Does God Agree With Drugs?

[uqlfy]

Touchy question. First one has to establish if there is a higher
power or not. For the sake of answering this question assume there is.
Now one also could assert that god is directly responsible for or
allows all things to be. Based on those assumptions it leaves two clear
scenarios. The first is since god is responsible for all things then we
are not and may do as we please. The other is god allows certain things
to exist so that the lesser evil may define the greater good. Happy
wouldnt feel as good if we didnt know sad for example. Eithier way it
then becomes irrelevant whether god agrees with drugs, the question
then becomes "Does God Agree With My Using Drugs?" Which is a question
that ultimately has to be decided individually.

Personally I think its okay as long as I dont cause harm to others.

One other thing I see lots of people pointing out this an that about
catholics bible jesus the apsotles etc. First of all the question
wasnt "does god exist?"or "why do you think religion is stupid?" and
second I think that you fail to make the distinction
between the validity of deity worship and the existence of deity.




Edited by: uqlfy

[drwoo]

Originally Posted by manda

I have so much faith I will go to heaven. Remember, Jesus Saves!!! He won't condemn you or have a worse opinion of you if you are an addict. He only wants to help.

I have faith I will go to Heaven, if there is one. I have faith that God will accept me, if there is one. Religion the reason for us to believe in God is there very reason I doubt his existance. If there is a God I believe he will look at the character of the person not whether or not he asked for forgivness for having doubts, or for his sins. If there is a heaven and Imiss the bus, but murderers, rapists, and general evil peoplemake it in becuase they ask for forgiveness then he is not a person I would want to spend eternity with anyway. So I will live my life people who I am, taking the drugs and making the choices I want. In the endif there is a God and I am not judged on the content of my character and my heart then o'well I guess I will burn in hell.

[prospero]

God neither approves nor disapproves of drugs. We are the physical manifestation of him and therefore whatever we want is what he wants. The fact that some of us want one thing and others want something else, and some of us simply don't knowisjust a conflict within god which has not yet been resolved. God doesn't know the 'correct' answerany more than we do, because there is no correct answer. We can only continue our journey anddiscover whatwe trulywant, as ananswer to this, and of course many other questions. The fact that the answer is not at this point known is no cause for concern, as the quest is what makes life so enjoyable and eternity bearable.

[bubaloo]

i found a website on this, although its pretty biased probably written by a religous DEA agent(look at the pic at the top), anyway, its pretty funny.

Free!Link

these are some of the points it has:
1. Drugs have a Proven Connection with Sorcery and Witchcraft
2. Drugs have an Obvious Affiliation with the Desires of Satan
3. Drug use will Cause Others to Stumble
4. Christians are no Longer Their Own
5. We’re not to be Infected by Mind Bending Stimulants
6. We are Warned not to Defile God’s Temple
7. Addictions Are Not Pleasing To God
Jesus Can Set You

[Creeping Death]

God created weed, man created beer. Who do you trust?

- Some guy.

[dillydude]

God also created poppies and the coca leaves too.

[Turricaine]

It's amazing how detailed this thread is on what is a relatively shall we say 'grounded' question that is completely open to interpretation.


God is a 50:50 type of guy. Such a character may have been looked upon as being a bit of a 'tosser'. Therefore the good, the bad, and the ugly were created to portray a range of ideas. I mean who wants to paint in only brown paint, who wants only white light when there is the option of splitting it into a whole rainbow of colors? Thus we generate a load of bullcrap philosophy to try and justify our existance on Earth, even if the laws of the game are stone-cold physical science.Hence God isn't actually good or bad since he is in coexistance with both, like on a chess board except we cant rule out the possibility of there beinga 50:50 chance that black will be the first to move.

[Mezza]

Ancient cultures the world over have used psychedelics as a way to be closer to their gods, the universe, and everything. After my first trip, I knew they had to be on to something. I think western society as a whole, with all their right wing Christian fanatacism - moves further from the truth with every passing moment. But to each his own. I dont believe in a Christian God, I really don't believe in any God at all. There's just as much empirical evidence to prove the existence of the Christan God as there is for Zeus, Allah, The Great Spirit, Ra.,etc Humans created these personnas - and whether its right or wrong I could care less. Whatever makes you happy and feel at one with yourself and the world around you, go for it. These 'gods' were created to be what man wanted them to be.


That being said, my god smokes hydro on weekends, plays metal guitar,loves video games,and completely appreciates the psychedelic experience. He dosent need my money, and his church is on a dancefloor.He is a righteousGod, in a funkadelic sort of way. Right on God, you rock!

[Bodhisattva500]

Revelation 21:8 “But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death"


That dea guy is ethocentric, sorcerers is just name for a priest in other cultures.


People need to realize that tons of cultures worldwide use drugs aspart of the religoius practices and as a way to get closer to god.


Did you see that guys fuckin moustache?HA!!!!!

[Dr_H]

Mezza, I like your God! I would give paraise and worship a a God such as yours. The god of Dale Evens (guy from above link) scares me and I would only follow him under pain, duress, coersion etc. Never willingly with love or respect. For his is a wrathfull and vengfull God That keeps his worshippers under fear of going to hell. If that God were all powerfull, all knowing or basicly Almighty, why would he care what we do or what we think of him? With the entire universe at his disposal what would he care what few puny humans do. However Mezza's God put things here for our enjoyment so that we might rejoice in life!


What do you want from your God?

[uqlfy]

Originally Posted by Bodhisattva500

Revelation 21:8 “But the
cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral,
sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake
which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death"</font>


That dea guy is ethocentric, sorcerers is just name for a priest in other cultures.</font>


People need to realize that tons of cultures
worldwide use drugs aspart of the religoius practices and as a
way to get closer to god.</font>


Did you see that guys fuckin moustache?HA!!!!!</font>

I think revealations is mainly BS. I find a strong parralell between
the rite of communion and other religions sacraments ie: teonactal,
yage etc.

However a just god must punish unjust doings. The idea being hate the
sin love the sinner. Only those who do wrong and willfully keep doing
wrong are unjust. Everyone knows the parable about castin the first
stone. At the end Jesus simply told the adulterer "Go and do this sin
no more". Or another way to see it is like this.

A judge orders a young womans license suspended and fines her 2 grand.
He then steps down off the bench removes his robe pays the fine and
drives his daughter home. Think about it.

That being said I still assert that god is love and as such if it doesnt cause harm drugs are OK.

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[Mike&Jus]

I don't really believe in god. The really stupid thing is the war and suffering that religion causes. I doubt that god would wave a finger at those people who smoke weed, take drugs and become more relaxed and sociable.


I think that if there was a god, he would prefer a world where people were kind to each other and sociable. I especially think that god would prefer recreational drugs to alcohol!!


I mean look at all the weird shit that happened in the Bible - You can't tell me that whoever wrote the bible was not on drugs!!!! Parting of the dead sea - water turning to wine - Jesus rising from the grave!!!!


My God takes me to places I never been before and lets me experiment and open my mind to new experiences and feelings!!





Jus

[sg43]

Personaly I dont beleive in god, and if i did i would probably be a alotmore content with lifeand wouldnt do as many drugs trying to figure out the meaning of life....if there is one.....butIMHO you gotta be crasy to beleive most of the crap in the bible tho. But then againI was forced to go to a catholic private school against my will which probably hada factor in my decision.Edited by: sg43

[ventrue]

a couple thoughts in no particular order.


1. the subjective regular view of god and religion doesn't mesh with what many people who appreciate/use drugs experience. so many people who do drugs, for one reason or another(good or bad) dont go to church or believe in stereo-typical God.


2.I am not prepared to say that I believe in God, just like I dont believe in the "devil". BUT I do believe in Good and Evil, right and wrong, etc etc. So if you approach it from that angle you could view god as the boss of the good people or some such nonsense. anyway, do whats right, act morally good as much as possible, thats how i try to live and to hell with anyone who doesn't like it.


3. I guess the main reason I cant believe in god is that the Bible was written by man, rewritten by man, over over over again. also, that i have seen things in my life that are either totally unexplainable from a religious view, or religion calls its evil, which i dont believe.


-Randy

[polloloco001]

there is, of course, reason to believe a god of some kind exists,
because we are all here, and the universe exists, so it had to come
from somewhere. however, the bible, the torah, the koran, and all other
religious books are ridiculous dogmatic trash made up by obvious human
frauds who claimed to have the answers to the riddles of life and the
universe. they were, of course, full of shit. the bible is the single
most unconvincing piece of trash in the world and i frankly cannot
fathom how it has controlled such a large percent of people for so
long. i do believe in some sort of god because i have no other
explanation for why anything exists. sure we evolved, but where did all
the matter come from? i believe that some sort of deity set the
universe in motion at the big bang, but i need to learn a bit more
about physics before i am sure of anything.

[Loser]

i am god. and your all wrong.

[als5555]

physics and chemistry have shown that most matter (in raw elemental form) has slight tendencies to shift,andexpand and contract. some theories say that the universe is a large scale example of this. over nearly unfathomable periods oftime the universe expands and contracts, and the bigbang was the latest beginning of an expansion cycle, and we are still expanding.this is just a physics theory. now about a reason for us all being here, do you think there needs to be a reason, or does matter just exist and form evolve its self into higher and higher states of being. maybe there is no explanation as to why we exist, maybe we just do.

[pabel_giboon]

Originally Posted by fletch

in order to see god and talk to him you need to be really tweaked out, so therefore he must agree with drug use, but personally i think religion is a joke. i think religion destroys more lives and tears families apart quicker than any drug.

keep this in mind, the guy that said it is a genious.


besides that, many times I find myself hoping not to have had this christian eucation on morals and guilty. I guess jewish-cristian sense of guilty and sense of enlightment is the cause of most of the bad trips people has.

[neoken]

Originally Posted by philoscybin

.... But imagine hypothetically speaking, there
exists an everlastingcomputer that is programmed to hit random
keys all over the keyboard for an eternity. Would there not be a time
in which the computer would actually type out sentences, phrases,
words, or even great literary works out of complete chance, much like a
universe at which infinitely exists could eventually create something
as complex as mankind. It's hard for people to comprehend the
possibility considering they are the subject at present.

hmm a little late but SWIM occasionly does ether and everytime he goes
more then a little bit, he ussually zones out to where there is nothing
but like a stage from a side scroller game but the background is more
of a harmonous digital forest green and everything is going at a pace
of a metronome type device that u just sorta feel. anyway after seeing
much of these SWIM starts to fall down this chain of little

jibber jabbers you could say and each one saying what going on and
later near the end we all start jabbering if this isnt the end then the
end whats what? in sorta a ringy voice and at the end theres 3 last
spaces |near| |the| End| and when u get the end u hear a sorta thats
what and i appear in a computer generated like room and i feel as if im
stuck there forever andthen i snap out of it and make many observations
on what this might mean. maybe you shouldnt try to interfer with the
end because its coming or maybe what i thought for a while was gods
biggest joke on me. i had total loss of control and my i could actually
feel my neck sorta pulse or fastly move to the side. i refer to it as
the other dimension where ur computer/keyboard thing just sorta
struck me with a awkward note. then again i also had this arm reach out
of thin air from another dimension and wring me around the neck from
behind it was really weird like it was flashy pink/green square
background and a arm just going up through a spike braclet attack to a
metal square and the arm just had me aroundthe neck... dunno...
maybe i just really fk'd up on ether

[AcmeSewageCo]

Hmmm... If I believed in god... God was said to be the creator of everything... Universe and all... After he created humans he or she.. IT decided to stop... And when we were created... We weregiven intelligence to make up decisions for ourselfs... Thusthe bible was created in my opinion... But not to worship god... NO... Fuck that...It was created to acknowledge he or she forcreating us... Well... That's very special...Thanksfather... The end... God is nothing more then agreat great great million times great relitive...


Drugs weren't created by god if he or she actually exists... Drugs were created by mankind... And we should be damn proud of our accomplishments... That's why we were given fucking intelligence... So we wouldn't need topray... And beg... And worship god... And give the old man a break... So he wouldn't have to cater to our every whim and beck and call... Heis just said to be our creator...NOT our master... Nor should he be viewed as our protector... So in my opinion... Fuck god... If you believe in him... Fine... Belive... But don't worship... You're not a slave...We obviously didn't need him when he "abandoned" us for taking an apple off a fucking tree which wasn't human kinds fault... And theres still no proof to his or her existance...


So... Drugs... Hmm... We created them using our own intelligence... God supposedly created us and created our intelligence... So I agree... If there's a god... He or she agrees with drugs... Because we created them... As a marvel to his greatness... Showing him that our intelligence was not wasted... Taking drugs is like venturing into another relm... Much like dreaming while awake...He or sheI hopefeels that the DEA should fuck off... But once again this is mankind's doing... With our intelligence... See... A gift and a curse... This is why we were given intelligence... To create...


So... Having all that said... You see my logic... And thats my opinion and mine alone... Don't fucking criticize me for my belief... Let's not start a holy war... This is about drugs .

[koth]

Yes, I agree with drugs. No worry.
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[neoken]

If if there was a god, i would have to say he agrees with drugs, not
saying that drugs would get you closer to him, but i like to imagine
him as we are his entertainment and he likes to see how we freak out
and unfold our culture with these little "candys" of delluision.

[BrugmansiaBrujo]

God is within us all. Many people do not realize this, or cannot
believe it. Certain types of drugs (psychedelics) can put us in
touch with the God within.



If we want to assume there is a God,
then is it not a reasonable assumption that HE would want us to know
him?



Looking at it that way, I would say that HE approves of any technique,
meditation, drugs, drumming, trances, etc., that would help us to know
him.
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[Ketamina]

I don't believe in any sort of god or gods, and I despise religion and what it is turning my country (US) into. I try not to get into discussions about it because it's futile.

However, I do have a great respect for nature and all it encompasses. Every living thing on earth has a purpose and is part of the huge 'circle of life'. Sometimes, just sitting and thinking about evolution, how life must have begun and progressed through eons, it's overwhelming. It's certainly made for some great K trips!

[BrugmansiaBrujo]

I'm with you 100% ketamania. Organized religion is more or less
the root of all evil in the world. What an oxymoron the term
"religious war" is, no?



There is not one major organized religion in the world who's primary
teachings, and who's primary book (Bible, Koran, etc.) condone or allow
the taking of another human's life.



Yet every major organized religion has been responsible at one time or
another in history for atrocious wars and killings, in the name of
religion.



The only GOD I listen to or worship is the GOD within me. Each of
us has it, and it is as different and unique and personnal, as each one
of us is different.



It seems patently rediculous to me to have
any sort of organized religion, seeing as no two people on earth are
going to realistically see God in the same way. All organized
religion does is marginalize those outside of the organization,
fracturing society into quarrelling factions.


Edited by: BrugmansiaBrujo