Recomended MDMA dose in one night (6-8 hours)

[meep]

Swim was out a few weeks ago, took around 100mg for an evening (first time in a club). Swim had a fantastc night, clean and pure, loved-up, chatty and dancing like swim was the only person in the building (really good night basically!)

Swim would like to know what the maxium in a night is advisable? Swim thought 100mg would be fine but began to come down around the 4 hour mark. Swim was talking to a girl who mentioned she takes upto 10 pills in a night?! Swim has no idea the content of the average pill (60mg MDMA?) but this just seemd like a hell of a lot on one evening.

Swim was happy with his 100mg but would have liked a top up around the 4-5 hour mark. Swim was planning to take him self another 50mg wrap next time. Swim thinks this would strengthen his buzz but also his crash? Swim doesn't want to go mad but likes to know the maxium highs and lows of his substances.

Swims read lots of conflicting things on the web and a fair bit on the fourms, would it be better to just start off with 150g and not topup?


Thanks!

[Fantasian]

The higher the dosage of MDMA the more intense but shorter the experience will be, the lower the dosage the longer however shorter the experience will be. Generally speaking the limiting factor is a persons serotonin level as oppose to the effects of the drug. If it were SWIF he would do 120mg and if that was not intense enough another 100mg in an hour. Redosing much after the 1 hour mark will increase the "speedy" like amphetamine effects but do little to provide further euphoria into the night. Most people find that choosing a later time to drop works better.

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ta for the MDMA post =)

[Mega maniac]

[quote=Fantasian;295616] the lower the dosage the longer however shorter the experience will be. quote]


Longer and Shorter

It really depends on your general usage of Ex as to how much you should be taking. SWIMM used to get a brilliant night off 2-3 pills, one or two to start off then one to top him up. However during a few weeks last year SWIMM went a bit mad during a few week period and was having to take 5-6 to get the same effects. To be honest SWIMM suffered a bit from this and lost almost a stone in 6 weeks (although this was also contributed to very little money for food). SWIMM thinks that when you are taking 10+ pills in a night you need to be questioning what is in those pills, because you can be damn sure there isnt much MDMA in there, meaning your popping 10+ pills of speed and other crap.

Just ensure you never take more than you know you can handle, different pills have different content, its how alot of people overdose, dont make the mistake.

[naatural]

I think that SWIY should take a little less, say 80mg, at the start and top up with another 60-80 at the 3 hour mark. SWIM finds this means he doesn't experience much of a crash during the experience, so he safely dance around a bit more in a party mood (ie if the first dose is too intense it might happen that swiy crashes hard enough after 4-5 hours that a small booster wouldnt bring much loviness)

Couple of months ago SWIM was out at a very late night (10pm-9am) with only 2 not very strong pills. This turned out to be a good thing, cos when he started to come down from the first around 3ish, although the original high wasnt epic, he was able to get a surprising amount of fun out of the second pill taken at 4ish.

[keats]

It really depends on your general usage of Ex as to how much you should be taking. SWIMM used to get a brilliant night off 2-3 pills, one or two to start off then one to top him up. However during a few weeks last year SWIMM went a bit mad during a few week period and was having to take 5-6 to get the same effects. [/quote]

The thing is if you find yourself building a tolerance to MDMA to the point where you're needing 200+mgs to get the same effects that's not a sign you need to start taking more, it's a sign you need to take a break. Even if you're positive the pills you're getting are pure mdma (which you're obviously not, at all) taking more than 150mg in a sitting more often than once every couple weeks is putting you at risk for neurotoxic effects. Scale this up to 300mg every day or some e-tard shit like that and you're PROBABLY going to suffer the effects of neurotoxicity. And that's all assuming you're getting straight MDMA, which you aren't.

If you get to the point where 2 average strength pills over the course of a night aren't doing it for you anymore then take a break to get your tolerance back down and your brain back in balance. MDMA is just about the worst drug to build up a large tolerance to. You build up a tolerance to opiates and you're wasting money and risking withdrawls, but by the time you've got some 50$ a day ecstasy habit you're not just wasting money, you're wasting your brain cells, possibly for good.

[Cavy182]

Funny SWIY should say 200 MG. It's molly night at the cassa and SWIM and mate plan to kick things off with a 200 MG blast with two anticipated 89 MG boosters later in the night. They have taken this much before and had no problem handling it. In fact the intensity was fantastic. Will follow up tomorrow with trip report although don't look for it too early in the day. They expect a full night of togetherness and bonding. SWIM and mate don't do MDMA for partying. They use it as a means of re bonding after the toll their hectic weekly lives suck most of the life out of the two of them. They are as close as close can be in their daily lives but these little breaks two of the closest people even closer and really enriches their lives. Peace to all and to all a good all a great night. Cavy182 and mate.

[elscorcho717]

200mg is an optimal dose... SWIY will feel fucking incredible

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Dangerous comments about dosage

[Fantasian]

Originally Posted by elscorcho717

200mg is an optimal dose... SWIY will feel fucking incredible

IF someone who found 100mg found they're night "awesome" and "strong" took double that i dont think they'd be in much of a state to enjoy a 6+ hour night off 200mg. It's much more likely theyd be curled up in the corner of the room eating most of their face. ANd probably for only about 2 hours after which they are so confused they dont know who their friends are.

200mg is a very high dose even for a long time or tolerant user.

[keats]

To be clear SWIM wasn't saying 200mg was an uncomfortable or not fun dose, in fact especially if one re-ups a few hours into a roll instead of popping 200 at once it can be quite pleasant. The point he was making is that is that if you find you can't even get a heavy roll out of 200mg (which is indeed a large doe by any reasonable standard) that your tolerance is getting dangerously high. 200 mg is on the borderline of a neurotoxic roll (SWIM would recommended 150 instead) but if you only do it occasionally it's probably fine for you, the point was more that you should avoid using MDMA enough to make 200mg seem like a light dose.

[Nagognog2]

Standard Dose: 120mg. With a booster dose of 40mg taken in 1 1/2 hour if desired.

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Ta for the MDMA post, I was waiting for your camel's input =)

[meep]

Thanks for all your posts, very helpful.

Swims planning to go with 100ish and boost around 50mg 2 hours in, hopefully this will give swim a slight kick and avoid any crash, does that sound plausible? This sounds about the general consensus and is around what swim was planning anyway so happy days.

On the 200mg notes, Swim has had around 180/200mg in one dose (eye measured from 500mg so who knows the exact amount), nice as it was, was too much in one sitting. Swim had a fantastic time but at higher doses swim seems to loose the love and the focus, he feels more detached from whats going on around him and can only watch where as 100mg seems to 'connect' him to what ever his focus is. Not sure if thats common for others or just swims very low tolerance but a note for any swimmers planing to bomb heavy loads to start off, doesn't seem to be worth it.

Swim will let the fishes know how his night went this comming sunday!

[Fantasian]

Originally Posted by keats

To be clear SWIM wasn't saying 200mg was an uncomfortable or not fun dose, in fact especially if one re-ups a few hours into a roll instead of popping 200 at once it can be quite pleasant. The point he was making is that is that if you find you can't even get a heavy roll out of 200mg (which is indeed a large doe by any reasonable standard) that your tolerance is getting dangerously high. 200 mg is on the borderline of a neurotoxic roll (SWIM would recommended 150 instead) but if you only do it occasionally it's probably fine for you, the point was more that you should avoid using MDMA enough to make 200mg seem like a light dose.

My post wasnt aimed at you keats, no worries, but rather the post above.

[Cavy182]

Well SWIMMERS, 200 was a magic number. SWIM said it really started to kick in after about 40 min. SWIM does admit to a lot of usage so maybe it is time to kick it back for a while but not tonight. SWIM and mate are back at it again tonight at the same levels as last week. They say the roll was fantastic. There is some agreement to having lost a little time that can't be accounted for, but other than that, the roll was great, it brought them a little closer (which is really saying something because you don't find two people who are closer to begin with) and it all made that god awful week before disappear as if it never happened and allowed them to approach Monday with a clear and open mind, which was part of the point of the roll in the first place. SWIM and mate promise to lay off for a few weeks to let all those little receptors recuperate and will probably dial back the dose in the future but for tonight, let the rafters ring. Peace be to all of you who follow these two and to all a good night

Cavy182 and Mate

[Kryx]

has anyone tried three seperate 80mg drops over the sace of the night? 2hr intervals. good idea or bad idea?
thx

[elscorcho717]

I told you 200 was the number to go with

[candy_kid]

typically for swim mdma will last 4-5 hours either way, swim has had low dose pills that tested pure (almost too low to feel) last 4 hours- 120mgs of pure last 4 hours and even had a dose of pure testing pills that was farrr too intense for swim (likely around 200mgs) last 4 hours (I'm not sure why people say they've had different durations)- Either way I would guess swiy will likely need to redose to keep effects going...

I've heard both neutral and bad theories about re-dosing in one night, neutral saying that its not too much worse, and bad saying that hangover tolerance and recovery all get increased. To sit on the side of caution, I'd recommend for swiy to avoid redosing (mdma is too good an effect to ruin in swim's opinion), and instead use 5-htp during the comedown to make the effects taper off into a fuzzy relaxation rather than a crash (this works in swim's experience)

either way, have fun!

[doppey]

Quick question. Friends of SWIM obtain MDMA in the form of a powder and they say from subjective experience of 200mg doses etc that the product is of a relativly high purity. These same friends are known to eat up to 1.5 grams of said powder on a "binge" of 2 days and up to 4 longer binge (sleeping every 2 days.)

I would ask that anyone with knowledge in this area speculate the potential health risks (future and present) of this kind of behavior.

SWIM knows about the neurotoxicity thing but what exactly does that mean for the user? If they dont have the typical "e-tard" traits like stuttering and memory loss is there a chance these will appear in the future?

Any imput would be much appreciated,
Thanks

[candy_kid]

^^ I believe most negative effects happen within a few days of finishing the binge. When your serotonin supplies are dry, dopamine moves in and takes it's place.. The problem here is that some things in your brain (I believe its MAO in this case) turn dopamine into hydrogen peroxide when clearing it out and this damages serotonin receptors-- MDMA itself doesn't cause this effect, however, at least one of it's metabolites does - http://www.neurotransmitter.net/mdmametabolites.html - suggesting that it could be a few days before toxic effects are seen... not likely longer than this however as damage will occur and after that the brain will be only repairing itself (unless the person redoses)

toxic effects of mdma typically cause effects around memory impairments and depression and will increase with increased mdma use. I believe typically its two weeks between doses for your brain to repair itself enough not to show symptoms of damage (and a month for tolerance/depression) - 5-htp and SSRIs may be able to reduce negative effects of mdma, so these may be things SWIY's friends could look into if they refuse not to use mdma safely.