Experiences - HIGH Dose Mushroom Experiences?

[fnord]

ok so form what ive read if someone takes enough mushrooms the experiences changes completely into something unlike a normal exp.how much is needed for this?whats the best way to dose to get there on the least amount?small doses every 30mins like dxm?or one big dose al at once?the mushrooms should probably be extracted so one dosent vomit them all up i would think.


anyone had experiance with this?

[vantranist]

SWIM has not noticed this actually.

The higher the dose too a certain point does not increase effects by much however side effects will go up.

FROM SWIM:

SWIM noticed a major change in epxreinced when mixed with 3 mg Xanax.

He actaully whent to another world on the peak... he imagined somthing like smoking DMT howeve he has only taken DMT orally.

He whent into a dream like state and came in contact with 3 entities, it was more than a dream tho, he got an actual sense of bliss from it, much like when you have a nightmare and wake up, the relife you get when you figar out it was just a dream is the feeling i was getting, however 100 times stronger and life was the dream i was waking up from.

The wierdest part is i didnt remember it untill a few hours after the trip ended. i knew i had this memory of this dream like state but couldent remeber when i had it, then i rememerd.

I am not exactly sure what i was doing when i got this state but i dont think i was actaully asleep.

I remember just rolling around on the floor like a madman for a while, laughing ang giggling.

[fnord]

how many grams?my buddy takes 7-15 once a week.

[TMM]

Originally Posted by fnord

how many grams?my buddy takes 7-15 once a week.

What strain? That's already a massive amount.

[jesusfreak666er]

haha ye 7 g of quality dried mush should be one heck of a trip......15g to swim is unthinkable but sparks curiosity then fear, swim cant imagine a 15g trip

[fnord]

hawians and tapalpa 50/50% usually but the mix can vary depending on what he has around.

[TMM]

Originally Posted by fnord

hawians and tapalpa 50/50% usually but the mix can vary depending on what he has around.

And these are regular strength trips? Wow. Unless I'm missing something, either those are very weak cubensis or your buddy has a big tryptamine tolerance. Probably the latter.

[fnord]

no tolerance no week shrooms,he just loves to go overboard.


T. McKenna conducted a survey that was highly influential in the development of this study, in that its results suggested that the audible voice phenomenon was dosage-related. He has also stated that for some individuals, as much as 9.5 grams of dried mushrooms are required to elicit a voice, and also that other conditions and techniques may be necessary to hear a voice. Though there are a number of different types of voice experiences, the common thread running through them all is the imparting of information to the listener. This is the crucial importance of voices. In traditional usage, the mushroom voices give healing information. While there are many reports of experiences with psilocybin that do not include the phenomenon of voices, it should be noted that "the Indians recognize that it is not to everyone that they speak" (Munn, 1976). Perhaps they do not speak to one for a number of reasons: poor mental set, the lack of a technique to elicit a voice, poor environmental setting, old or improperly stored mushroom material weakening the psychoactive effects, insufficient dosage, psilocybin mushrooms versus synthetic psilocybin, poor absorption in the stomach, idiosyncratic body chemistry, mental experience, a person's sensory input style, or not enough experiences with psilocybin (use over time may deepen the experience, as with LSD in psychotherapy) (Grof, 1985, 1988).


i think i read a report somewhere about cureing addiction and 80gram doses but cant seam to find it.

[fnord]

sorry for posting back to back to back,but i felt the thread should be updated with this new info:

Originally Posted by Earlocybin

Well among other things, extreme doses of psilocybin can cause loss of motor control and even a sort of temporary "total disconnection" from consciousness (a ++++ and beyond experience) and it becomes something totally different than the recreational trips we are familiar with. It goes from being the regular varying pleasant/unpleasant weird and wonderous psychedelic experience to being an uncontrollable roller coaster ride through heaven and hell and at that point there's nothing you can do to stop it I mean if you really REALLY want to get to that level, for whatever reason, at least DON'T consume them all at once but take it in smaller steps (maybe 1-2 grams at a time) as SWIM suggested before so you can gauge if you'll be able to handle it or not.

[augentier]

What exactly is this "voice" you speak of? Sounds intriguing..is it an auditory hallucination or something on a totally diff. level (like mind-communication with the spirit/essence of the shroom)?

[fnord]

oops thats a quote from erowid sorry!

[vantranist]

SWIM had tried 2g doses-12g doses at about 5 it seems to stop for SWIM.

However he is also very sensitive to pychedlics... 2g gives him FULL effect as is.

He has also tried multiple doeses with 4-aco-DMT and the trips do the same thing, as in when you reach a certain point it doesnt get any better.

I mention the 4-ACO-DMT because that i have in a pure form and know the exact dosage im taking, wheres shrooms protency can viery from one batch too the next.

I dont advise going over 5... i have had some short term health problems from doses over 5g.. so swim told me

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[lexmark]

might as well be taking acid and save yourself some money and the trouble of eating it if you want to take that high of a dose.

I would like to experience that audible voice phenomenon but after bad tripping once im scared to go over 4 grams.

[fnord]

Originally Posted by lexmark

might as well be taking acid and save yourself some money and the trouble of eating it if you want to take that high of a dose.

I would like to experience that audible voice phenomenon but after bad tripping once i

m scared to go over 4 grams.

too completely different highs,plus since when do mushrooms cost money?

my buddy's had his high dose acid exp. hes now looking for something different,not to say he dosent love acid!just looking for something to do with trash bags full of mushrooms!seeing as he dosent sell more then enough to feed himself and supply that life giving necter called beer.

[vantranist]

ACid and shrooms have some def differences, however its still is a trip i guess, but its foolish to compare the two.

Also whoever gave me neg rating for not SWIming. I did...

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[lexmark]

o ok, swim just thought acid was the same buzz but just stronger and without the feeling of euphoria.

swim has never been able to get his hands on any acid

[vantranist]

Too tell you the truth, if you're unexpreinced not too much will be noted as different.

But infact it is once you get more fimilar.

SWIM could hardly tell the diff between oral DMT, LSA, Shrooms when he had only done each once.

Now it is quite different.

[lexmark]

and which do you now prefer?

[fnord]

OFF TOPIC!!! give me back my thread!!!jk i dony care... DMT of course.and im not sure why he didint but you should be able to see a diffrence between those drugs.

[vantranist]

SWIM preferes LSD like compounds above all else, but DMT was a unque expreince, would love to try it again.

losing his intrest in shrooms possibly because he has triped 1-2 times a week for the psat 4 months...

anyways back on topic, I have heard people taking higher doses to get these different effects as well. However mixing it with somthing else to get that effect might be a better idea, because you will need less of each substance and that will usaully mean less side effects.

SWIMS Limbs and fingers start to become tingly and numb at extream doses of shrooms, first time it happend it scared the shit outa him.

[Beeker]

SWIM would suggest fresh Psilocybe Cubensis starting at 50 grams and work up to 80 grams. SWIM does NOT take this lightly nor should SWYM.

SWIM blends the mushrooms in OJ, pours into 2 glasses, and drinks them on an empty stomach. SWIM doesn't mind the taste or texture but many do. SWIM would go the tea route if SWYM has nausea.

If SWYM knows how to grow Cubensis then challenge SWYM to try Panaeolus cyanescens. It's almost as easy to cultivate, thrives in the same environmental variables, yet is far stronger.

Panaeolus cyanescens would be 21 fresh grams compared to 50 fresh grams of Psilocybe Cubensis or 22-23 fresh grams of the, much harder to cultivate wood lover, Psilocybe Azurescens.

SWIMs checklist:

• 24 hours of no stress prior - no family fights, no workload, nothing
• an environment that is controlled like a home or apartment - a hotel can be noisy, etc.
• No one around. NO ONE and no pets.
• anything that can stimulate SWYM's senses - remove them. No Lights, no music, everything removed but a place to sit or lie down.
• CEV is fine but a room with no windows at midnight is what SWYM wants.
• if SWYM wants to smoke a joint ... roll it first and have a lighter next to it.
• pay attention because the landscape will be "impossible" so when SWYM comes down at least some of the content can be of use to SWYM.
• Forget about trying to explain the experience to others with words because no one will take SWYM seriously or understand.
• Very few will have the balls to step into THAT church ever. If SWYM isn't grounded in their reality then expect madness as the Ego will fight instinctively.

The experience? SWIM would say it's an understanding of infinity to the point where it seems finite? The universe gains dimensions that were invisible (to SWYM anyway) and there you will find something you could never have conceived of in your lifetime ... the content is just to much for the CNS to store away.

As for the Logos, the voice, the 'other', SWIM sertainly has had verbal contact with something out of SWIM. It wasn't schizophrenia SWIM knows this for sure. SWIM has seen entities on DMT but heard entities on shrooms if that makes sense. SWIM has been unable to recreate this with the analogs or homologue of 4-XX-dmt (4-ho-mipt, 4-aco-dipt, 4-aco-dmt and so forth).

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	THANKS!!!! just what i was loking for.
	Good, detailed advice and an intriguing post.

[Earlocybin]

Originally Posted by fnord

ok so form what ive read if someone takes enough mushrooms the experiences changes completely into something unlike a normal exp.how much is needed for this?whats the best way to dose to get there on the least amount?small doses every 30mins like dxm?or one big dose al at once?the mushrooms should probably be extracted so one dosent vomit them all up i would think.


anyone had experiance with this?

If you're referring to the post SWIM made in another thread, yes the experience of any compound can come to a point where it is something different entirely. This is the ++++ experience (according to the Shulgin scale) which is said to be:

A rare and precious transcendental state, which has been called a 'peak experience', a 'religious experience,' 'divine transformation,' a 'state of Samadhi' and many other names in other cultures. It is not connected to the +1, +2, and +3 of the measuring of a drug's intensity. It is a state of bliss, a participation mystique, a connectedness with both the interior and exterior universes, which has come about after the ingestion of a psychedelic drug, but which is not necessarily repeatable with a subsequent ingestion of that same drug. If a drug (or technique or process) were ever to be discovered which would consistently produce a plus four experience in all human beings, it is conceivable that it would signal the ultimate evolution, and perhaps the end of, the human experiment.

A high dosage isn't the only thing required to reach such a state, and I think actually attempting to reach such a state is the wrong way to go about it. It's one of those things that can only come to you when least expected SWIM thinks. By the way, taking 7-15 grams of mushrooms (dry?) per week will certainly build up a strong tolerance to tryptamines so if you are looking to reach this level you'd likely need a month's break at least after such a large consumption. SWIM has read one experience report on Erowid about a man who had a ++++ experience once and desperately wanted to do so again so he took a high dosage of DMT, 2C-e, some other RCs and an MAOI and ended up having one nightmare of a trip so SWIM would think increasing the dosage will just eventually backfire.

[rs180216]

SWIM is planning to take 15 g of dried liberty caps. I'll get an update from him afterwards. Does anyone here have any advise for him as to how long to expect this journey to last?

[fnord]

8-10 hours the room bounces up and down alot i hear its fun.

[maz-manik]

swim had eaten 7gms cubinsis and he said his eyes felt under pressure and really tight.
he was saying that he could not reckonize betwen eyes open an eyes closed he was trippin so hard.he had not done mm for about 1yr bfore that.