Drug info - London Underground Doves

[Broshious]

SWIM ordered two doves. He first mecke tested them it came up yellow which could indicate DXM, or some cathinone substance, and he's sure there are other things it could be, but that's all he knows of. He took two and after about 20-30 minutes he felt himself coming up. A fair amount of euphoria with a pretty nice, but very short peak. The come up was reminiscent of Methylone but nowhere near its strength. Pupils were very dilated. Some music enhancement, but not much. SWIM would say the overwhelming effect of this substance is speediness. Very very nice for a "legal" high.

As of now SWIM would guess it is some sort of methcathinone derivative which is interesting seeing as how the Neo Doves turned out to be just that if SWIM recalls correctly.

SWIM took 2 doves by the way.

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Brief but informative, thanks.

[chemlove]

Sounds like alot of fun. SWIM has never had Herbal pills, SWIM worried cause he had herd many mixed results. Some people had told him that its kinda garbage, and some say its surprisingly awesome and a different awakening so i'd like to hear from some others and see there opinion on the Herbal.

[Broshious]

SWIM had had another "herbal" pill that was garbage. Head Candy or something. Made SWIM feel like shit. He was surprised that these were actually enjoyable.

One thing to note is most herbal pills are advertised as being consumable. These are said to be plant food implying that they're trying to get around analog laws so it has something good in it.

[Alfa]

One thing is for sure. Doves are not herbal. I moved this to the Research Chemical section.

[radiometer]

Boy that "plant food" ruse will surely go a long way, when they're packaged as tablets and sold only in stores which supply drugs.

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amusing, good point

[Broshious]

Originally Posted by Alfa

One thing is for sure. Doves are not herbal. I moved this to the Research Chemical section.

Sorry I thought that was the forum for all the legal highs.

I don't say it's a good cover, but...

[Cirkeln 6]

Has SWIY tested MDPV? It sounds a bit like a MDPV-pill.

[Broshious]

Originally Posted by Cirkeln 6

Has SWIY tested MDPV? It sounds a bit like a MDPV-pill.

SWIM has had MDPV, but it never did anything for him. The doves didn't feel dopaminey to SWIM at all.

Small update SWIM took two pills in the early afternoon. With some slight assistance (~3g Phenibut, ~1.5g Theanine) he actually got extremely tired to the point of being unable to keep his eyes open by ~12:30am.

If these things weren't so expensive, and SWIM was sure of what they contained then he'd probably recommend them.

[Iggypoop]

I've a fair idea that these are methylone or ethcathinone, most likely methylone (ethcathinone wouldn't have the smoothness), the test results would seem to confirm this.

Maybe they just aren't a strong dose?

At the Glade festival this year, i read the packaging and it gave me a chuckle!

[Broshious]

Originally Posted by Iggypoop

I've a fair idea that these are methylone or ethcathinone, most likely methylone (ethcathinone wouldn't have the smoothness), the test results would seem to confirm this.

Maybe they just aren't a strong dose?

At the Glade festival this year, i read the packaging and it gave me a chuckle!

Perhaps. However, I've seen a paper that showed cathinone, methcathinone, MDMCAT, and MDCAT I believe, as all showing up yellow for Mecke and Marquis.

As far as it not being a strong dose I've considered that a possibility.

SWIM plans on taking three next time, and if it still falls far short of Methylone he will feel pretty positive that it is not Methylone, but something similar.

[BackToBasics]

Budgie has seen these advertised on various uk head-shop websites, and they all say they definitely do not contain either Methylone or Ethylone...

[Broshious]

Originally Posted by BackToBasics

Budgie has seen these advertised on various uk head-shop websites, and they all say they definitely do not contain either Methylone or Ethylone...

Yes, and you can't believe everything you read can you? When SWIM read that it sounded suspiciously like an ingredient list to him.

[BackToBasics]

Could it possibly be something like 2-ai? Budgie knows that it's not that effective orally, but he's also read a bit about companies using 'chaperone' substances that temporarily change other ingredients that arent very active orally so they can pass through the stomach and into the blood.

[Broshious]

Originally Posted by BackToBasics

Could it possibly be something like 2-ai? Budgie knows that it's not that effective orally, but he's also read a bit about companies using 'chaperone' substances that temporarily change other ingredients that arent very active orally so they can pass through the stomach and into the blood.

Negative as far as 2-AI. SWIM has taken 2-AI. His experience with doves was nothing like that.

[plan9fromoutaspace]

could a mixture of ethcatinone and methylone be possible? It´s shure not just simple methylone in these pills, coz these are quite long lasting, causing insomnia up to 24 hours.

[Broshious]

Originally Posted by plan9fromoutaspace

could a mixture of ethcatinone and methylone be possible? It´s shure not just simple methylone in these pills, coz these are quite long lasting, causing insomnia up to 24 hours.

Did you read SWIM's report? SWIM took two and was easily able to sleep after 9 hours. Also, that possibility has been mentioned especially since the packaging declares that there is neither Methylone nor Ethylone specifically.

[Thirdedge]

Ingredients list beta keto. The first batch also contained Piperazines unfortunetly, but they may not this time around. Stargate had the Doves tested (first batch I think) and posted the results on pill reports.

Swim dropped the first batch of doves to top up some MDMA he dropped earlier and found them speedier, more colourful and less empathogenic in comparrison.

[Broshious]

Originally Posted by Thirdedge

Ingredients list beta keto. The first batch also contained Piperazines unfortunetly, but they may not this time around. Stargate had the Doves tested (first batch I think) and posted the results on pill reports.

Swim dropped the first batch of doves to top up some MDMA he dropped earlier and found them speedier, more colourful and less empathogenic in comparrison.

I don't know of these are the same doves. Those were "Neo Doves" weren't they?

[Thirdedge]

Originally Posted by Broshious

I don't know of these are the same doves. Those were "Neo Doves" weren't they?

No. LU Doves. Swim has not tried the Neodoves, the Neopeople will not answer swims emails and he is too scared customs will shoot him if they find them. Besides he,s getting too old to be dropping pills with unknown ingredients and would rather just try the individual chemicals.

[Broshious]

Originally Posted by Thirdedge

No. LU Doves. Swim has not tried the Neodoves, the Neopeople will not answer swims emails and he is too scared customs will shoot him if they find them. Besides he,s getting too old to be dropping pills with unknown ingredients and would rather just try the individual chemicals.

I mean I thought Stargate had tested the Neo Doves. There's a thread on here that says Stargate found the Neo Doves to have a substance much like methcathinone, which would fit the testing results for these doves as well as the effects it would seem.

Has Stargate also tested the LU Doves?

[plan9fromoutaspace]

not every swim is the same. Swim took 2 in the afternoon and couldn´t sleep until next day in the afternoon. Had some chestpain too, so decided 2 at once is definatly too much for swim.
Swim took half one the next time at 4 pm and fell asleep 12 hours later for a few hours. Awoke next day in the morning, feeling quite ok, but still feeling residual effects like enhanced colors until the afternoon.
On the other board, the english webshop one, these doves have been discussed a lot, and some people mentioned insommnia up to 36 hours.

As far as I know the first batch of lu doves was analysed, which came out before the bzp sale restrictions in gb.
This new ones are definatly without bzp.

[Abrad]

Insomnia for 36hrs, chest pains...
Reminds me of something that was discussed before on the forum, there were fears expressed that the piperizine peddlers would switch to a certain other compound.
I hope I'm wrong.

Somebody needs to get these thinks properly analysed and for the results to be published.
I feel like contacting the company and demanding for the active compound to be disclosed. I have no doubt, however, that this would be an excercise in futility.

[plan9fromoutaspace]

you made me curious, what´s the certain compound, or do you not wonna mention it?

[Abrad]

I would rather not create further speculation and rumour at this time, and I could be completely wrong.

[plan9fromoutaspace]

yeah it´s just a lot of speculation without a proper test.