Opinions - Ketamine - Solo or with others?

[VitaminK22]

Swim cant tell others which he would prefer because he has never taken ket on his own. He thinks the trips would be alot deeper when he's on his own because theres a sense of him resisting the drug when he's with others, especially at parties.

Swim would like to know what everyone else prefers and why, hopefully he will get an empty house sometime near the future so he can try it on his own

[kip]

SWIM finds it fun when alone, it makes it much more quiete and relaxing, gives more of that floating through space feeling to him.

SWIM also finds it fun with friends becuase there is more moving arround and ussually alot of laughter, but the trip is completely different.

If swiv wants a relaxing floating through space and time trip and feeling like the characters on your TV are there in your room, than solo mission it is.

But again thats just SWIM's perspective on things, different people have different trips. For example SWIM seen someone do a bit and just fall right onto the floor and get all aggressive, and SWIM seen others just trip out and think they trapped in a box (when arround others)

[The Cheshire Ket]

SWIM finds ketamine to be generally a much better experience when taken alone. With others, the finer points of the experience are missed, while alone he can go much deeper.

This is only in regards to sub k-hole doses. If SWIY is planning to enter el K-hole, it is a good idea to have a sitter present to avoid choking on SWIY's own vomit if vomititus does occur.

[goat]

swim has been doing ketamine for a few years now, and has found that it is fun to do both with or without others. usually when you do ketamine with others you dont end up having much interaction with them anyway. one thing swim has told me is a lot of fun though is to do k alone and watch different tv shows. usually shows like planet earth, or some of those modern marvel shows on the discovery channel are good to watch and will provoke very interesting and trippy thoughts. also, swim has told me that watching inspector gadget while on k is a great experiance

[Nature Boy]

SWIM has never used ketamine with others. Powerful dissociatives cause one to leave their body seemingly. Standing upright or even maintaining a conversation can be extremely difficult, especially on reasonably high doses. SWIM doesn't really see the point in using a drug like ketamine with others. It's not exactly a social lubricant.

[Bajeda]

Originally Posted by Nature Boy

SWIM has never used ketamine with others. Powerful dissociatives cause one to leave their body seemingly. Standing upright or even maintaining a conversation can be extremely difficult, especially on reasonably high doses. SWIM doesn't really see the point in using a drug like ketamine with others. It's not exactly a social lubricant.

The same holds true for Pickles the Giraffe. He has never used Ketamine with others as he just can't imagine interacting with others while on it. Instant messaging works for a bit until he can't type, but by that point he has no desire to leave his little bubble and come into contact with 'reality'.

[enquirewithin]

My canary has taken ketamine with his friend. He says that you can bond with others as, although you can't communicate whilst 'out there,' you return at the same time and know you experienced more or less the same thing. The problem is that the after effects of ketamine can make you irritable and other people can pierce your 'bubble.'

These day he prefers to either be alone, which is more peaceful, or with his female canary friend, who never partakes and leaves him be.

[khrma]

SWIM thinks it is fun to take with his girlfriend, but not with other friends. Possibly because you can still get the intense and deep "trip" and also have company if things get bad. Also SWIM finds it enjoyable to talk about the experiance as well as having someone to mush with,

[dnb warrior]

SWIM thinks k is a drug best taken alone - it just doesnt seem like a social thing and makes it hard to communicate with others. can be fun with others though, although it has to be in the right setting. for example swim took k at a house party where there were a lot of people on various different substances and it felt great, the k seemed to reflect the mood of the party. but he has also tried it (quite a large amount)at a mainstream town centre club and as many of you have probably guessed it wasnt a great experience, swim just wanted to get out.
k is also good in small groups of people you know, sometimes swim finds a constant stream of semi-meaningless babble coming from his mouth and other times he is just off in his own little world. and strange as it might seem he has bonded with people on ket.

but yeah alone is probably the best option for a full scale ket trip

[Nose Dive]

My Bill loves doing it with other people, he says it's nice to sit down with about 4 people and think that there's actually more like 10 when k-holing.

[enquirewithin]

Originally Posted by Nose Dive

My Bill loves doing it with other people, he says it's nice to sit down with about 4 people and think that there's actually more like 10 when k-holing.

SWIM has occasionally believed that people on K can communicate mentally somehow-- but it's probably his imagination.

[VitaminK22]

Originally Posted by enquirewithin

SWIM has occasionally believed that people on K can communicate mentally somehow-- but it's probably his imagination.

Anyone who has had an experience the same as one of their co-trippers will believe that K can give them some sort of psychic ability or the ability to mentally communicate. Swim also has some belief of this but he also thinks that some minds work alike and the same setting and being with the same people can give the same experience. The truely mind blowing experiences are where ur in the K-hole with someone else and someone else is in the K-hole with you.

[Nose Dive]

Originally Posted by enquirewithin

SWIM has occasionally believed that people on K can communicate mentally somehow-- but it's probably his imagination.

My Bill gets that a lot. It's incredible how sometimes swiy can get exactly the same kind of 'Vibe' as somone else near to you.

Oh and My Bill says he loves those trips where he seemingly connects with people all over the globe. THat's long distance communication

[VitaminK22]

Originally Posted by Nose Dive

Oh and My Bill says he loves those trips where he seemingly connects with people all over the globe. THat's long distance communication

usually other people in the ket world

[enquirewithin]

Originally Posted by VitaminK22

usually other people in the ket world

SWIM has certainly THOUGHT that in his altered states but how could he ever prove it?

[Nose Dive]

Originally Posted by enquirewithin

SWIM has certainly THOUGHT that in his altered states but how could he ever prove it?

SWIY could arrange a huge global session of doing ket with people everywhere by synchronising the time SWIY snorts and then see if you can reach those people. It would be interesting, at least. My Bill would join in!

[kip]

lol Nose Dive! that sounds like a plan!

[pankreeas]

Solo.... as far as swim is concerned, the more distractions present, the further you are from 100% encompassment by this fascinating substance. Merely the thought of how a companion is feeling is enough to break one out of the K-zone.. K is all about self. No lights, no sound, no companionship. Entering k-world often means leaving this one behind.

Best setting for optimum enjoyment and enlightenment is literally just before swim goes to sleep. K makes a great launchpad for lucid dreaming.

[enquirewithin]

SWIM has certainly THOUGHT that in his altered states but how could he ever prove it?
SWIY could arrange a huge global session of doing ket with people everywhere by synchronising the time SWIY snorts and then see if you can reach those people. It would be interesting, at least. My Bill would join in!

Well, SWIM tried it with one other person in the same room. SWIM said, "Do you think you can communicate telepathically on K?" Answer: "No"

Originally Posted by pankreeas

Merely the thought of how a companion is feeling is enough to break one out of the K-zone..

There are times hell breaking loose would not get SWIM out of the K zone!

[pankreeas]

Originally Posted by enquirewithin

Well, SWIM tried it with one other person in the same room. SWIM said, "Do you think you can communicate telepathically on K?" Answer: "No"




There are times hell breaking loose would not get SWIM out of the K zone!

I think maybe you are mistaking my wording. By k-zone I do not mean k-hole. I merely mean the point when you can focus all energy for the drug to feed off... when you just exist but do not understand why. When caught in the hole though I agree, panic solves nothing... but patience and acceptance can be very rewarding

[VitaminK22]

Originally Posted by pankreeas

Solo.... as far as swim is concerned, the more distractions present, the further you are from 100% encompassment by this fascinating substance. Merely the thought of how a companion is feeling is enough to break one out of the K-zone.. K is all about self. No lights, no sound, no companionship. Entering k-world often means leaving this one behind.

Best setting for optimum enjoyment and enlightenment is literally just before swim goes to sleep. K makes a great launchpad for lucid dreaming.

Swim would have to agree with swiy when he says the more distractions, the less deep the experience is. When swim is at a big house party and everyone's takin ket, he feels like he doesnt trip as much. But when swim is with only a few people, he goes into some extremely deep trances where his friends will be calling him and nudging him and he wont come out of his trip. They have to shake him violently or shake his head or something if they really need him for something. But saying that, when someone offers swim another line, he usually comes out of it straight away

Swim doesnt see much point in sleeping on ket tho. He believes the whole point of ket is to travel to different worlds in a dream-like state while being fully concious.

Also, swim thinks music is essencial on ket. Fast, jumpy, trippy music because it make his mind race and makes the trip alot more intense, and there nothing swim likes more than a good intense experience