fentanyl patch question

[iloveoxys03]

swim just got 60 fentanyl patchs 75mch/h 72hour patch and swim does not want to smoke the gel swim wants advice in how to best enjoy these without smoking?

[fnord]

lol just put on one,wait 4-5 hours if your buddys not high then im confused!

my friends terminally ill grandmother once said ¨i dont like these new meds,they make me hallucinate,can you guys throw them away for me?¨


and we proceeded to take them to a place certified in disposing on such things immediately...

[bob78]

Swim always used to wear a patch (for legitimate reasons) but would also chew a bit or put it under his tongue. Be careful though, swim once chewed a whole patch and had a seizure.

[iloveoxys03]

swim wants to know any way to dry and snort any help would be great

[fnord]

Originally Posted by iloveoxys03

swim wants to know any way to dry and snort any help would be great

sure are you suicidal? if so put it under a light bulb after scraping all the goodies out.snort and have fun slipping off into neverland...
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fentanyl is one of the strongest opiates youll find.thers no need to snort or do anything with it.if you really want to and you have a strong tollerence eat a small tiny amount while wearing the patch.dont blame me if you die though.swim passed out and woke up in a hopsicle after eating 1/4 of a patch. dont say you weren't warned.

[Wflash]

If I was the kind of person irresponsible enough to give out such advice (which of course I'm not) I'd say -

Just eat them. Cut off an 1/8th of a patch first time and chew it down - less even, til who ever it is trying this works out how much works for them. Be careful though as it's strong stuff indeed.

Or, if someone's actually been prescribed these things, eat bits of used ones once they come off. They've still got a quarter of the original amount of drug in them after 72 hours. I actually suspect that one can get a better bioavailablity out of them once they're less sticky if he/she's just swallowing them.

Be careful and keep breathing.

[Lisa J]

SWIM changes her patches every other day so how much fentanyl is she wasting, if SWIM starts eating whats left of her patches will she be able to stop using heroin?.

[fnord]

lisa if you offered my grandmother a bag of dope or a 2 day old used up patch you can bet shed take that patch!

[IdahoSpeed]

So if SWIM had a 75mg patch, and swin wanted a very low dose, SWIM would cut the patch into quarters and place on skin??

[fnord]

no you cant cut the patch and reuse it the goo would leak out,and people would wonder why the guy walking down the street was licking his arm.you could only use the patch for a few hours untill you felt enough of a buzz

[Lisa J]

SWIM is changing her patch now, will also try eating a little bit of the old one, has to be a little bit as SWIM had a ten bag only a couple of hours ago and would still like to wake up in the morning. SWIM has never ate a patch before and thinks it's probably going to taste nasty. If eating fentanyl works well enough SWIM could even think about giving up the heroin.

[fnord]

eat a very very very small amount and wait 2 hours before useing more,id suggest 1/10?well actually i wouldent suggest it at all.not that my buddy wouldent do it himself.because he would in a heart beat!

[Lisa J]

SWIM managed to swill down about an eighth of a patch with some water (couldn't face chewing it), SWIM went off into a blissful sleep, not even hearing the alarm buzzing for an hour, eventually staggering out of bed about 9:00 this morning. SWIM wishes she could remember how good it was but she can't so will have to try it again, perhaps a smaller amount or without the heroin. On a plus note, SWIM is only just starting to think about her next hit of gear so ingesting fentanyl may work as a means of getting off the stuff, going to have to be bloody careful about mixing this stuff with methadone SWIM thinks.

[dt3689]

to althoughs who have talked about eating fentanyl patches swim knows first hand that you are wasting it. if swim was to do any thing you just suck on a little bit. fentanyl dosent work as well when eaten you only absorb about 30% it is made to be absorbed not injested for best results swim recomends just sucking on a little and leting it absorb through the mouth tissue. but be very carefull and swim should be opiate tolerant because this is very strong stuff. swim says it also depends on the brand of patch the gel ones are more difficult. swim prefer the mylan brand b/c it has no gel its more like a peice of tape.

[fnord]

the porcupine that lives in my petting zoo says he finds eating it MORE then effective.whats the diffence in between it being absorbed thru the skin,and in the mouth?the mouth is a more direct route therefor it should be the be the method of choice.

oops misread your post sorry!

[bob78]

Swim finds chewing a small amount and leaving it under the tongue much better than swallowing it. Let it absorb through the lining of the mouth.
Swallowing bits of patches cannot be good for the stomach at all.
Swim thinks wearing them is much better, and only chews when the patches effects are wearing off.

[Lisa J]

SWIM tried placing some gel under her tongue but found it a little more difficult to regulate the dose this way and spent four hours in noddy land, it was very similar to using a little too much heroin but without the initial rush. SWIM had used heroin earlier in the day and was also wearing a patch which may have made matters worse. SWIM isn't going to try eating patches or putting them under her tongue anymore, it's too difficult to work out how much SWIM'S taking, if she only did fentanyl it might be different but SWIM is mixing them with a few other things so she will just put them on her skin from now on. SWIM'S patches have just been increased to 100's so working out how much to eat would be even more tricky, if there is any way the gel could be smoked then SWIM would be very interested.

[bob78]

Swim has always used the D-trans patch which does not have the gel pouch it's more like a sticker. Swim also likes to use a hot wheat bag or hot water bottle to make the fentanyl pass through the skin quicker, that can give a nice feeling sometimes better than chewing.

[Wflash]

I think it's important to understand that these patches are designed to work by releasing drug through the skin (trans-dermally). Doing it this way gets 100% of the drug out and into your system.

But it's slow.

50/75/100 microgrammes per hour if used normally.

It'll be quicker if stuck under the tongue (sub-lingually) - because of the heat and saliva in there - but still relatively slow.

Yes - one's probably only going to get some 30% (or whatever the figure is) out and bio-available if he/she eats some patch. But it'll get into one's system quicker - more or less all in a oner - and the abuser will get a real hit. In a way he/she won't by sticking it on his/her skin or under his/her tongue.

If someone other than myself (someone who had been joyfully abusing fentanyl patches for a couple of years now) was irresponsible enough to be offering advice on such a dangerous topic (which of course no one here would do), he would say that given the strength of these things to begin with, 30% is still a lot of opiate. Therefore getting the rush effect of eating bits of them is probably the most recreationally useful way of approaching the situation.

Of course no one here would be interested in such advice, as among other things, they would bear in mind that this is a seriously strong and potentially deadly drug.

This irresponsible buffoon, bearing no resemblance to myself whatsoever, would then go on to point out that it also seems to work even better eating patches that have previously been worn for two or three days - though bear in mind that some of the drug will have come out of them already - as they are less sticky by this time and less inclined to have the drug-releasing surfaces stick together in the stomach, preventing the abuser from absorbing fentanyl.

Mind you, SWIM only has experience of gel-free Durogesic/Mylan style patches in this regard.



Don't do anything I wouldn't do.

[Harry]

Let's suppose one has a sufficient tolerence to fentanyl patches, as in SWIM's situation...to be able to sustain 200-300 (please realize this can kill most people) mcgs transdermally applied over several days (*via mylan), and on those awful mornings when the nasties arrive, those funfilled side-effects, the headaches, vomiting occur...often removing a day or 2 day old patch and replacing it, then placing the used patch under SWIM's tongue (usually a 100 mcg cut into 1/2s, and rotated by it's counterpart) and sucked on, trying not to swallow the saliva, before long...wala, the nasties are simply gone. Usually a few to 5 hr process. Often replaced with a wistful ZING, soon to be followed by the 2 day blissful sleep, awake, sleep, awake...rinse, repeat.

To chew on them I agree is a waste to accelerate it's effects. To delve into the smoking and shooting of them, as some duragesic fans do, I would truly say, go with great fear and caution. To use the amounts SWIM speaks of, transdermally, again, God's speed...many have lost the good fight doing it. For those that do have mylan, as somehow you got switched from duro to mylan, well...SWIM has recently found a method for those to extract. Not sure they want to share it just yet, for the idea of shooting fent. simple scares SWIM.

Cliff notes : don't chew, suck or heat on skin for accelerated effects. Be askeerd of shooting - it kills people.

[beentheredonethatagain]

I know swib who is opiate tolerant and he had both the name brand patches and the generic. He first started with the brand name Durigesic or someting like that, he would take and cut open the top press his fingers against it and guide the gel to his mouth then he would do another, these were 75 mics each. He would nt feel it much, his speech was rambled though. \
Then the insurance would only allow for the generic patches, they don't have gel in them at all, they look like those meds and breath strips that are solid and dissolve once inside your mouth. He would go sub lingual on those then cheww and spit out .
Those gave swib energy , he put up a fence along the backyard while chewing on the patch. He would have never put up any thing like a fence if he hadnt been on a up high.
Swib doesnt get those any longer per request, the deal is if they come off too soon your fucked, as far as that patch and days its suppose to carry you over for , since you can t reapply them.
Fnord my Dr. told me he had one of his older lady patients start hallucinating from the generic patch, she must have gotten all of the dose at once from it , he said.
I thought swib would be on his way to wonder land when he got home, sadly they didn't help with any journey to the center of the mind.

[nutzo]

I have read in a few places that eating these wrecks havoc on your liver, does anyone know anything about this. If someone was was putting gel on their tongue or cheek, they would be swallowing small amounts, over time would this do someone harm.

[Wflash]

SWIM's been eating these for a couple of years and isn't yellow yet.

But I don't suppose that's a scientifically defensible proof of the safety of this behaviour.

[Guilded]

Please do NOT chew the patches!! Swim's friend was found dead Friday,, he had chewed a 75mch,, and he had built up a tolerance over the years. Tolerance or not,, it's a death wish!!!

I know most know this, just informing the ones that don't.

Be well

[beentheredonethatagain]

sorry to hear about your friend, Guilded. It is a sad situation when one thinks he is going to enjoy a rec. buzz only to be killed doing so. We sometimes don't realize how lucky some of us are not to have died doing our thing. Stay Well