Can I use meth recreationally.

[runfrom MURDER]

Originally Posted by OzzBozz

Private school.

he has an advanced class

anyways, he's smart as hell but damn iunno even if SWIM can handle meth, sounds way too addicting! i'm Sure SWIM could, but the tweaker life style is fucking weird.

It is weird, if you let it become weird.

About that 4.* GPA guy that wants to try meth again; I would try to not let him get ahold of it again. Though there ARE users out there who can completely control their meth use, the chance that he could do that is way too small compared to the chance that it'll just fuck up his world.

[zera]

Somewhat related to the discussion: Paul Erdos, one of the greatest mathematicians of the 20th century was a meth addict (oral tablets, not crystal). He was once bet a large deal of money by one of his colleagues that he couldn't quit for a month, he managed to do so and after collecting the money told his colleague: "you've just set back the progress of mathematics by 30 days."

[static_vodka_420]

Originally Posted by cashflow

If swiy ever catches him with dope beat him and take it from him, also, not to be nitpicky but gpa only goes up to 4.0 so he must be real genious

AP (advanced placement classes) go up to a 5.0 to avoid killing a gpa with the more difficult classes

so an A s a 5

and a B is a 4 etc.

[ODB]

I didn't know grade point averages went to 4.2.

[imyourlittlebare]

there are places where they go up to 4.6. with honors classes and such in highschool. i dont know about the college level. im a 3.5 so i dont have to worry about that.

[iFeaRNLoathiNg]

really depends on the person, the life the person lives, the ammount of amphetamines consumed, it's really hard to tell. swim has seen people fall and seen people handle thier own. it all depends on the varibles

[kcfleecr]

Few that SWIM has met can control it, and even fewer are glad they started using. SWIM has always been good at controlling his use but given the chance to decide again would not have started.

[imyourlittlebare]

Originally Posted by kcfleecr

Few that SWIM has met can control it, and even fewer are glad they started using. SWIM has always been good at controlling his use but given the chance to decide again would not have started.

It almost sounds like a sense of control but the thought of quitting all together is impossible, correct?

Impossible: my definition is you "dont feel like it" "cant do it" "dont want to quit" it emphasizes some control over you but not in a dependent or distressing way.

[runfrom MURDER]

Even though SWIM has tuned down smoking meth to about once a week, he has been doing it for a year now. Yeah, he was at the stage of blowing $300 in a weekend, $80 in a day. But SWIM knew he couldn't live like that.

With that said, there is not a single day that he doesn't think about meth. It has a terrible grasp on his mind, and SWIM doesn't think it will ever go away...

[Beachhead]

Originally Posted by TheBlackPope

Now I want to know. Can swim use it recreationally?

My thoughts while reading this thread:

>i used to smoke cigarettes, which addiction-wise, is a little like meth. I've been smoke free for a little over a year now. My mind says, "I know that if I put just one cigarette to my lips to smoke 'recreationally' I'll open up the floodgates and become addicted to them all over again...and I'll go right back to smoking a pack a day. So you better not ever smoke again, unless you want to be right back where you started." What keeps me strong, what keeps me away from the "just one cigarette" scenario is knowing how hard it was to quit smoking. (It was very hard).

>long before I picked up my pack a day habit, whenever I drank alcohol I HAD to have a cigarette. That was a must. When the alcohol buzz wore off I had no compulsion to smoke and I'd put my cigarettes away until the next drink session. Now when I drink I don't allow myself to smoke, period. I just can't take that chance.

>lots of brains out there are turning and yearning trying to figure out how to use meth recreationally, trying to figure out if it's possible. I won't disagree with anything said thus far in this thread. It's all good, and it's a very interesting idea, if it can be pulled off. I'll give those who aspire to use meth recreationally this idea: perhaps you might want to try what the steroid users do, which is to cycle your usage on a strict, regimented basis. The typcial steroid cycle is daily use for 6-8 weeks on and then 3-6 months off. Another variation, and one that's not as popular, is to cycle steroids for two weeks on and then go off for two weeks, then back on for two weeks and so on down the line.

>there are some strong parallels between the meth user and the steroid user. Note that in the first steroid cycle variation, the 6-8 weeks on followed by 3-6 months off, the user is hating life during his or her off time. He/she loses strength and muscle, no matter how good their post-cycle therapy plan of strategy is. They are not able to lift the same poundage, and in the case of a track and field athlete, they are not able to run as fast. No matter what type of athlete we're talking about in this example, the athlete cannot wait for those 3-6 months to go by. They can't wait to get back on another cycle. Because like meth, life is so much better on steroids. Do not underestimate their state of frustration. Even for your local gym rat that lives down the street from you, the gym is their home away from home. Their self esteem is tied into how much weight they can lift and how good their body looks. Like drugs, they're so obsessed with "improving" their body that they'll tell everyone that they're "never satisfied with how their body looks." During the off portion of their cycle there is a lot of self-loathing. Suicide is uncommon, in case you're wondering. Suffice to say that for the athlete, there is no man made compound on earth that can compare to a steroid. (And no, creatine doesn't come close.) For them it is a godsend, and like others have stated, it really is a source worthy of being called "the fountain of youth."

>if you're gonna cycle meth like an athlete cycles steroids, the meth user will find it advantageous to do what the steroid user does: write down your daily intake and log it in a journal or on Notepad. To not do so would be what they call the "shotgun approach" and you'd wind up shooting yourself, figuartively speaking. Almost all steroid users note their usage in methodical fashion. The ones who don't are usually dumb teenagers, the ones who do are not smart, they're just doing what's right, what needs to be done. They note their intake so they don't take too much or take too little, and because they want to know what amount works. They strive to take the right amount that'll give them the biggest edge with the least side effects, a.k.a. "sides". And "the right amount" is based on anecdotal information gleaned from outside sources like the Internet, books, friends; and after time, personal experience. Recording your meth intake in religous fashion and seeing your numbers in black and white might be one key in using meth recreationally, if that's possible. Note that all of this is pure speculation on my part and not based on personal experience. I sincerely regret that I cannot say, "SWIM once used this method with meth and it worked like a charm, so if it worked for me it'll work for you."

>if you're going to record your intake of meth, you will also need to determine what time of the day you'll be using it. And then you need to stick to the alloted time slot. For example, some people might want to use it only when they get up in the morning and never after lunchtime.

>what's the point of recording your intake of meth on a daily basis? To keep from going overboard, to keep from getting addicted, to be able to use it recreationally. Now all you'd have to do is determine your schedule, a.k.a cycle. Will it be 2 days on/1 day off? Or 3 on and 2 off? Or some other cyclical variation?

[tweakerman]

"The addiction rate for meth is staggering. It is estimated that 40 to 45 percent of first-time users become addicted to the drug. For those not addicted the first time, 80 to 85 percent of those trying the drug a second time become addicted."
http://www.lycos.com/info/meth.html

If you did not become addicted on the first try consider yourself lucky and stay away from using it again. The second time you use you probably won't be so lucky.

Addiction to meth can be ugly, here's some of what you may experience when you are addicted to meth:

"Meth is addictive, and users can develop a tolerance quickly, needing larger amounts to get high. In some cases, users forego food and sleep and take more meth every few hours for days, 'binging' until they run out of the drug or become too disorganized to continue. Chronic use can cause paranoia, hallucinations, repetitive behavior (such as compuslively cleaning, grooming or disasembling and assembling objects), and delusions of parasites or insects crawling under the skin. Users can obsessively scratch their skin to get rid of these imagined insects. Long-term use, high dosages, or both can bring on full-blown toxic psychosis (often exhibited as violent, aggressive behavior). This violent, aggressive behavior is usually coupled with extreme paranoia. Meth can also cause strokes and death."
http://www.drugfree.org/Portal/Drug_...ethamphetamine

There is such a thing as weekend use, but Swim asks, isn't every weekend use the same as addicted? You can use meth once in a while without becoming dependent on it, meaning that you don't need it to function. You can be addicted without being dependent. If you need/want to use it every weekend, or once a month, or whatever, can you stop before you use? Is the weekend the same without meth? Think about the answers and Swim thinks you will know if you are addicted or not.

Here some questions to ask yourself to see if you might be addicted:

1. Do you ever use alone?
2. Have you ever substituted one drug for another, thinking that one particular drug was the problem?
3. Have you ever manipulated or lied to a doctor to obtain prescription drugs?
4. Have you ever stolen drugs or stolen to obtain drugs?
5. Do you regularly use a drug when you wake up or when you go to bed?
6. Have you ever taken one drug to overcome the effects of another?
7. Do you avoid people or places that do not approve of you using drugs?
8. Have you ever used a drug without knowing what it was or what it would do to you?
9. Has your job or school performance ever suffered from the effects of your drug use?
10. Have you ever been arrested as a result of using drugs?
11. Have you ever lied about what or how much you use?
12. Do you put the purchase of drugs ahead of your financial responsibilities?
13. Have you ever tried to stop or control your using?
14. Have you ever been in a jail, hospital, or drug rehabilitation center because of your using?
15. Does using interfere with your sleeping or eating?
16. Does the thought of running out of drugs terrify you?
17. Do you feel it is impossible for you to live without drugs?
18. Do you ever question your own sanity?
19. Is your drug use making life at home unhappy?
20. Have you ever thought you couldn’t fit in or have a good time without drugs?
21. Have you ever felt defensive, guilty, or ashamed about your using?
22. Do you think a lot about drugs?
23. Have you had irrational or indefinable fears?
24. Has using affected your sexual relationships?
25. Have you ever taken drugs you didn’t prefer?
26. Have you ever used drugs because of emotional pain or stress?
27. Have you ever overdosed on any drugs?
28. Do you continue to use despite negative consequences?
29. Do you think you might have a drug problem

http://www.friendsofchoices.org/TTT_meth.htm

[Expat98]

Originally Posted by tweakerman

"The addiction rate for meth is staggering. It is estimated that 40 to 45 percent of first-time users become addicted to the drug. For those not addicted the first time, 80 to 85 percent of those trying the drug a second time become addicted."

I'm not trying to downplay the risks of meth, but this is complete crap.

[givemeliberty]

[quote=tweakerman;434523]"The addiction rate for meth is staggering. It is estimated that 40 to 45 percent of first-time users become addicted to the drug. For those not addicted the first time, 80 to 85 percent of those trying the drug a second time become addicted."
http://www.lycos.com/info/meth.html

I wonder whose ass they pulled those statistics out of. I really love the part where they "estimate" some numbers and it is now a fact.

My very good friend just spent the night out in his garage/meth lab which he has had for 15 years now. He doesn't make it for resale. He has a friend who helps with supplies and labor. Every three months or so, after enough stuff has been collected, they get together in the garage/meth lab and make enough to hold them over until the next cook off.
They don't have a toxic dump in the yard, their kids are all normal, the paint on the house isn't peeling off from the fumes and not a single other person even has a clue what goes on out there.
One of them is a master electrician and the other one owns his own computer repair business.
Yeah, these are some really scary guys. They eat everyday and sleep every night (well, almost).
I guess everybody remembers "reefer Madness", right. It scared the shit out of Americans (stupid ones).
Now here's the DEA on TV showing how you can't even sell a house that had a meth lab in it.
People have walked right in on these two friends while they had a cook going and no one even noticed.
Yes, meth can screw you up. I got a little out of whack once or twice in 20 years. But aside from the voices in my head screaming at me all the time, I'm quite a normal guy who just gets a lot of stuff done on the weekends.

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