alternatives to opiates? best withdrawl help?

[BakaBilly]

for the last 7 years SWIM has dealt with extreme pain every morning. Sometimes this pain is coupled with terrible nausea. At least 3 - 5 times a year SWIM goes to the ER to get releif. It takes about a good 6 hours of non-stop pain for SWIM to finally go to the ER and when he does go to the ER it takes at least 3 - 4 mgs of dilaudid to help.

Well for SWIM this has been the best of times and the worst of times. During the start of this year SWIM was prescribed Tramadol. The Trams helped some but SWIM has such a high tolerence to opiates that it took him at least 200mg to feel any pain releif.

After talking to a new doctor SWIM was prescribed oxycontnin. 60 of the lil 10mg pills to be taken twice daily.

This script has changed his life dramaticaly. SWIM can do anything, eat anything and pretty much go back to living his life.

However, SWIM is stupid. He sold a great deal of his script and used more than 2 a day for the pain.

Now SWIM is about 2 weeks from the next refill and the doctors there are even considering telling SWIM that they are going to take him off of the oxys.

Right now SWIM is dealing with the worst withdrawl symptoms wishing he could find someone with some percs, vicodins..anything. Is there anything over the counter SWIM can take to get rid of this shitty feeling?

And is there anything SWIM can do to keep this script coming his way?

FYI: SWIM deals with IBS/IBD pain on a daily basis.

as of this writting SWIM is huffing computer cleaner to make the pain go away if just for a minute.

[nleksan]

First off: Stop huffing computer cleaner!! That shit will kill you!!

Second: Try Kratom or Kava. Kratom is much stronger, but SWIM finds that Kava is very relaxing and helps with any kind of withdrawal. Also, SWIY could make poppy seed tea.

[BakaBilly]

Ya SWIM shouldnt have done that with the computer cleaner. Its funny, when swim was much younger and in high school he would never have done it. But now that SWIM suffers from chronic pains (that get worse with withdrawls.) he will grab at anything. The computer cleaner was offereing at least 30 seconds of releif. SWIM can see now how the 2nd highest cause of death among chronic pain sufferers is suicide. Accidental I imagine....

SWIM almost killed himself the other day taking too many Xanax. If there were more he would have taken more. Good thing there wasnt.

[mojofo]

Swim has a neurological disorder called Dystonia or ST/CD. It effects Swims muscles in the neck and gives very bad spasms and extremely terrible pain mostly in the neck and makes everything else hurt as well as makes daily normal chores a nightmare bcause Swim's neck literally get's stuck! In the past eight years Swim has tried just about every med. u can think of for the pain. Swim even had med. botox inj. in the neck (8) at a time evry three months for loosening muscles of the neck. As a last resort at the time one of Swim's new Dr.s recommended Duragesic patches(morphene/fentanol). As Swims swears taken morphene as prescribed ,never abused Swim's body quickly became addicted. Seeing as though you can't just stop the morphene and pull a 175mcg. patch off due to severe withdrawl Swim wound up in rehab. Since then Swim is still in terrible pain. I definatley wouldn't do the computer cleaner thing and would definatley stop all of the opiates and addicting med.'s It is easier said than done seeing that Swim is definatley no angel, and that just take "ibuprophen" isn't enough. Swim doesn't know your diagnosis and wishes Swim could help more. IF anything Swim might recommend percocet but once again you might make your situation worse. I would definatley try to find some other natural remedy instead like weed(lol) or the poppyseed tea. Sorry couldn't help more.

[ironmics]

Poppyseed tea is not going to help him at all, just make him further dependent. I say if you can make it the two weeks you should tell your doc to take you off them. Otherwise you got a long hard road ahead. Oh and kratom would be much better than PST by the way since it's not a full agonist like PST would be.

[mojofo]

When it comes down to it all of that is true and having your Dr. help ween you off of those meds. or even rehab if necessary may be the best way or only way because it really sounds like you are in a bind. Especially if you almost OD'd on Xanax.

[ironmics]

Just to make swiy feel better about a big mistake taking so much Xanax. It is almost impossible to die from an overdose of just benzos, usually benzo od's occur when mixed with opiates or alcohol. On wikipedia there is a report of a man who ingested 2 GRAMS of valium, went into a coma, but was out of the hospital in two days. Yes that is grams not milligrams, I believe that is the equivilent of 200 milligrams of xanax, which would be near impossible to get a hold of that much.

By the way what kind of pain is it? Gabapentin with amitriptyline made a pretty big difference for a pinched nerve in my back.

[kratom_]

Originally Posted by BakaBilly

. But now that SWIM suffers from chronic pains (that get worse with withdrawls.) he will grab at anything.

its the pain pills, swi always said swi would never do cocaine, swi grew up around crack heads, but after getting hooked on vicodin swi snorted a tiny bit, not enough to get him high but i think swi might have that night if i had a chance.

by the way computer cleaner shit is worthless go get a air can of wipp cream before you fucking kill yourself! inhale the wipp cream air, youl be in lala land for 5 seconds. not opiate lala land unfortunately

the problem with chronic pain addicts = they don't even know what the hell there popping, and so they don't even think they have a problem i do feel sorry for them addicts like swi made the choice you all got perscribed. just to let you all know tho your eating an addicting substance, just think the pills you pop come from the same plant herion does, so why does the government make H look so evil? Well it is, so why would they perscribe something thats even stronger like fentanl?

[EyesOfTheWorld]

We do have a full subforum on kratom, SWIY could find all the info he/she needs there. In my friend's opinion it is the best legal (in 99% of countries) way to stop wd's, and with high powered extracts (UEI, 25x, 15x etc) SWIY might even get a faint glow. As for dealing with the sdie fx or wd:
For diarrhea: Loperamide (immodium or generic) It is an opiate but cannot cross the BBB without a lot of chemistry bullshit that my friend tells me is almost impossible even when fixed up, let alone junksick
For vomiting: Pepto. It actually does what it's supposed to do
For anxiety/sleeplessness: Benzos/ambien if swiy has access, or kava kava if not. Kava is best ground fine and mixed into a milk or other dairy-based product (milkfats bind to kavalactones and make them more effective)
For pain: otc pain meds until the kratom arrives
For wd-specific pain (that ache in the bones, pain swiy never knew existed) supplement with magnesium and B-vitamins as wd can deplete these.
Another idea for sleep would be melatonin.
For general feeling-better LOW DOSE DXM (more than needed for cough, but less than needed for full-on trip.....SWIM cannot handle tripping on dex whilst dopesick. try 150 mgs (half a bottle of robogels)
Sometimes it is best to take such a powerful drug that swiys mind and body will be distracted from the experience, such as LSD or MDMA, especially MDMA, if pure
Temporary anaesthesia can be achieved through nitrous oxide, but SWIM thinks a small tank would be needed, or a fuck-ton of crackers.
SWIMs best advice, get some kratom NOW. Have it overnight shipped. It will cost a pretty penny but will relieve most of SWIYs suffering. Also please order from an established, legit kratom vendor, not a fly by nighter, or risk being ripped off or sold bad krat.

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Originally Posted by RealMadBull

Fuck this stupid swim! I fucking hate douchebags that claim to be in morbid amounts of pain and sell off their meds. Fuck them. I hope your ass catches fire.[/quot

and swim hopes you get banned. your an idiot and i know that just from reading your one post. we only need people with active minds here.

Thank swiy for saying what was on swim's mind. people do what they have to do for $ (we are a drug forum, remember) and unless they keep fucking up and making the same mistake every month, they should not be insulted for it. We are here to help.

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Good post. Showing the OP the way to more info on Kratom and then breaking it down to show what can be useful for each s...

[pixplzthx]

Well, after talking to the kid around the corner, I found out that when the meds are running low, TKATC takes 180 mgs of DXM. But only once. The TKATC just waits until the meds are refilled. Once, TKATC took almost 400 mg and the the pain diminished significantly for days.

I couldn't get a straight answer on why it helps. TKATC just says "It just does". So, once again, I have now idea why it works or if it will even work for you. I have to be honest though: I'm not sure I'd recommend it. Anyone know what this might help?

(The kid around the corner has cervical problems and has pain daily and constantly.)

[ironmics]

Originally Posted by pixplzthx

Well, after talking to the kid around the corner, I found out that when the meds are running low, TKATC takes 180 mgs of DXM. But only once. The TKATC just waits until the meds are refilled. Once, TKATC took almost 400 mg and the the pain diminished significantly for days.

I couldn't get a straight answer on why it helps. TKATC just says "It just does". So, once again, I have now idea why it works or if it will even work for you. I have to be honest though: I'm not sure I'd recommend it. Anyone know what this might help?

(The kid around the corner has cervical problems and has pain daily and constantly.)

Well I believe DXM has sigma receptor binding strenth which could lead to pain relief, since I believe is where enkelphins bind. Also it's isomer levorphanol is a very potent mu agonist.

[merc11292]

loperamide (imodium AD) mite help a little, its also an opiate but doesnt cross the blood brain barrier, it should help with IBS and ive heard it helps withdrawl symptoms a bit, some1 above mentioned dxm, thatd prolly help too its also a opiate just a different kind, if swiy tries dxm though be careful, some kid in my town died drinking a bottle of cough syrup with dxm, prolly dint help that he was doin smack too tho

[BakaBilly]

well SWIM has been diagnosed with IBS. SWIM was doing the weed thing but hot damn it takes so much just to get rid of the pain and by that time SWIM is super stoned and broke.

SWIM is starting a 20mg a day routine of Oxy, perscribed by a doctor. SWIM is sure that this will be temporary but at least he might save some money.

[Emmajs]

Kratom is definitely the best way to avoid withdraw symptoms. It even helps great with withdraw from methadone or poppy pods.

[BakaBilly]

SWIM thanks you for replies. Not one of them said "omg youre stupid" which is what SWIM kind of expected.

What is Kratom? Is it easily obtainable?

SWIM says that Xanax works pretty well for the cravings but it messes him up pretty good. SWIM thinks it taps into some part of his brain that just turns him into this mess of a person who cant even think for himself. SWIM would never think to just pop pill after pill. But for some reason pain+xanax led to just that.

The Immodium thing sounds like a solid plan as well. Especially if it has an opiate ingredient but doesnt get one "high".

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Pain a bitch, but hang in there

[mojofo]

Swim's Father has IBS and was taking Prilosec OTC and then Protonix but nothing for pain. Swim's Father is a true alcholholic so really that is what "helps his pain". Swim would not suggest this at all for anyone else. Swim is almost sure your Dr.s at hosp. suggested these meds. to you for IBS. These would intern help probably give you better management of your situation. Swim knows that Protonix won't help withdrawl but when you get through it maybe you should look into one of these med.s if you havent already. Good luck!

[BakaBilly]

Originally Posted by mojofo

Swim's Father has IBS and was taking Prilosec OTC and then Protonix but nothing for pain. Swim's Father is a true alcholholic so really that is what "helps his pain". Swim would not suggest this at all for anyone else. Swim is almost sure your Dr.s at hosp. suggested these meds. to you for IBS. These would intern help probably give you better management of your situation. Swim knows that Protonix won't help withdrawl but when you get through it maybe you should look into one of these med.s if you havent already. Good luck!

Ya for SWIM drinking usually makes things worse. With one exception. SWIM has noticed that when he goes out to the bars with friends and has 1 or 2 rum&cokes he feels quite a bit better in the morning then he usually does. If SWIM over does it and drinks alot more SWIM gets just the opposite reaction and has a horrible morning.

SWIM is looking up Protonix now. If SWIM can find something else that works really good maybe SWIM can make a few bucks on the side hocking his pills.

[Psych0naut]

Originally Posted by BakaBilly

SWIM thanks you for replies. Not one of them said "omg youre stupid" which is what SWIM kind of expected.

What is Kratom? Is it easily obtainable?

SWIM says that Xanax works pretty well for the cravings but it messes him up pretty good. SWIM thinks it taps into some part of his brain that just turns him into this mess of a person who cant even think for himself. SWIM would never think to just pop pill after pill. But for some reason pain+xanax led to just that.

The Immodium thing sounds like a solid plan as well. Especially if it has an opiate ingredient but doesnt get one "high".

Kratom is the leaf from the mitragyna speciosa, a plant grown in several asian countries, and which is still legal in most countries in the world. It can be obtained from internet retailers. Google it.

[jerbles]

IBS is irratable bowel syndrome, right? Do you just have to shit a lot or something? If so, the opiates should help with that, due to constipation. Am I right?

[BakaBilly]

Yes thats what IBS is. And it can be different for alot of people. Some people ive met with it eat something and have to shit immediatly afterwards. I on the other hand eat something and get struck with nausea and crazy pain.

Ive never had really bad "D" but the opiates have helped return things to "normal" and I imagine people with the kind of IBS that just makes you shit like crazy could benefit from opiates.

I guess this is why Immodium AD helps with the runs because as some people have pointed out it does have an opiate like substance in it. (?)

[jerbles]

well take a shitload of immodium AD then. maybe that'll help

[blackirish]

swim is on amitriptyline for chronic orchalgia (chronic testicular pain. it's even worse than it sounds) and it does nothing other than possibly improving his mood. he buys 8mg dilaudids for 10$ a peice and they are the only reason that swim has not shot himself in the face(preferably at the doctor's office).

[Ganja Joe]

Hi Billy,

I know you asked this question in July, I'm a newb here... but here's a late answer in future.

I am in the healthcare field and write prescriptions every day... Along time ago in school, when I took pharmacology, we were told that anybody could go to the pharmacist and ask them for "Tylenol with Codeine Elixir", which is basically a cough medicine. You can request this without a doctors prescription.

Now this was back in Michigan, in the late 80's when I was in school... I dont know if this varies state to state, or if pharmacists can still dispense Codeine Elixir without a script.

Might be worth a phone call next time SWIY is in a slump?

[merc11292]

Originally Posted by Ganja Joe

Hi Billy,

I know you asked this question in July, I'm a newb here... but here's a late answer in future.

I am in the healthcare field and write prescriptions every day... Along time ago in school, when I took pharmacology, we were told that anybody could go to the pharmacist and ask them for "Tylenol with Codeine Elixir", which is basically a cough medicine. You can request this without a doctors prescription.

Now this was back in Michigan, in the late 80's when I was in school... I dont know if this varies state to state, or if pharmacists can still dispense Codeine Elixir without a script.

Might be worth a phone call next time SWIY is in a slump?

i dont think the pharmacists can give codeine cough syrup anymore, i think you need a script for em now. drugs are monitored pretty crazy now, compared to just a few decades ago. my mother told me a while back the pharmacists used to give her paragoric. Now they keep sudafed behind the counter. im gonna ask my local pharmacist about it though ive had a terrible cough for about 2 weeks, a doctor gave me some hydrocodone cough syrup but was a jerk and gave me enough for 2 days.

[jerbles]

I'm sure this "elixer" wouldn't contain enough codeine to really do anything anyways (without ingesting loads of tylenol).