5 Day weirdness after MDMA + K, help needed.

[LazyD]

Hello all,

Looking through the net for help with a situation and came across this place and thought I'll post.

Swim has always been anti pill/MDMA due to the the stupid way swim's felt in the past on it, but mostly because of the come down. Swim used to take pills some years ago, not heavy use really (swim has had heavier use with other thing like LSD, mushrooms and K) but it got to a point where after a weekend where swim had taken pills swim would be severly depressed until at least wednesday, sometimes thursday or friday. It was real struggle to live through those episodes (swim was hallucinating, seeing demons and stuff, sitting on the edge of the bed for half an hour before swim remembered that swim was sitting there, stuff like that) but swim got past them and that was that. Swim gave up taking most things (gave up taking E/MDMA way before) a couple of years ago but still has the occasional line of K or coke or small dose of acid, I mean occasional, like no more than five times a year for the past 3 years.

So last weekend swim had some K, took a little line of it (swim took some of the same stuff a while ago, seemed absolutely fine in regards to the problems swim's experiencing now) came up (or down) and then went back to normal, everything was fine. Then swim's friend had some MDMA (pinky purply, crystal) swim's friend said he had heard it was pretty good stuff. So swim's not into MDMA, but for some reason, it's been swim's understanding (which might be totally untrue) that MDMA is just better, nicer, less comedown than what is commonly in pills (to swim's understanding) MDA. Swim's had a couple of lines (literally, didn't use it much more than that) of MDMA in the past but that was back in swim's drug use days so swim didn't really assess it and it's comedown independently from the plethora or other substances swim was on at the time (swim used to drink heavily also, swim don't drink at all now). Anyway, swim decided to test a little, took a small line (thinking, hoping, that it's negative effects wouldn't be up there with pills, dicing with death, yes) the first line swim took did pretty much nothing, was too small, didn't pass the threshold. Swim took a second line shortly after taking K, then came up on the MDMA at the same time as entering a K hole, this was mental and very interesting. To swim a K hole is usually hard to sort of, see, what's going on due to the insanity of the situation but also because it seems that K like, dulls ones perception aswell. With the MDMA mixed in it was quite amazing, the K hole was different to before, swim thought that the up effect of the MDMA might stop one entering a K hole but it didn't, it just made it brighter and easier to perceive (try to perceive) and perhaps shorter. So then swim mixed some K and MDMA together into a pinkish powder and did about 3 more rather large lines that night (all in all about 5-6 hours total). The mix of K and MDMA was really interesting, to swim.

Then swim went to bed, by then swim's jaw was going a bit (swim hates that) but not too bad considering how f'd swim was. Swim was able to sleep, it was weird sleep but swim was able to go to sleep pretty much straight away. Swim woke up the next day, was hungover and still feeling the effects loads even after 6 hours sleep (swim took about 0.5g of MDMA in total, probably same of K) looked in the mirror, looked like some kind of vampire, went back to bed. 3 -4 hours after that swim woke up, felt quite a bit better (just feeling residual effects now) could operate (but pupils still big) went out. That was Monday, swim took the MDMA and K on Sunday night/Monday morning. By Tuesday the effects were completely gone and swim was very relieved that swim was not (and still is not) experiencing any depression. Swim put this down to a brain change swim underwent a couple of years ago on Mushrooms in which swim went to a hell like place, it was terrible, very strange and unique, was triggered by discussing a very terrible thing that happened to a friend with that friend, it seemed like swim somehow took the friends pain for that trip and went into hell, before that trip swim used to be depressed, but when swim came out of the hell swim was different. The coming out was beautiful, there were angel/god like characters in the sky guiding swim and beckoning swim back to this reality, when swim got here swim was eternally grateful for the world even though it's fucked and felt blessed (and completely relieved to not be in hell anymore). Anyway that's another story, could write volumes about that, but the reason I present it here is that, after that experience, swim's resident depression just couldn't get a grip on swim anymore, instead of running away in fear and panic from it swim could sit there and look into it, deeply, into it's shadows, and it could no longer get swim, swim was different. Swim can only attribute the fact that swim did not and has not experienced depression from this MDMA experience to what happened to swim that night in hell. Swim has all the other charactristics of a bad comedown that would certainly be peppered with depression, but it's just not there, buddah bless, one good thing. But now there is plenty of something else which is disturbing, fear.

Lets finally get to the problem, so now it is Friday (5 days later) and Swim's experiencing some dodgyness of a terrible nature. Let me describe, swim doesn't feel like swim is coming down really, is it possible that it could be a hangover..? Swim feels dizzy, un-balanced, when turning swim's head (even slowly) swim feels all weird and dizzy, swim feels unable to perceive things in as quick a manner as swim normally does (horrible feeling), swim does feel slightly rushy in the body in places, (heart, stomach, all over really, spine, feet) but the main problems are the mental ones. Swim's vision is blurrey, like it never really focusses correctly, only with a dedicated effort can swim get it to focus in a manner that isn't blurrey and annoying. Swim has to sigh and re regulate swim's breath every now and then, breathing isn't comfortable. Swim just feels not here, swim's head feels woozy, almost like swim's on a very small amount of K, or something. It's getting pretty scarey as this has been going for 5 days now and the thing is, it hasn't diminished in intensity at all that swim can notice.

Does anyone have any suggestions? Have people experienced this kind of thing (where it seems to not be getting better for days) with MDMA/K / MDMA+K? Anything swim can try to eat or do? Swim went for a run last night to see if swim could sweat it out a bit and get swim's heart beating, swim had pretty much normal fitness and strength but it hasn't helped. Swim want's to know how much more longer to stay in this state before going to A + E?

Swim would greatly appreciate anyones comments (unless its "serves him right druggie bastard").

Thanks.


EDIT: Very sorry about the length of this...

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Great 1st post (sorry it's on such a harsh subject!) & thanx for following advice re-posting. An edit button should...

[LazyD]

Just a quick post to say, in case someone does have anything to suggest, I won't be able to post back until tomorrow evening sometime so I'm not being rude. I have a few things to try out as suggested by MickleMouse, hopefully something will stop this. Right now it seems to be no weaker at all.

[LazyD]

For the slight possibility that anyone cares:

Swim woke up this morning to find, at last, the effects are diminishing! Not gone yet but definitely lesser, finally, what a relief. Swim also found out by measuring the remainder, that the amount swim took in those 5-6 hours was 0.8 of a g. Swim probably took a little too much in too short a time (especially for insufflation)!

Swim is happy he didn't go to A + E, that would have been a waste of time and money (it's £2 on the bus now you know....)

[Nature Boy]

Yes, I think continuing getting plenty of good rest in is the key here. SWIM's last K-hole, and his largest ever, brought about a few of the symptoms described above but they too diminished eventually although the side effects hung around well into the next day.

[LazyD]

Swim is so glad it's ending, just the fact that it was 5 days without any noticable change, don't think swim's had a comedown or after effects quite that long off anything before. (Swim had a 3 day one from speed but it was diminishing all the while).

[ladyx]

Very informative post. Thank you. As somebody who recently experimented with MDNA for the first time with MDNA you pretty much described the symptoms / comedown I went through. My own personal hell that is. I guess everybody is different and you never know how you're going to react. Unfortunately, my curiousity always gets me into trouble, and I can safely say I don't think I'll be trying it again.p.s forgive my ignorance as I'm new here but what is Swim? thank you

[Dr. Satan]

Swiy should read the forum rules: http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/mis...inate_yourself!

[chinpokomaster]

SWIM had a similar experience before. Took some sort of pill (that looked, in fairness, nothing like e), felt completely out of it and paranoid and then the days after felt very much unlike himself.

It's likely to be a mixture of paranoia, psychosomatic delusion and anxiety disorder caused by the stress that you experienced. SWIM actually went to his doctor, but after a week or so he was fine.