Aftereffects: Small but hefty depression (went away when the compound stopped working), some philosophical issues.
Peak: 3 hours
onset: 20 minutes
duration of trip (with aftereffects and sleep): +/- 15 hours
Scale precision: +/- 0.5 mg.

Experience

T + 0: Down the hatch. 20 mg. Pre-weighted before.

T + 20: Onset, swim starts to feel some undefinable warmth.

T + 40: Wow, the stuff is rough in the come-up. Swim is searching a quite place. He asks a friend if he can get some red bulls from his refrigerator (he is living in the neighborhood.)

T + 50: It is ok again. Swim really likes to talk now. But he talks a bit fast and a bit much. He tries to slow down a bit. He is also talking to a girl. The pressure to kiss her is beyond normal. He already has a girlfriend, so he can withstand it.

T + 70: The girl leaves the party and is sending a lot of signals to let me ask, if we going to drink some coffee or something like that. Swim is really conscious about body language. That is a nice feature. He begins to experience social norms consciously too. Interesting...

T + 90: Swim feels he wants some more. He adds 40 mg to the mix. This is also an experiment how to make the coming up less abrupt.

T + 160: Dancing was fun, but he got a bit overheated. Not much, enough to let him wanting to drink some water.

T + 180: Wowowow. Swim is peaking here. He is talking to the girlfriend, who organized the party. The introspection combined with the extra awareness of social norms and body language is driving swim a bit over the edge. He feels great though. It just isn't easy. This is definitely different than mdma. Much more difficult.

T + 200: She starts to cry, we talked about an ex-boyfriend of her and about the expectancies of society and about annoyances of the latter. Swim try to comfort her, it throws swim a bit of the balance. He suddenly feels a lot less than great to put it mildly. He didn't say strange things or something. He just talked.

T + 205: She tries to kiss him, but he tells her he already has a relationship. Was the crying a trick. He decides it is not, that is a idea society planted in his head. She asks lots of questions about it. He tells her about his monogamist's nature . It is just how he is.

T + 220: We are dancing again, but I am already talking to other people. It is difficult to shut up. He really wants to talk to someone about his anger towards society. It angers him some people don't understand, what personal responsibility is. An old ideal he gave up years ago seems to play up again.

T + 250: He refrain from talking anymore about those kind of things. It is really strange to see, how people react on alcohol. For some reason it isn't really fun to watch. Talking they seem to do is superficial. It just sedates them and fuck up their memories, so they can act as they please. Swim tries to combat the negative feelings a bit.

T + 280: Peaking again. Massive now. Swim gets a lot of attention. It is really difficult to determine how the compound is affecting swim. Does it make him only feel more positively about himself, but keep his normal critical attitude. Of course swim is talking. He sees all kind of fun associations in all kind of things. He scores as side effect a potential client for his own company. Now he is peaking even more. He feels a strong rushing sensation. Strange compound.

T + 300: Swim mind begins to feel tired or somewhat sedated, so he drinks some red bull.

T + 320: Swim is again dancing. His feet start to hurt a bit. The stuff misses the amphetamine push, which mdma has. However the effects are mentally a lot more diverse.

T + 380: He is sitting with his girlfriend -who organized the party- on a couch. We talk a lot about personal stuff. She has to cry again. Swim finds a bit intense. But for some reason he can't leave her alone. It isn't really uneasy from a social point of view. It is ok she cries, but it is just so intense. He really would like to kiss her. But her refrains from doing so, because it will do a lot more harm. It seems right though.

T + 460: Swim feels mentally really active. Only the four of them remained (two girls, swim and a friend of mine) He downed some more caffeine. Most people are almost sleeping or just listening things swim say.

T + 520: Swim feels it is done with the party. He says it is time to go. People are almost sleeping.

T + 530: We go to her room to get our jackets. She asks were swim sleeps, he tells her at his friend home. She seems to be a bit disappointed. Swim feel sorry for her. Instant intimacy comes with a price. Happily not a huge one. The whole evening was a disorienting mess. Was this because of the difference of mental states between swim and the crowd? The compound still isn't down.

T + 540: He tries to sleep, but get stuck in a negative thought pattern. Introspection is worthless for sleeping.

T + ?: Fall asleep.

(From T + 540) T + 300: Wakes up, he still feels a bit on the negative side. He doesn't loop though. Talking to his friend brings him up again. The stuff is a bit of a roller coaster.

T + 360: The stuff begins to wear off finally.

Retrospective

It is definitely a more difficult compound than mdma. It is closer to mushrooms in certain aspects of its effects. Especially on the social parts of the effects. It was a really interesting experience. He became more sensitive for social interactions than mdma and the experience had also a more introspective nature than mdma. It didn't mess with his perceptions on a visual way, but it did mess with his perceptions in other ways. He isn't sure if they got more sharp or they got more exacerbated?

The downside the effects were less predictability. It wouldn't be a good compound to use when going to a pub. Also swim found the effects of the crowd, which mainly was on alcohol combined with the effects of pfpp a bit difficult to handle sometimes. Intimacy was enhanced, while his libido was a bit decreased. This was maybe the main reason of the problems. The compound made him a bit unstable. Many thought loops, fast changes in moods etc. The duration is also very very long. It is not as intense as mushrooms though. But somehow it felt more intense than mdma. However comparing it would be difficult, because only in a low dose it feels a bit the same as mdma. ( <20 mg pfpp ) Above the nature of the compound changes.

Reputation Comments on this post:

	explains the exp clearly
	Fabulous report, thanks.

[Stephenwolf]

If anyone knows of someone who has dreamt of both mcpp and pfpp which would be be most recommended to dream of?

[bushman]

Are there any more experiences out there? SWIM is interested in trying pFPP and wondered how it compares to other piperazines, and if a persons appearance (face,eyes etc) is altered in any way?

[HerculeS]

Swim interesting, it is acceptable to smoke pFPP?

It is work in this case?