Other - Cocaine substitutes & alternatives

[legalsmoke]

This product was sold in just one place having this name. It's true that it's similar to the real product. It was found a short time and then for unknown reasons has been withdrawn from the market. Fot sure that the product can be find with other name in the specialty stores. It's little more expensiv and better than Charge+, depends the place where u get it. For thoes who are interested about the subject, please contact me.

[Benga]

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[bLuE]

when SWIM was low back in the day he would crush up methylphenidate pills to substitute. he liked the effects esp. with one or two beer, no more though. even though it was fillery and didnt give good numb's it did the trick. swim has heard of vitamin b12 being insnufflated with some stimulating effects. then again swiy could search, bath salts, or legal snuffs in a million places and find charge +, ivory wave, vinilla sky, raz, snowblow ect ect.... charge + has been said to be pretty good.... but its impossible to find a substitute with the standards some people on DF have. ivory wave and vanilla sky are reported as potentially very risky.

caffine really does share a similar effect profile with cocaine and i think maybe pure caffine would be the best legal substitute. then methylphenidate which is controlled, then RC's which are in shades of grey and can be quite risky.

[kevsatim]

hey metalisnifty

swim was wondering about your post about the coca leaves tea? if swim buys them leaves can u use them to extract cocaine out of them or are they different types of leaves? has swim tried the tea?? think swim will get some sent over swim will probably get locked up if swim gets caught lol

[Benga]

Originally Posted by kevsatim

hey metalisnifty

swim was wondering about your post about the coca leaves tea? if swim buys them leaves can u use them to extract cocaine out of them or are they different types of leaves? has swim tried the tea?? think swim will get some sent over swim will probably get locked up if swim gets caught lol

coca leaves are no cocaine substitute, but a mild and healthy stimulant.
there is a forum on coca in the ethnobotanical section of the forum, and a detailed article in the DF wiki, which swiyou'll probably find informative on the subject. Coca is not cocaine.

discussions on theoretical extraction of cocaine from coca leaves belong in the chemistry section-- but really coca is much more valuable to swim in its full spectrum leaf form than focusing on the cocaine alkaloids

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[fiveleggedrat]

There is no true alternative to cocaine. Not at least an accessible, legal, affordable one.

Meth and amphetamines are a step down from cocaine in terms of overall risk. Swim does not recommend.

Yohimbe can cause very serious health complications. Please research yohimbe before trying it. Also, yohimbe is not euphoric. It is mostly a body stimulant.

[imyourlittlebare]

Originally Posted by betsym

What muidumees is describing sounds like the "runner's high" which comes from the release of endorphins due to prolonged, intense exercise. It is said to be 50 times stronger than Morphine, swim believes. It is a "natural" high and the body's response to the pain built up from such intense exercise.

Swim never heard of any cocaine substitutes but thought that any supplement that works on the dopamine would give a similar feeling. Swim has found during her reading and research that the largest, single release of dopamine in the body at one time is at the point of orgasm. The cocaine "rush" would probably be the second largest release but swim needs to do more research on that to confirm.Swim has been testing and doing research for a while on "natural highs" and dopamine agonists has been a big part of it. So far, though, there hasn't been anything in her laoratory that will come close enough to replacing cocaine.

enkephalins are actually 200 times the potency of morphine and would be a different reaction than cocaine since the mechanisms of action are very different. Dopamine is involved but its two distict systems.

wellbutrin has been used as a treatment option for those who use cocaine. Its found to work very well. Also, the GABA-B agonists baclofen has been found to be very useful in the treatment of cocaine addiction. It stopped rats from using cocaine and its also been successful in human trials and for the treatment of alcohol addiction and opiate addiction.

As for a cocaine "alternative", while dopamine is involved, there are many other factors to its use. Its where the dopamenergic effect is occuring, its the effects it has on blocking the reuptake of dopamine and causing it to deplete faster than it can be synthasized while post synaptic cells make more dopamine receptors almost like they are searching for the dopamine but just cant find enough. So thats the irony of cocaine. One of the reasons its so good is because you really cant get enough.

And in case ANYONE was thinking about using an MAO-I or wellbutrin or other such drugs to increase the duration of action of cocaine do not. Its too dangerous. I dont want anything happening to peoples pets.

[Joe_Pinko]

SWIM has recently experienced two commercial products which do well with satisfying SWIM's "nose itch".

Charge + and Dusted are decent cocaine substitutes, in SWIM's opinion.

[90%.]

Originally Posted by Joe_Pinko

SWIM has recently experienced two commercial products which do well with satisfying SWIM's "nose itch".

Charge + and Dusted are decent cocaine substitutes, in SWIM's opinion.

what are they?

[Joe_Pinko]

Vague, but that's the nature of the beast:

Charge +: Vitamin C, Magnesium, Creatine, Amino Acids Blend, Caffeine, Herbal Blends, Hoodia, Minerals

Dusted: No ingredients given on the website selling it, but SWIM seems to remember a similarly vague list on the packaging and this product does not contain caffeine.

[hilly220]

Hi people, first post here.
Swim tried the `dusted` bath salts at the weekend and was VERY surprised how good it was. A gram over a few hours and swim said there was no sore nose of crap feeling in the morning.
was swims first legal and might try the `charge+` although expensive at £35 a gram