Can I use meth recreationally.

[TheBlackPope]

Ok swim used to tweak it up a lilttle bit back in the day (over a year and a half ago)

He would smoke 2 times per week and did that for about 4 months.

Now most people in the rehab told swim he was incredibly lucky to use for 4 months w/o becomming majorly addicted (they tried to convinse swim that he was an addict to meth doing 2/week....)

Now I want to know.

Can swim use it recreationally?

I have heard only that meth is EVIL and that almost no one can use it recreationaly.

swim not intending on sleepless nights, just smoking speed before the day goes and smoking bud to pass out at night.

Es posible?

I'm just wondering what others have to say about meth rec.

[TheBlackPope]

Swim forgot to mention that he did go through about 6months of heavy meth addiction that he never mentioned to the rehabs for shame reasons.

[old hippie 56]

Can swim guarantee himself just to do a little bit and walk away. That where addiction kicks in, a little bit more turns into a lot.
Just buy enough to last one day, and stay away from your tweaking buddies.

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bad advice but at least you have some knowlege about meth

[augentier]

Old hippie gives you good advice...how much do you trust yourself? How's that will power of yours? If you're strong and sensible, you could of course manage to use it recreationally. A friend of mine used to have problems with meth, and got clean, and now she will only buy it when all bills are paid, all obligations are fulfilled, etc etc..and if she has money for it after that, she will treat herself (enough for night or two). Maybe that approach could work for swiy

[advanc3d]

swim tried meth twice in the past 2 month
usually swim and his friend split 1 point between them selves for the enitre night.
they spent smoking it for a few hours untill all was finished.

never once swim felt the slightest bit of craving for meth, tho he had one of the worst comedown imaginable
swim actually thinks he has cravings of less that nothing for it (if thats possible)

what does this all mean??

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It means your lucky, be careful!

[kingspade42o]

stay away from meth and crack! pop some adderal or something.

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	need to work on your replies
	very Misguiding Info.

[methMADMAN]

Originally Posted by kingspade42o

stay away from meth and crack! pop some adderal or something.

In other words, avoid the 300# gorilla on your back, opt instead for the 150# chimpanzee.

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	good reply
	LOL. 150 lb Chimpanzee. Must remember that one.

[OzzBozz]

SWIM belives that any drug can be used safely in moderation... Meth is no exception. SWIM really hates the drug, but SWIM also has friends whom use occasionally and are very functional and not addicted.

[advanc3d]

i agree with comment above
i never felt ONE bit addicted

[methMADMAN]

Functional does not necissarily mean not addicted. There is a such thing as a functional addict....Swim never lost his job, even though swim's job was 365 days a year 7 days a week with no day off....Swim held that job til after swim quit meth. Swim ws shooting masses of that shit too.

[imyourlittlebare]

hey man i posted in that heroin no more bs thread again with some more sources about the effects of opiates. i mentioned meth too and how it increases branching from the nucleus accumbus while opiates destroy it. with that said. meth just doesnt seem like a social drug. i dont know. swim tried one. it seems like a thing that one uses to experience pleasure and wanna have sex....from what i hear. i can get you some sources later after work but the neuroscience being said something that builds branching in that brain area seems very..... not recreational. you know? my opinion though i wouldnt mind sources refuting me i like new knowledge.

[izzy31]

Yes meth can be used recreationally but make sure swiy has a good and solid definition for the words "recreational" and "habit"

[TheBlackPope]

Does the fact that wim was addicted to it before have any effects on whether or not swim gets back into the game?

Like..in AA and the addiction model or w/e when u become an addict u remain an addict for the rest of your life... like you can never go back to using your drug of choice again, period.

I personally don't belive this but want to hear what others have to say.

[methMADMAN]

Swim has tested it all swim's life, and sadly, it is correct, once an addict always an addict. Sure swiy can get control of it for a while, ususally just about long enough to fool swiyself, then POW, it slams swiy back to the ground again. I know this from LONG, HARD, PAINFUL experience. And addiction picks up as if you had never stopped. It alwys gets worse never better. Sorry to tell swiy so, but if swiy likes go try it some more, but don't be surprised when it goes badly.

[imyourlittlebare]

i dont think they are trying to be dicks or anything. that mentality just works for alot of people. if you avoid the substance you avoid risk of trouble with the law. and also if you have that mentality you , in theory, should never have the substance even once again. i think thats beneficial because there will always be "one more time" whether its a week or a month or even years. if you hold that mentality and take it "day by day" i think they have a very beneficial system for those seeking help. however i do not like their stance on methadone treatment. alot of narcotics anonymous are against that at least in my area. can anyone else colloberate?

[Broshious]

Originally Posted by methMADMAN

Swim has tested it all swim's life, and sadly, it is correct, once an addict always an addict. Sure swiy can get control of it for a while, ususally just about long enough to fool swiyself, then POW, it slams swiy back to the ground again. I know this from LONG, HARD, PAINFUL experience. And addiction picks up as if you had never stopped. It alwys gets worse never better. Sorry to tell swiy so, but if swiy likes go try it some more, but don't be surprised when it goes badly.

I have to disagree with you there only because you used the word ALWAYS. I'm sure there's at least one person out there that was addicted to something, and now manages to use it without becoming addicted to it again.

[methMADMAN]

Perhaps so, but it's an extremely rare occurance if so.

[Broshious]

Originally Posted by methMADMAN

Perhaps so, but it's an extremely rare occurance if so.

I agree. I was just being picky =P

[yamman13]

If swiy wants a stimulant, why not just stick with ritalin or speed? its a lot, lot safer. theres a study on this site somewhere that shows how meth kills your dopamine receptors, so eventually you ll need it to feel happy. even crack doesnt do that.

[dpayne]

You should try and find swim and ask him. Becuase swim told me once he thourght he could never be addicted to anything and I told swim I didnt think you could either and asked swim how he could of avoided it or will know next time when to stop becuase like yourself I to was wondering can Meth be used recreationally.
And you know what swim told me? He looked me right in the eye and said mate its a roll of the dice, you never know. All I know is right now Ive got my shit half together and the only sure way to not end up down that road again is to stay away from Meth completelly cuase its the devil.
This has been enough of a scare to myself about meth seeing the look in swims eye to never wanna see the shit! I used to think each there own do what you want but the look in his eye that day changed me!

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Smart choice.

[chrisbx]

I disagree with the comment about being and addict and staying an addict. 12 step programs have there use but in telling you that you can not be cured and putting your faith in 'god' (what or who ever that may be to the individual) is the only way to solve a problem is not evidence or sience based.

Swim used E, coke, lsd and raved for several years certainly paid a high price and swim would concider the usage to be problematic requiring abstinance from all substances.

However once swim got to a certain point swim found it possible to dip in and have a mad one and have some recreational fun.

Everyone's experience is unique and some people will need to keep away as they cannot do the recreational thing where as some can.

Meth is going to have addictive qualities the same as all the othe stuff swiy enjoys - its not the drug but the person that defines addiction.

[chemlove]

If you already had an addiction then i would believe it would be really tough to not become addicted again. SWIM told me that Meth is a very strong drug that isn't the most expensive the two things combined can be very nasty with the wrong addictive personality.

[vantranist]

Can meth be used without getting addicted? ofcorse anyone who tells you otherwise doesn't know what their talking about.

Is it extreamly hard... yes.

Besides meth "addictoin" to SWIM wassent bad at all, if it was even an addiction, 2-4 times a week for months to years, SWIM never saught help because it simply wassent wanted or needed. SWIM recently moved to florida and hasent had any in months, if it was here he would use it, however its not and hes not looking for it.

However he still dreams about it and gets cravings in the mourning.

PS when i said wassent bad at all, doesnt mean it never made him feel like shit, because it most certainly did, what i mean is he never really wanted to quite, there was lots of pain and lots of pleasure, pleasure came out on top.


And to the comment about why not stick to another stimulant... The Euphoria simply isnt there... Thats the point isnt it? Coke has the euphoria but not as strong as meth to swim, but adderal/ritalin are a joke compared to meth in the euphoria department

[mr_pyrex]

Plain and simple and answer....absolutely NOT! It can not be done...I am a 27 year experienced user and NO IT CAN NOT Be DONE...anyone that says differently is LYING, you can lie to yourself and believe it can be done that isn't reality. Your answer is NO. It can be fun and it can give you goood times but it CAN NOT BE DONE RECREATIONALLY before it becomes a controller of your life. If you aren't a long term user...DON'T START....I CAN TELL YOU FROM THE OTHER SIDE>>>you will wish you never knew what is was...yes there are good things about it but the bad outweighs the good by soooo far! ) Mr_pyrex pyrex out of simple answers

[vantranist]

Originally Posted by mr_pyrex

Plain and simple and answer....absolutely NOT! It can not be done...I am a 27 year experienced user and NO IT CAN NOT Be DONE...anyone that says differently is LYING, you can lie to yourself and believe it can be done that isn't reality. Your answer is NO. It can be fun and it can give you goood times but it CAN NOT BE DONE RECREATIONALLY before it becomes a controller of your life. If you aren't a long term user...DON'T START....I CAN TELL YOU FROM THE OTHER SIDE>>>you will wish you never knew what is was...yes there are good things about it but the bad outweighs the good by soooo far! ) Mr_pyrex pyrex out of simple answers

Thats you're own opinoin based on personal expreinces...YOU couldent use it without it controling you... doesnt mean everyone cant... SWIM is a walking example of that.

and im sure theres many more.

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Quite right. But watch out - MethMadman is going to be jumping *all* over you with his narrow minded group therapy bulls...