Why Swim is giving up Poppyseed tea

[Tortoise]

Hello folks,

Swim, like many of you is a responsible opiophile. He is not hardcore with his drug-taking and limits himself to the easy-to-obtain opiates, namely OTC codeine and poppyseed tea. This is partly due to the fact that he has no connections to get hm anything better, but also because he doesn't want to get in too deep. Nevertheless, he uses either codeine or poppyseed tea twice a week or so.

Anyhow, Swim has finally decided to give up his use of poppyseed tea as it presents several problems for him;
1. Not enough euphoria: Swim finds that poppyseed tea makes him feel more strung-out than euphoric. The feeling isn't anywhere near as good as the bliss he often feels with codeine. After a while it actuallly becomes annoying that he feels so out-of-it.
2. Nausea: Lately Swim has upped his dose somewhat and has consistantly been hit with moderate to severe nausea and sometimes vomiting. This totally takes away from the experience for him.
3. Effects on sleep: Because the poppyseed tea effects last so long, he finds it hard to get a good night's sleep after using it. Even if he doses in the afternoon. A little bit of nodding is good, but if you're nodding till 3am when all you want to do is sleep, it gets kind of annoying.
4. Tolerance: This is the biggest issue for Swim. Because, the poppyseed experience lasts so long, it causes his opiate tolerance to skyrocket! The other day he took 340mg of codeine and felt little to nothing as he had spent the day before high on poppyseed tea. This amount of codeine should have fucked him up and he was very, very dissapointed.

So that's it. Has Swiy had similar experiences?

Tortoise

[ironmics]

Swim loves PST and regards it as probably his favorite opiate, but definitely agrees with you, it is not worth the hassle. Smoked opium gives many of the same effects without the nausea, but it doesn't last long enough haha. Too bad his source of latex only lasts for one month a year.

[Emmajs]

PPT is so much better than PST, don't know why anybody bothers unless the PP's aren't available.

[samuraigecko]

Originally Posted by Tortoise

Hello folks,

Swim, like many of you is a responsible opiophile. He is not hardcore with his drug-taking and limits himself to the easy-to-obtain opiates, namely OTC codeine and poppyseed tea. This is partly due to the fact that he has no connections to get hm anything better, but also because he doesn't want to get in too deep. Nevertheless, he uses either codeine or poppyseed tea twice a week or so.

Anyhow, Swim has finally decided to give up his use of poppyseed tea as it presents several problems for him;
1. Not enough euphoria: Swim finds that poppyseed tea makes him feel more strung-out than euphoric. The feeling isn't anywhere near as good as the bliss he often feels with codeine. After a while it actuallly becomes annoying that he feels so out-of-it.
2. Nausea: Lately Swim has upped his dose somewhat and has consistantly been hit with moderate to severe nausea and sometimes vomiting. This totally takes away from the experience for him.
3. Effects on sleep: Because the poppyseed tea effects last so long, he finds it hard to get a good night's sleep after using it. Even if he doses in the afternoon. A little bit of nodding is good, but if you're nodding till 3am when all you want to do is sleep, it gets kind of annoying.
4. Tolerance: This is the biggest issue for Swim. Because, the poppyseed experience lasts so long, it causes his opiate tolerance to skyrocket! The other day he took 340mg of codeine and felt little to nothing as he had spent the day before high on poppyseed tea. This amount of codeine should have fucked him up and he was very, very dissapointed.

So that's it. Has Swiy had similar experiences?

Tortoise

SWIM cant say he has had experience in PST nausea etc etc, however there are a few things to point out.

both PST and PPT will make one nauseous if one ingests too much or if one has a sensitive stomach.
PPT is a far better alternative than PST because the opiate content is higher, however PS is easier to get a hold of than PP. That said, if one has PS why would one not grow it and make something more real.
"On the nod" heh, what Opiophile has not experienced this, although you may not have experienced it yet, you will get the same effect from codeine.
Codine, especially when not separated from the paracetamol is known to produce many health problems with prolonged use of high doses. kidney stones are a PITA from what one has heared.
perhaps the smokable forms which SWIM has observed being made is more suited to one who is so inclined as was suggested by some of our other friends. If one has access to PS then it makes no sense not to use it in a more effective way unless one was not inclined to do so at all.
OTC use in ones own opinion is a bad thing. Most Pharm companies are not just government owned but have HEAVY involvement and investment from Petro-Chemical companies also. These include opiate buying and producing companies such as TA and Roche etc. Either way you are still lining the governments and the petrochemical companies pockets so to speak.
if one has made the decision to give it away all together then one must applaud ones strength and determination because as one MUST know both PST and codeine are very addictive substances and it can be a hard haul if one was to already have a habit.
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a few things to remember, contrary to some beliefs.

Codeine is used in place of morphine OTC because codeine "apparently" produces less side effects in people than morphine, however one must research this further as one may think that even though the MAJORITY of people do not get the same side effects as morphine as with codeine the people who DO experience these side effects often find themselves hospitalized.

Codeine has been linked to many cases of kidney stones, especially when used not separated from the paracetamol. Paracetamol is also well linked to kidney stones.

Codeine tolerance WILL occur weather one wants it or not, as with ALL opiates. One does not have a choice in the matter unless one is to use it very sparingly.

The dosage one mentions for Codeine (340mg) would most likely OD and probably kill (without prompt medical attention) the average person so tolerance MUST already be present .

Anyhoo, enough of me standing on the soap box, none of this was intended to offend in any way but to perhaps help one understand the implications of what one has said.

I hope you have found some of this helpful, cheers .

[keats]

SWIM should definately, as others have suggested, try switching to poppy pod tea. They're somewhat easily obtainable online and provide a better and somewhat more consistent dosage high (within a given batch anyway). SWIM personally finds PPT more euphoric and enjoyable than almost any other opiate, with the exception of heroin and possibly oxycodone. However both of those are much more addictive, even insufflated, which is all SWIM ever did. But the bottom line is opiates aren't a great class of drug to fuck with period, and SWIM (nor anyone else with any sense) would never condemn or argue with anyone halting their usage completely.

[Tortoise]

Alas, Swim lives in Australia where pods are not at all readily available. He never takes high doses of codeine without extracting the paracetamol first and yes he does have tolerance to codeine. Quite a bit in fact. 340mg is too much for somebody unititated to take but it is still weel below the LD50 for codeine.
Thanks for your input guys.

[deejayy]

Maybe SWIY just had crappy seeds with high thebaine content or something. SWIM agrees that PPT is a lot better. SWIY describes being on the nod till 3am and just wanting to sleep? SWIM can easily fall asleep at any time during his nods. SWIM recommends switching to PPT.

[Tortoise]

Swim cannot find pods in Australia.

[samuraigecko]

Originally Posted by Tortoise

Swim cannot find pods in Australia.

SWIY wont find pods in AU unless its from an old granny's cottage garden in the back yard or unless he goes to the local Coles or SafeWay supermarket and buys "Hoyt's" brand poppy seed from the spice isle.

This is seed stock is Tasmanian Purple SWIM tells me.
The Tasmanian farmers sell this seed stock to companies like Hoyt's spices and other food grade spice companies which also gives the farmers a second income rather than just the "alkaloid content" of their yearly crops.

Only about 1 in 10 will actually sprout and grow because they have been heat treated, however, when you have about half a million seeds in a packet (for baking and cooking purposes only) some of them are bound to come up when ya chuck out the food scraps on the garden SWIM says cryptically.