Opinions - Is Diphenhydramine the only drug to cause true hallucinations?

[Rio Fantastic]

Is Diphenhydramine the drug that LSD is sometimes portrayed to be...you know, huge spiders, pink giraffes and those kind of true hallucinations?

[Broshious]

All of the deliriants will do that (Dimenhydrinate, Datura, etc).

[LexaproHo]

Pheniramine maleate (in Australia called 'Avil') is a particularly intense deliriant when taken improperly. The difference between this and the others is that pheniramine caused swim to experience the sensation of a large lump in swim's throat which would not go away when he was intoxicated on it. Nasty.

[JDreaming]

LSD would not be likely to make a person see pink giraffes, since pink giraffes don't exist... it usually just gives a new and shifted perspective on everything seen without causing true hallucinations.

Dipenhydramine probably wouldn't make you see pink giraffes, but at high doses it could cause true hallucinations and dreamlike states, where apparitions might appear and such... though at those dosages one might fall asleep shortly after the interesting effects began.

Datura and other nightshades have a very high likelihood of causing true hallucinations sustained over a long period, but are insanely dangerous. SWIM would never, ever touch them... nor is he particularly interested in Dipen-tripping.

[merc11292]

theres a difference between Diphenhydramine trips and say lsd trips, Diphenhydramine doesnt make odd things, instead of seeing a purple elephant youd see something that could really be there like your friend yelling at you or a realistic spider chasing you, i have a friend who tried it and it just scared the shit out of him. I've heard dxm makes you tripout good though

[Psych0naut]

You have 3 major classes of psychedelics. The serotonergic psychedelics, like LSD, psilocybe mushrooms and DMT, they all change your perception, but don't cause you to see things that aren't there, they just change the look of things that are already there. Than we have the dissociatives, like DXM, ketamine and PCP, they can make you see things that aren't there in high doses, you'll can probably recognise what is real and what not. The last class are the deliriants, like the tropane alkaloids scopolamine, atropine and hyosciamine, and the antihistamines like diphenhydramine, cyclizine and promethazine. They aren't really psychedelics, since they don't change your perception, but create a completely fake reality, which can't be separated from reality, and makes you see things that are not there, like your deceased grandmother, or a talking ant.

[Stiffy]

Originally Posted by Psych0naut

You have 3 major classes of psychedelics. The serotonergic psychedelics, like LSD, psilocybe mushrooms and DMT, they all change your perception, but don't cause you to see things that aren't their, the just change the look of things that are already there. Than we have the dissociatives, like DXM, ketamine and PCP, they can make you see things that aren't there in high doses, you'll can probably recognise what is real and what not. The last class are the deliriants, like the tropane alkaloids scopolamine, atropine and hyosciamine, and the antihistamines like diphenhydramine, cyclizine and promethazine. They aren't really psychedelics, since they don't change your perception, but create a completely fake reality, which can't be seperated from reality, and makes you see things that are not there, like your deceased grandmother, or a talking ant.

In some cases, can't serotonergic psychedelics cause you to see things that aren't there? I've read many a trip reports from LSD where there were things that were visualized that weren't there but nothing too extreme or ridiculous. Also, with DMT... I've read about people meeting aliens and other extreme things like this.

[JDreaming]

DMT is known to create such intricate visual states that one could move through an imagined reality or make contact with seemingly sentient entitites, that is true. While it is a little different from delirious "true hallucinations", short acting and ultra-powerful seratonergic psychedelics like DMT can distort reality beyond recognition and then form alien entities and new landscapes. And occasionally psychedelic use can create psychotic states in some people, especially people with previous psychotic tendencies who take large doses of powerful chemicals like LSD... in which case one might not be able to distinguish fantasy from reality, and might see imagined creatures or situations. But 99% of the time, classic psychedelics like acid and mushrooms should only distort or amplify true reality, without really changing it.

[icantremembermylegs]

lets not forget Salvia Divinorum

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=35

An extremely potent delrriant