Drug info - London Underground Doves

[dave414]

A mate tried 1 dove and said it was like mdma but without the bells and whistles. Felt like an booze hangover in the morning. His message to you is to get a testing kit and stick to the real deal.

[dave414]

My mate tried london underground doves and said it was like mdma but without the bells and whistles. The hangover in the morning was like you had been out on the piss all night. He said to get a testing kit and stick to the real deal.

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[Richard_smoker]

Originally Posted by Broshious--ORIGINAL POST

...mecke tested..(result is)..yellow...(meaning DXM, or some cathinone)...after about 20-30 minutes he felt himself coming up. A fair amount of euphoria with a pretty nice, but very short peak. The come up was reminiscent of Methylone but nowhere near its strength. Pupils were very dilated. Some music enhancement, but not much. SWIM would say the overwhelming effect of this substance is speediness. Very very nice for a "legal" high.

everything I've read so far from OP and remaining thread makes this stuff sound EXACTLY like mephedrone!

Swim's TR is not yet posted, but he found this to be an accurate description of meph...

1. ketone (legal in UK),
2. cathinone-relative,
3. 20-30 min to kick in,
4. short peak,
5. very similar to methylone,
6. a real stimulant (unlike methylone, imo)
7. yet also induces very REAL MDA/MDMA euphoria...

regarding #7: swim says it was so good that if he'd gotten this sold as "ecstacy", then swim would have probably BELIEVED IT...maybe just assumed that the #mg count was just a bit underdosed! Otherwise, it was almost EXACTLY like the real-deal in the loviness, happiness, ?serotonin/dopamine surge.

perhaps no one has brought up this possibility because of those israeli "legal highs" that were shut down a while back...if I remember correctly, those products were found to contain meph & others. right?

-DICK

[Benga]

Originally Posted by Richard_smoker

everything I've read so far from OP and remaining thread makes this stuff sound EXACTLY like mephedrone!

Swim's TR is not yet posted, but he found this to be an accurate description of meph...

1. ketone (legal in UK),
2. cathinone-relative,
3. 20-30 min to kick in,
4. short peak,
5. very similar to methylone,
6. a real stimulant (unlike methylone, imo)
7. yet also induces very REAL MDA/MDMA euphoria...

regarding #7: swim says it was so good that if he'd gotten this sold as "ecstacy", then swim would have probably BELIEVED IT...maybe just assumed that the #mg count was just a bit underdosed! Otherwise, it was almost EXACTLY like the real-deal in the loviness, happiness, ?serotonin/dopamine surge.

perhaps no one has brought up this possibility because of those israeli "legal highs" that were shut down a while back...if I remember correctly, those products were found to contain meph & others. right?

-DICK

regarding n°7, the critter finds MDMA empathy and loved up feeling totally different from "mephedrone", which after some experimenting has been classified as a pleasant stimulant, which can be very strong in higher doses, but with also very negative psychophysiological side-effects- stronger than other stimulants for them- notably on vision, mood ( more so than methylone) and other aspects, such as mephedrone stinking sweat.... however pleasant the experience is, the price to pay seems very high, as detailed in the mephedrone experiences section.

but similar to MDMA ? methylone feels much closer, which is to say that it feels pretty distant in the critter and friends' experiences.

b

[Richard_smoker]

Benga,

I KNEW you were going to say that!!

I've been putting off posting swim's meph TR's... I guess that whenever the time is "RIGHT," swim's experiences will tack right on the ass-end of that giant big meph thread that you've made quite a few contributions to yourself...well, anyways, here's what I wanted to tell you: I don't know HOW this could be true, but my experience is almost night-and-day compared to your experience!

now, swim could never really get THAT Much out of methylone...mostly what swim got out of a methylone blow-out, was the realization that if he opens the baggie up, he is going to keep doing more and more and more!

now, not to say that methylone isn't great. because it is. as we know, its structure is almost the exact same as real MDMA.

and yes, going into this recent meph excursion, swim was FULLY aware that this drug is NOT based around an MDMA molecule (unlike methylone). SWIM figured that, at best, it MAY be a little reminiscent of it's father molecule: methcathinone.

so, despite know ALL THIS INFO, despite realizing that speaking publicly (well, on here!) as to the strong mda/mdma surge of love & happiness & every inch of swim's body feels really unbelievable to touch, I was going to post that experience anyway, despite the fact that I already expected some HUGE criticisms....

I mean, I've tried to figure this out to absolutely NO AVAIL. i mean, i guess i know what people mean now when they refer to "surges of serotonin" when describing any given compound...I *THINK* that's what sets this bad-boy away from the pack in terms of other stimulants's effects...this is not based on any research, but i believe that the meph (Methyl-Methcathinone) somehow reaches the serotonin on-off switch and then cranks UP the release of pre-stored vesicles--well, that's the only thing I could think of to explain the way swim felt.

another thing that should be noted. This is swim's FIRST TIME to take any RC in the known universe without being under the constant influence of mod-high doses of SSRI's. (except some dxm & a few tryptamines like foxy & AMT that came up prior to the SSRI's)

Seriously...oh, and 1 more thing....swim's wife was not NEARLY as impressed as swim was....In fact, after swim realized she was just sitting in the same place, still watching t.v. swim *KNEW* that something was very different about the way that stuff worked in SWIM'S BRAIN compared to how it affects other people. I have no idea why this would be the case--MAYBE swim has got a fucked-up receptor-bed or something...not sure.

Benga, this is kinda funny--after I'd read all through that giant meph thread, looking for something, anything positive--it was finally YOUR posts that made me think "I don't even want to try this stuff...it sounds like CRAP!" Fortunately for swim, the order had already been placed (with the MMC tagged along as an afterthought). 2g disappeared faster in less than a week. and wanna know something else? no tolerance to any effects were noted.

do you think it has something to do with taking SSRI's for so many years, and then now being OFF of them?

thanks everyone, -DICK

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interesting, but maybe should be in the meph exp thread.

[Mona Lisa]

rumours have been going around on one or two other related forums of them containing butylone but that LU have recently recalled them (at least in UK) and that the formula will be changed yet AGAIN, possibly due to legal/analog issues. There have been recent reports of almost all the UK vendors recalling their batches simultaneously which seems rather odd.

[Richard_smoker]

those fucking assholes...apparently LU won't ship doves or summer daze to the U.S. -DICK

[Alfa]

Some considerations about London Underground and Mephedrone:
London Underground has been releasing dangerous products without listing their content. Neuroblast turned out to contain really high and dangerous doses of Diphenyl-2-Pyrrolidinyl-Methanol (diphenylprolinol) and sent many people to the hospital. 'Herbal' High Neuroblast turns out to contain diphenyl-2-pyrrolidinyl-methanolThis really is not a company that I would easily trust my health to. Note that they took up Diphenyl-2-Pyrrolidinyl-Methanol (diphenylprolinol) after another company turned it down because of the dangers. London underground then doubled the dose. For more info about the dangers of Diphenyl-2-Pyrrolidinyl-Methanol (diphenylprolinol) , see the dedicated topic: Diphenyl-2-Pyrrolidinyl-Methanol (diphenylprolinol) trip reports

On the topic of mephedrone: it might have escaped your attention that there have been deadly accidents with mephedrone in the past months. See: Possible mephedrone death
Note that mephedrone is a very new substance. The fact that people are already dying is a clear red flag.

[Richard_smoker]

thanks alfa... 2 words come to mind... FUCK THAT!
-DICK

[Mona Lisa]

SWIM has tried both mephedrone and the London Underground Doves (not together of course). THeir effects were entirely different. She found meph more like a cross between MDMA and Coke. The LU Dove was more like a speedy methyone feeling which makes her wonder if it might have contained butylone.

[Panthers007]

A certain SWIM around here is in need of some medical advice: Perhaps this SWIM is finding his judgment a bit on the compromised side of the realm from their experiments with this substance. I council SWIM should step back and wait before any further inquiries are made of this material. Time to embrace objectivity.

[Richard_smoker]

not that I would try this crap...but thought I would add two new cents to the discussion. a little bird told swim that he'd heard from a really reliable source that it is butylone--bk-MBDB.

Thanks Mona Lisa (seriously, but you weren't the source I mentioned...i don't think it was you, anyways!) -DICK

[bennett211085]

SWIM necked three LU doves and felt absolutely nothing from them at all?

[Durd1e]

Just a side note really - no one here needs to be convinced of the shadiness of LU. They have recently changed the fornmula of doves and of summer daze and then *retrospectively* advised consumers. In general the new daze seem to be stronger and more stimulating but less pleasant. Swim hasn't tried the new doves yet.

[Crashgordon08]

Originally Posted by bennett211085

SWIM necked three LU doves and felt absolutely nothing from them at all?

Were they Double Stack or Single?

[SirLancalot]

Swim just had a great night on these, double dropped. Swim has tried Enjoi E-party pills, Diablos, AM-Hi Co Doves, Summerdaze and these are easily the best. really nice comfortable euphoric loved up high with no horrible paranoia and swim has done them twice now. maybe its all down to personal taste and different pills work differently for different people but these are vert close to MDMA

[ollienor]

SWIM 'analyzed' these and found that the experience was as follows:

subtle coming up
e-like feeling
lots of energy
NO GURNING
no sweating
sociable
no comedown
could sleep after about 12 hours
woke up feeling right as rain

overall, pleasant, but not intense. nice for a party

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[port 21]

Swim has used Doves quite extensively, as with any substance, too much is bad, he kept it to perhaps once a month.
Swims first experience with LU doves:

Swim started off by dropping half a pill with a friend (theyre quite expensive), came up about 25 minutes in, its quite gradual, it creeps up. And it gave some pretty profound effects, swim became full of energy, and had nice waves of happiness, he chatted non stop to his friend, and kept interupting his friend who was equally chatty becuse he'd think of something to say, ten think of something else, and forget what he originally wanted to say, it was an odd feeling, but pleasant. Coming up and coming down he did experience neuasia and felt a bit sick, like that acidy feeling at your tonsils before your going to heave, but it passed. Also got quite bad gurning. Peak after about half an hour after the onset. Swim experienced effects, in a nutshell, similar to the "not so legal" doves....

Swim is coming down from his 7th lu doves experience, and is feeling a tightness at the back of the mouth, near the tonsils, the same kind of feeling one would have before being sick, which is a bit annoying.
Swim also experiences pretty bad gurning from the onset of the doves, which is annoying, chewing gum helps a lot though.

Swim hangs out at a local headshop a lot, and was talking to the co owner, and they have told swim that on an empty stomach, you get the most rpofound results. As swim types this, his stomach is growling (he had a packet of crisps and a chocolate bar today, and its 6pm).
Swim also found out that juice high in vitamin C helps the buzz a lot, swim also drank half a litre of tropicana, and he owes half of the buzz to that.
If SWIY is looking for the active ingredient, one might want to start looking for substances which can react with vitamins.

Swim wouldnt recomend drinking alcohol on lu doves, they dehydrate pretty bad, but the advantage they have over the illegal variations is, they dont cause urinary retention, so as swiy is drinking, he can piss okay as well, although swim hasnt tested this fully, so swiy shouldnt go drinking gallons of water, as it can turn out pretty nasty. (leah betts anyone? Sodium deficency from too much water)


And lastly, swim has found that lu doves contain the following ingredients:

Ketones, Dicalcium Phosphate, Magnesium Sterate

Possibly more they havent mentioned?
Swim may call LU tomorow, swim knows that if there is another chemical, they wont disclose it, but swim will ask if that is THE ONLY chemicals in them, they should technically asner the question, swims friend phoned a company who sells legal weed substitutes (it rhymes with Rice) and they refused to tell him what chemical did what or any in depth conversation, but assured him they were the only chemicals present. Swim guess's they probably get calls from undercover police, probing them to slip up and tell them how many to drop, or their effects on the human body.
Swiy rung them and said "hi, i bought some <RICE> and was wondering if it contains anything that isnt listed on the packet, as i put it in my inscence burner and the fumes made me quite ill" (see how siy did it? The product is labelled as an incence.
Swim intends on calling up and saying he is worried about his plants and wants to know if there is anything not listed in it because they are making the plants wither"

Anyway, swim hopes this served swiy somehow.
Swim peaked an hour ago and will edit with any positive/negative effects during comedown.


-SWIM



EDIT: It has been almost 1hr since swim felt himself start to come down, and he feels pretty normal. Gurning has pretty much stopped, apart from the odd clench every few minutes, jaw muscles are aching a little at the back, teeth/gums dont hurt unlike swims experiences with illegal pills after the gurning, probably due to the chewing gum. Neuasia has subsided completly, he feels a little sick, but believes its because he is so hungry. Mouth very dry, but subsided after a glass of water and a chewing gum.
In all, out of 7 experiences with LU doves, its another sucess. Its 6/7 sucess rate

swim did the following:

1st-Dropped one at a nightclub on drum and bass night, slight speedy effects, lasting only minutes, quite a disappointment.
2nd-Dropped 2 at a friends house, effects same as shown in report above
3rd-Dropped 1 in the study room at school during the last week (no class's all day as teacher absent, and all coursework finished)
4th-Dropped 1 in the pub, no euphoria, just very chatty and relaxed, kept the alcohol consumption to a minimum (2 beers).
5th-Dropped 1 at 6th form leavers prom, drunk equal amounts of water and alcohol. effects same as shown in report above, minus the excessive talking
6th-Ground one up into fine dust and put into a water bottle and shaken, and drunk over about 2 hours. Very mild effects, but longer lasting.
7th- Read report above for in depth analysis.


Very nice. Swim is happy, and has a nice afterglow, and is going to go eat some f*cking food!



Further edit: Swim would like to add. Almost no increase in pupil size occured during his experience above. Perhaps a candidate for swiy if someone such as collegues, parents or teachers are prone to checking swiy out when they walk through the door after a night out. Dont take swims word for it though, swiy should get about 4 hours free at home or at a friends, drop one and see how it effects swiy.



FURTHER, FURTHER EDIT:

Ive been doing my research, i showed above the ingredients that are apparently in the LU doves.
Ive been researching these chemicals:

Ketones - found in paints etc to stop it degrading (perhaps what gives it the shelf life?) Known to change metabolism.

Dicalcium Phosphate - wikipedia: "mainly used as a dietary supplement in prepared breakfast cereals, dog treats, enriched flour, and noodle products." No killer there. lol.

Magnesium_stearate - Used as a filling agent, wiki: ".. Because it is widely regarded as harmless, it is often used as a diluent[1] in the manufacture of medical tablets, capsules and powders."

Assuming they are in fact the only 3 chemicals, it would have to be the ketones doesnt one think?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketones

Above is the link to the article, have a read through, its interesting. Doesnt seem too shady.

[equinox3o0o]

hmm is this the new improved forumla cos SWIM had some mind candy and that was absolutely horrible oh and btw FORGET about the pills its all about METYHLONE its amazing swim current on it now so GOOOOD!!

[port 21]

Swim has some rather major edits to his dove report above.

Swim went to bed around 11.30, as he thought that if they would keep him awake, he wanted to get as much REST as possible, not necessarily sleep.
Swim put headphones in and listned to a ricky gervais podcast. Swim closed his eyes and everything was like black and white kaleidoscope (sp?). Trippy but pretty awesome. The podcast was like 2 hours long, and after almost no time at all, it ended. The doves seemed to have detached swim from reality by making him concentrate on these patterns inside his eyelids, at the center of which there was a strange bluey/green cloud-like ball.
What was very weird was that the podcast made a reference to a Stalk (the bird), and as that was said, in the middle of patterns, the blue/green ball formed the shape of a stalk, for about 2 seconds, then fizzled back out.

One thing occured to swim, it was like 3am, and he hadnt got any sleep, he wasnt tired, and he didnt care. Very mild happiness coarsed over swim, and he just layed back, eyes closed.
At this time, swim remembered that he hadnt taken a leak in quite a while, and got up to go, but couldnt. Swim doesnt think this is due to water retention. He tried about 20 minutes later, and all was good.

Swim also thinks he has found a canidate for drug to produce vivid dreams, swim finally got to sleep around 4am, (and woke up about 9am). During this sleep, swim experienced VERY vivid, and sometimes alarming dreams.
He wrote down as much as he could the second he woke up, as it was very fleeting:

He said the following

felt like i was flipping backwards through the air, an odd feeling of weightlessness took over, and my bac seemed to ache/hurt like i was curled backwards flipping. I then felt like i had landed on grass or cloth and was suffocating. I woke up, but shortly went back to sleep. I dreamed that i was sniffing coke, something i had promised myself i wouldnt do, then the dreams seem to be too fleeting for me to remember.

What i find incredibly odd is that before swim hit the hay, he watched the documentary on legal high's, where it shows someone sniffing legal powder.

Then listened to the podcast, where they talked about virgin galactic and weightlessness.


Swim really thinks that during the afterglow he was still being effected quite extensively on a more mental rather than physical level.

Anyone else experienced anything similar?
CEV's? or anything?

Maybe the ketones, in actual fact, play a role in the mind altering state:

"work has shown that ketone bodies may treat neurological diseases such as Alzheimer's and Parkinson's disease,[5] and the heart and brain operate 25% more efficiently using ketones as a source of energy."

The last bit is interesting. Like, what exactly do they mean by "operate more effectively"?

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Originally Posted by bennett211085

SWIM necked three LU doves and felt absolutely nothing from them at all?

Please elaborate.

The situation swiy was in?
Was swiy drinking alcohol?
Especially, had swiy eaten a lot before dropping? Eating a lot before dropping lowers the effects to almost nil. Thats why swim, as seen in previous posts, didnt eatn hardly anything throughout the day before dropping, to get the best effects.

[shadowchaser]

swim has tried LU doves a couple of times and recently tried butylone and the effects of both to him were strikingly similar. though he didn't have to go to hospital after the lu doves.

[merryfolk]

It seems the LU Doves have been found to contain bk-MBDB (approx. 120 - 140mg) and mCPP

Anyone any idea of how much mCPP is in them?

[tummy_bug]

Swims granny got a packet of these yesterday. She liked the idea that they may contain bk-mbdb but not mCPP. As she is always wary of trying any pills especially ones that does not state the exact ingredients she tried half a pill while working on the computer.

The dose was taken crushed up and dissolved (as best it could be in water), she started to feel the effects from 20 mins on peaking around the 1hr mark. Swims granny told him that she found herself more distracted and eventually after getting no work done in about half an hour decided to watch two films before she went to bed (sleep was only mildly more difficult for her to achieve although swims granny is a very heavy sleeper and normally doesn't have too many problems).

She informed Swim that she felt mild 'rushes of energy' and rated the overall experience as neutral to positive, definitely nothing bad.

She told me she is going to try again with one full pill sometime next week. Ill report back if she finds anything of interest.

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Short and sweet. Age/weight would be useful to know.

[Danger]

swim tried both LU Doves (the lastest version) and bk-MBDB. effects are completely different so swim doesn't think LU Doves can contain bk-MBDB as a main ingredient

[Raziak]

Hi SWIM recently bought 4 packs of LU doves and has been taking them over the last week. SWIM has just taken two and was wondering if that could lead to an overdose.

My friend normally complains of blurred vision after 7 hours of taking a couple has passed, but has never been sick on LU Doves.

Any help would be great.