Codeine freebase

[Codehead]

SWIM is going to convert codeine phosphate (Co-Codamol 8/500) to codeine freebase with sodium carbonate and gasoline. So first he would CWE'ing paracetamol and other crap out of the pills and then adding some sodium carbonate until the codeine comes out of the solution (then it has been turned to freebase). Then he uses gasoline to get rid of sodium carbonate water (by extracting the freebase codeine to the gasoline from the sodium carbonate solution), then he evaporates the gasoline by boiling it. Then there should be left only brownish freebase codeine, is SWIM right?

Or can SWIY just use sodium carbonate and turn the codeine to the freebase form by the same method as SWIM mentioned, and then just evaporating the water? But then the sodium carbonate would still be left to the end-production? That would be bad, because SWIM can't believe that sodium carbonate will evaporates.

Can SWIY snort (yes, SWIM has heard that it works) freebase codeine?
Can SWIY take it oral?
Can SWIY smoke it, by chasing the dragon method?

How much more the dosage would be when it is freebase?

[Codehead]

Ok, SWIMs friends friend didnt freebased it yet, but he just evaporated the solution, so here is the end-product:

[Psych0naut]

Originally Posted by Codehead

Can SWIY snort (yes, SWIM has heard that it works) freebase codeine?
Can SWIY take it oral?
Can SWIY smoke it, by chasing the dragon method?

How much more the dosage would be when it is freebase?

Do not snort or smoke codeine, it can cause life threatening adverse effects, for the same reason codeine can not be administered IV.

[nuckinfutz]

How can smoking codeine be harmful? When you smoke opium, a certain percentage of it is codeine.

[Pklnk]

swim want to "purify", a CWE Codeine/sorbitol to only codeine.

he made Codeine CWE from Co-codamol Efferescent pills. Now the liquid contains Codeine, Sorbitol and Sodium and bit paracetamol.

First he have to make it Freebase, baking soda or sodium carbonate (is it matter how much)?

Then he should put something "non-polar solvent" to it.

Can a "Motor Starter" spray do the task? It Contains?

Pentane
Diethyl Ether
Acetone
Propane

and remove "solvent" from it and then evaporate it.

swIm not gettin any pure Ether, Chloroform...

Would this work (Sodium bicarbonate + Motor Starter)?

[witchychick]

^^
why is swiy doing CWE on effervescent co-coda?
swim was told v clearly on here that it could not be done because in the effervescents the paracetamol dissolves therefore cwe will not work. swim thinks you have a lot more paracetamol from effervescents in swiy's product that you are not accounting for. use over the counter 8/500s non effervescents.

ps read the rules of self incrinimating !!

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40997

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37552

[Pklnk]

Sorry.

Swim has notice that CWE from effervescent codamol works. When swim evaporate it to make powder, its different than with "non effervescent" pills. the "powder" is totally different and that is alot more. Because of the sorbitol...

So swim wants to get rid of the sorbitol from the powder (or liquid). How swim can do that? Swim also says the taste of the Liquid Codeine is so "unhuman" that swim can't just drink it, so it have to put on capsule.

So how to get codeine from the sorbitol?

Originally Posted by witchychick

why is swiy doing CWE on effervescent co-coda?
swim was told v clearly on here that it could not be done because in the effervescents the paracetamol dissolves therefore cwe will not work. swim thinks you have a lot more paracetamol from effervescents in swiy's product that you are not accounting for. use over the counter 8/500s non effervescents.

ps read the rules of self incrinimating !!

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40997

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37552

[pipolito]

My cat wanted to try it a few weeks ago. Although he never came through with it, here is what he understands.
The best way is to simply get the regular tylenol + codeine preparations that you would use for a CWE. I remember reading that effervescent preparations were not very useful when it came to a CWE, so do not use that.
Once the CWE (+remove the caffein) is done, you should be left with codeine and some APAP dissolved in water.
Acetaminophen-base is water-soluble. Codeine freebase is supposedly not.
Basify the solution, filter. The powder left is codeine freebase. (Dry it)

You can smoke codeine freebase, although it's not that great of an idea since some fillers are probably still in there but my cat would've gone for it. Smoking it changes the way codeine is delivered in your body, being metabolized by another enzyme, which means no norcodeine is produced, which means more morphine for the body
You can also pop it, with the potency being similar to that of codeine salts.

^^All the "you" refer to no one in particular, in a way similar to the 10 Commandments. (lol)

Hope I could help.

[honourableone]

SWIM believes that freebase codeine (as found in opium) is safe to smoke, but codeine phosphate isn't. So if SWIY makes the freebase, it would likely be safe to smkoke, but the binders could be unpleasant (or even dangerous), so it depends if SWIY wants to risk it and be a guinea pig for everyone else. SWIM does not imagine that snorting it would be pleasant at all, and thinks that even if that wasn't dangerous it would not be a strong enough method to be worth it.

SIM just looked on the wikipedia article for CWE, and found a section claiming that CWE wasn't effective for codeine extractions! What do other people think? (I can't post links yet . To find the article you need to search for "Cold Water Extraction", not just the abbreviation).

[RoboCodeine7610]

SIM just looked on the wikipedia article for CWE, and found a section claiming that CWE wasn't effective for codeine extractions! What do other people think? (I can't post links yet . To find the article you need to search for "Cold Water Extraction", not just the abbreviation).

When I first read it, it scared me a little but then I realised that whoever wrote it is a moron, I'll explain by parts:

It is reported on many 'tutorial style' web pages [1] [2] [3] that acetaminophen is more [water] soluble than codeine

Bullshit it's the other way around you retard...

Firstly, the solubility of paracetamol/acetaminophen in water at 25C is 14mg/mL [4], while the solubility of codeine at 20C is reported to be 9mg/mL [5], making it likely that Tylenol is actually more water soluble than codeine.

Correct, the solubility of paracetamol at 25C IS 14mg/ml and the solubility of codeine BASE is 9mg/ml (if he's source is correct) but that's not what's being extracted, what's extracted is the phosphate salt of codeine which IS much more soluble in water than paracetamol.

Secondly, reduced solubility at lower temperatures is a common physical property of virtually all organic molecules and there is no scientific evidence support the idea that codeine's solubility might increase as the temperature of a solution is reduced.

Who the hell said that codeine's solubility in water increases as the temperature is reduced? It certainly hasn't been said on this forum...

That guy is just a retard, honestly SWIHonourableone, don't even worry about it...

[honourableone]

Thanks for that, SWIM got a bit worried there. Thats the only time Ive ever got such bad information from wikipedia.

[scruffyloather]

I've read so many thread where people talk about SWIM's doing this kind of thing but never heard a follow up on what happened. I'd like to know. To me it seems like oral consumption is the best because it is metabolized by your liver. Given the cheapness of the drug and all the hassles involved in conversion to freebase and such, it seems stupid to fu#k around with it. But the jury is out. SWIM has some limited experience with IV-ing codeine.One time he got a different high from the oral consumption, another he broke out is a rash like William S Buroughs. SWIM has a feling this was caused by the fillers and thing in the codeine though. SWIM read an article about IV codeine being common in Turkey. Nobody should try codein as there are lots of warning about it from medical sources.

[honourableone]

OK, SWIM is tempted to try this. How dangerous is baking soda to consume; would using an organic solvent be needed or would simply filtering the freebase work?

If so, SWIM thinks it would be much easier and safer (than CWE) to use effervescent pills, and freebase out the codeine? If effervescent pills have completely soluble APAP, then this method would almost completely remove all of it, leaving a solid that could be weighed (ensuring that even if the solid was 100 percent paracetamol, users would know that the dose was safe). SWIM would like to know more about how baking soda could be used, but if he is correct this method seems too good to be true.

[nibble]

Originally Posted by honourableone

OK, SWIM is tempted to try this. How dangerous is baking soda to consume; would using an organic solvent be needed or would simply filtering the freebase work?

If so, SWIM thinks it would be much easier and safer (than CWE) to use effervescent pills, and freebase out the codeine? If effervescent pills have completely soluble APAP, then this method would almost completely remove all of it, leaving a solid that could be weighed (ensuring that even if the solid was 100 percent paracetamol, users would know that the dose was safe). SWIM would like to know more about how baking soda could be used, but if he is correct this method seems too good to be true.

But the reason the paracetamol is soluble is because a salt has been formed with it too, therefore if you added a base to the solution you'd cause the paracetamol to precipitate out as well..