Can I use meth recreationally.

[yamman13]

If swiy wants a stimulant, why not just stick with ritalin or speed? its a lot, lot safer. theres a study on this site somewhere that shows how meth kills your dopamine receptors, so eventually you ll need it to feel happy. even crack doesnt do that.

[dpayne]

You should try and find swim and ask him. Becuase swim told me once he thourght he could never be addicted to anything and I told swim I didnt think you could either and asked swim how he could of avoided it or will know next time when to stop becuase like yourself I to was wondering can Meth be used recreationally.
And you know what swim told me? He looked me right in the eye and said mate its a roll of the dice, you never know. All I know is right now Ive got my shit half together and the only sure way to not end up down that road again is to stay away from Meth completelly cuase its the devil.
This has been enough of a scare to myself about meth seeing the look in swims eye to never wanna see the shit! I used to think each there own do what you want but the look in his eye that day changed me!

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Smart choice.

[chemlove]

If you already had an addiction then i would believe it would be really tough to not become addicted again. SWIM told me that Meth is a very strong drug that isn't the most expensive the two things combined can be very nasty with the wrong addictive personality.

[vantranist]

Can meth be used without getting addicted? ofcorse anyone who tells you otherwise doesn't know what their talking about.

Is it extreamly hard... yes.

Besides meth "addictoin" to SWIM wassent bad at all, if it was even an addiction, 2-4 times a week for months to years, SWIM never saught help because it simply wassent wanted or needed. SWIM recently moved to florida and hasent had any in months, if it was here he would use it, however its not and hes not looking for it.

However he still dreams about it and gets cravings in the mourning.

PS when i said wassent bad at all, doesnt mean it never made him feel like shit, because it most certainly did, what i mean is he never really wanted to quite, there was lots of pain and lots of pleasure, pleasure came out on top.


And to the comment about why not stick to another stimulant... The Euphoria simply isnt there... Thats the point isnt it? Coke has the euphoria but not as strong as meth to swim, but adderal/ritalin are a joke compared to meth in the euphoria department

[mr_pyrex]

Plain and simple and answer....absolutely NOT! It can not be done...I am a 27 year experienced user and NO IT CAN NOT Be DONE...anyone that says differently is LYING, you can lie to yourself and believe it can be done that isn't reality. Your answer is NO. It can be fun and it can give you goood times but it CAN NOT BE DONE RECREATIONALLY before it becomes a controller of your life. If you aren't a long term user...DON'T START....I CAN TELL YOU FROM THE OTHER SIDE>>>you will wish you never knew what is was...yes there are good things about it but the bad outweighs the good by soooo far! ) Mr_pyrex pyrex out of simple answers

[vantranist]

Originally Posted by mr_pyrex

Plain and simple and answer....absolutely NOT! It can not be done...I am a 27 year experienced user and NO IT CAN NOT Be DONE...anyone that says differently is LYING, you can lie to yourself and believe it can be done that isn't reality. Your answer is NO. It can be fun and it can give you goood times but it CAN NOT BE DONE RECREATIONALLY before it becomes a controller of your life. If you aren't a long term user...DON'T START....I CAN TELL YOU FROM THE OTHER SIDE>>>you will wish you never knew what is was...yes there are good things about it but the bad outweighs the good by soooo far! ) Mr_pyrex pyrex out of simple answers

Thats you're own opinoin based on personal expreinces...YOU couldent use it without it controling you... doesnt mean everyone cant... SWIM is a walking example of that.

and im sure theres many more.

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Quite right. But watch out - MethMadman is going to be jumping *all* over you with his narrow minded group therapy bulls...

[methMADMAN]

Once a person has shown a propensity for addiction to meth, no there are not "many" if any more. To a meth addict, meth is death! Why risk it? This particular addiction is UGLY!

[mr_pyrex]

No it is based on 27 years of experiences of dealing with me AND OTHERS it CAN NOT BE DONE RECREATIONALLY...it will control you in the long run...if you want proof of this just listen to Metallica's song Master of Puppet's....you won't control it for long... it WILL control you in the end. It isn't my opinion...it is a fact. You wanted the answer, you have the answer whether you choose to see it or not is your decision. Mind you I intend no disrespect towards anyone here. Pyrex out of answers ;-)

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tru dat

[Hydro9177]

In SWIM's opinion, hell no!

[runfrom MURDER]

Originally Posted by mr_pyrex

Plain and simple and answer....absolutely NOT! It can not be done...I am a 27 year experienced user and NO IT CAN NOT Be DONE...anyone that says differently is LYING, you can lie to yourself and believe it can be done that isn't reality. Your answer is NO. It can be fun and it can give you goood times but it CAN NOT BE DONE RECREATIONALLY before it becomes a controller of your life. If you aren't a long term user...DON'T START....I CAN TELL YOU FROM THE OTHER SIDE>>>you will wish you never knew what is was...yes there are good things about it but the bad outweighs the good by soooo far! ) Mr_pyrex pyrex out of simple answers

SWIM has gone from smoking it only at his guy's house during fun nights that included hanging with friends and talking, to picking his shit up by sneaking out then going home and snorting it during comfortable times.

But SWIM still uses the high recreationally...

[MrG]

Originally Posted by vantranist

Thats you're own opinoin based on personal expreinces...YOU couldent use it without it controling you... doesnt mean everyone cant... SWIM is a walking example of that.

and im sure theres many more.

Perfectly good point. Shame some people around here just can't bare to hear statements like that.

No-one and I repeat No-one would claim that Meth is an easy drug to handle but to completely whitewash the subject is just as bad as the government line.



Don't forget, once the kids started realising that the powers that be were lying to them about dope they stopped believing anything else they were told.

Tell the truth, don't scaremonger and don't be afraid to let people see both sides of the knowledge tree.

Personal opinion is just that, one single narrow viewpoint. The trick is to be able to learn from multiple personal opinions and to broaden that viewpoint.

[Bajeda]

Another question that should be asked if you are contemplating this issue is, "Do I want to use methamphetamine recreationally?"

Unless the high is something that you enjoy so much you absolutely can not consider an alternative (which would be a warning sign to stay away), I would think there are other substances out there that can produce somewhat similar effects or that are equally adequate for recreation or whatever purpose you were smoking for that are less risky to play with.

I can see trying meth a few times and then moving on, but I find it hard to imagine a sustained recreational meth habit that doesn't escalate into outright addiction. Unless you engage in extremely sparse and restrained use of methamphetamine, such as leaving months inbetween each use, I wouldn't even want to consider playing with this substance. The risks are so great, why take such a chance with your life? I think all the people on this forum who have experienced meth addiction first hand can tell you its not something you want to take chances with.


So to answer the original question, can someone use meth recreationally? I think they can... for a time. But unless the use is extremely infrequent or is very short lived, it is likely that the meth use will turn from recreational to 'necessary'. You can play with fire, but keep in mind at all times how easy it is to get burned.

For this Panda, meth was something to experience once or twice to understand what its all about, but the potential benefits don't have a chance of justifying the extreme risks involved.

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	sage words of wisdom!
	Good, smart advice.

[vantranist]

First of all recreational use means using it for nither medical, spirtual, or work... So if it controls you or not its still recreational.

SWIM is done tweaking and never regretted any of it... proof is right there.

[Expat98]

SWIM has been using meth recreationally for the past three years. He has successfully avoided flirting with addiction by limiting himself to using it an average of once every two months.

Because of all the horror stories about it, he avoided even trying it for a long time, as SWIM believes that he has an addictive personality, meaning that he tends to indulge in excess in whatever gives him pleasure (and that doesn't just mean drugs). But in this case he knows that meth truly is a dangerous drug, and he is very conscious of not wanting to go down the road of meth addiction, so he has not had a problem in over-indulgence.

The key to avoiding a problem is to set a limit for yourself and do not break it under any circumstances. SWIM began by setting a limit of once per month, but he found that that was too often for him because after he uses it, he is absolutely wrecked for about a week because it takes so much energy out of him. So now he uses it once every two months, as that gives his body more time to recover between uses.

So whatever your limit is, write it down. If you decide your limit is once every two months and you smoke some on August 26 then write down "October 26" on a piece of paper and don't use it again before then under any circumstances. (Not saying that everyone has to wait 2 months between uses...others might be ok using it a little more often.)

SWIM doesn't actually write the dates down because he is so afraid of the downsides of meth that he doesn't have a problem with using it more often than once every two months. But for others who don't find it so easy to refrain from using it, it seems like this method should work if they are truly serious about wanting to avoid becoming addicted. If you try this method and find that you can't stick to it then you better quit messing with it altogether.

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	re: can i use meth recreationally/good points in your post/signed "beachhead"

[JaWill88]

SWIM would bet his life on the fact that there hasn't been one person on this planet that used meth recreationaly their whole life. some people just quit before it gets too bad and others unfortunately have it the other way. unfortunately thats just the way things are

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the truth means little to the other posters

[Broshious]

Originally Posted by JaWill88

SWIM would bet his life on the fact that there hasn't been one person on this planet that used meth recreationaly their whole life. some people just quit before it gets too bad and others unfortunately have it the other way. unfortunately thats just the way things are

I hope you never actually make that bet. Perhaps there isn't anyone who hasn't used it their whole life, but I doubt many people would use a strong stim their entire lives simply because it'd get old.

[runfrom MURDER]

They're nothing better in life than the ride meth gives...

until it runs out.

[zera]

Of course one can use meth recreationally, the vast majority of people who try meth dont come away with any addiction. Dont believe me? Check out the National Household Survey on Drug Abuse here
http://www.oas.samhsa.gov/NSDUH/2k5n...66.htm#Tab1.1A

The number of people who tried meth in their lifetime is 10,357,000 and the number who have tried it in the last month is 512,000. Now I would say that you definitely cant be currently addicted to meth if you havent smoked it in the past month, so at most there are 512,000 (and most likely much less, since that 512,000 may be recreational users who have forrayed in the past month).

So at the very most we know that less than 5% of people who have ever tried meth have felt compelled to take it at any point in the past month, hence 95% of people who have tried meth are currently unnadicted to it. To compare the meth numbers to some other drugs, meth ranks slightly above heroin where 3.8% of users who have tried the drug in their life have used in the past month, but below cocaine (7.1%), stimulants in general (5.6%), and prescription pain pills (14%). In fact meth has only slightly higher numbers than ecstasy (4.3%).

The questions and the answers in this thread are a mis-match. The people advising against trying meth are mostly stressing how horrible the addiction is, not how likely it is, which seems to be what the original question was asking. You can have something thats still a bad idea, even if the bad outcome is highly unlikely. For example Russian roulette is a bad idea, even though its quite possible, in fact likely that you wont get your brains blown out. Same with meth, even if its a smaller chance of getting addicted to something else, like cocaine, it can still be a worse idea since meth addiction seems to be more crippling than cocaine addiction.

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Good counterpoint.

[methMADMAN]

Nice try, but here's why it's inaccurate and you can't draw any conclusion whatsoever from the table zera linked to. If we ask how many people used meth in their lifetime, and then ask how many in the past month, we might, if we had a kneejerk reaction to the data, draw the erroneous conclusion, much like zera did, that there is only a 5% chance of addiction. The fact though, is that, most likely, the majority of the people who tried meth in a lifetime, did it perhaps, once, perhaps a few times and saw what it did to other people before addiction had a chance to take hold.

If you've ever met serious tweakers, anyone with a lick of sense would run for the hills! So lets say that perhaps half of those who've ever tried it continued doing it, (and I assure you this is a generous estimate). So that brings the number up to about a 10% chance. Subtract out the number of people who struggled with meth use for a while, yet still did not become addicted per se, and quit after a short while of using meth regularly. You can pretty safely say that that should cut the number of people who've used it lifetime out of the equation, by, for the sake of the argument. by about, lets say half again.

Now we have a 20% chance of addiction assuming one continues to use regulary. Now remove from that the number of people who were addictid to the stuff, and I mean full blown nasty desparate pathetic meth addiction, but are in recovery. There's no knowing how many of those original people had become addicted but then gotten into recovery, but just for the sake of the argument that, again, half of them are cut out of the group who've used it in the lifetime. That brings us up to a 40% chance of addiction.

Let's go further; anyone who has ever hung out in the "tweak scene" knows how paranoid heavy tweakers get. Do you honestly even think for a minute, that a tweaker, who is currently using meth, is about to admit to their current usage for a government survey? If you do, please get in touch with me, because I have some wonderful beachfront property in South Dakota I can sell you at a rock bottom price!

Beyond any of this, knowing the horrible destruction and demoralization that a serious meth addiction can bring into your life, is taking any percentage of chance on it worth it?

The people around here don't believe any of the government studies that cast a shadow on drug use, yet they are quick to draw on studies that support their case. That's the real mis-match going on. "Hey lets mix and mach meaningless statistics and draw erroneous conclusions from them!"

Bottom line is, that chart is not even close to enough information to draw any solid conclusion on, and zera's post is nothing more than a wild stab in the dark at underplaying the risks of meth addiction. I consider the entire post offically DEBUNKED!

[methMADMAN]

Originally Posted by zera

Of course one can use meth recreationally....

That much of zera's post, I must confess is true, some can indeed use it recreationally and not be addicted, however those who are addicted still are under the illusion that htey are doing it recreationally too. The bottom line is it's a very risky game to play with one's life.

[cyndi]

Originally Posted by methMADMAN

That much of zera's post, I must confess is true, some can indeed use it recreationally and not be addicted, however those who are addicted still are under the illusion that htey are doing it recreationally too. The bottom line is it's a very risky game to play with one's life.

Agreed here too, some just don't prefer it to other drugs. Swim wishes that was her case but isn't unfortunately. She didn't get high on meth thinking oh I want to be a tweaker, yeah that is the life for me, woo hoo. It does tend to sneak up on you, and you don't even realize it. Some are giving me bad feedback for these comments but oh well if it saves someone from the hell swim went through, she doesn't care. Blast away!!! If one can use that demon drug and have a "good time" great, but very rarely does and swim knows lots of tweaks that say oh my goodness meth made my life so f -ing wonderful. I think I will get some in a week or two. Please. Get real people it isn't a good drug to get hooked on. It is the worst thing swim ever tried to quit. Even after a lot of clean time, one can get hooked with one little hit. It happened to swim don't think it won't happen to any of you. Methmm is about the only one that is giving sensible info imo. The rest get real and you shouldn't give the message oh it is ok to try. This I repeat again is a serious drug that will screw up your life. If you need sexual enhancements look at the mdma section. Even cola is easier to quit. Sorry mods if this is offensive but it is a serious deal to swim. This stinking drug has ruined swim's quality of life, took away two kids, and lost a brother, now if one doesn't think that is bad, get a reality check. Good grief swim sounds like Dr. Phil.

[lexmark]

Originally Posted by cyndi

Agreed here too, some just don't prefer it to other drugs. Swim wishes that was her case but isn't unfortunately. She didn't get high on meth thinking oh I want to be a tweaker, yeah that is the life for me, woo hoo. It does tend to sneak up on you, and you don't even realize it. Some are giving me bad feedback for these comments but oh well if it saves someone from the hell swim went through, she doesn't care. Blast away!!! If one can use that demon drug and have a "good time" great, but very rarely does and swim knows lots of tweaks that say oh my goodness meth made my life so f -ing wonderful. I think I will get some in a week or two. Please. Get real people it isn't a good drug to get hooked on. It is the worst thing swim ever tried to quit. Even after a lot of clean time, one can get hooked with one little hit. It happened to swim don't think it won't happen to any of you. Methmm is about the only one that is giving sensible info imo. The rest get real and you shouldn't give the message oh it is ok to try. This I repeat again is a serious drug that will screw up your life. If you need sexual enhancements look at the mdma section. Even cola is easier to quit. Sorry mods if this is offensive but it is a serious deal to swim. This stinking drug has ruined swim's quality of life, took away two kids, and lost a brother, now if one doesn't think that is bad, get a reality check. Good grief swim sounds like Dr. Phil.

THANK YOU swig!

for fuck sakes why would anyone suggest it could be done recreationally??? even if it were true it should never be stated because some dumb kid will read it and think "oo well....if he did it and never got addicted then maybe I can to"....and then another life gets fuked

swim has seen to many friends ruin their lives because of meth, just stay the hell away from it even if you have strong will power and think you can take it.

[JaWill88]

SWIM used meth recreationally for a couple years. did it maybe a couple times a month. snorted smoked and iv. SWIM has never really felt the need to do it. SWIM just thinks that can happen only for so long until someone does become an addict.

[cyndi]

Originally Posted by JaWill88

SWIM used meth recreationally for a couple years. did it maybe a couple times a month. snorted smoked and iv. SWIM has never really felt the need to do it. SWIM just thinks that can happen only for so long until someone does become an addict.

Well being an addict doesn't happen overnight imo. It took years for swim to realize it. She pretty much said what all happened so won't rehash it again. Swim wishes swiy the best.

[lexmark]

swim has wanted to try meth for a while and knows its an awesome high but he also knows that if he has access to a constant supply he will loose all his cash and get disowned by his family.

swim has been warned by many many friends about meth and he now has a fear for the drug and hopes to never try it.