Observing a bad Salvia Divinorum trip

[bcubed]

SWIM has used Salvia for a while now, and offered it to freinds. He always tells "virgins" that: 1. Many peole don't like the effect 2. Remember that it's impossible to OD on this 3. If your trip is overwhelming, remember that you'll be (more or less) back in 20 min. Until last night, he'd never personally seen a bad trip.

So, last night, SWIM offers some 10X to freind1 who'd only smoked leaves one time prior. SWIM partakes, then freind does, and on exhale, he gets this "frozen" expression, a thousand-yard stare, and a smile. (To SWIM he looked alot like that Burger King guy). After about 3min, freind starts talking to SWIM in a semi-coherent way, and both leave location at T+5. Freind comments that trip was intense, but not necessarially unpleasant.

Later that night, SWIM and freind2 take one drag each. f2 gets the same stare, but the expression on his face could only be described as one of abject horror. SWIM and two others try to talk him down, reminding him that he only had so many more minutes to go, but he seemed totally disconnected from reality. At one point, he attempts to get up and run, only to be restrained from doing so. He winds up a bit pissed at SWIM for not telling him how intense it'd be, to which SWIM apologizes and says he'd never seen anyone so affected by that sized dose before.

Freind3 eventually does it (40X veteran), and has a milder experience, but still starts talking incoherently (but emphatically) to all present.

So, in the future, SWIM isn't sure what general statments, if any, he can make to a noob, other than to remind the one nearly constant report is that too large doses of Salvia are almost always seen as unpleasant to first-timers.

[TMM]

I think it's very important that people research Salvia or at least know what it is of their own accord before trying it for the first time, rather than just being offered it and doing it on a whim. Not trying to shout down the way SWIY does things, but it's not something any of my drug-indulging animals would have liked to do without knowing just what they were in for beforehand.

[bcubed]

Yeah, it did make SWIM rethink things a bit. He's had pleasant experiences; he's offered to many others and the worst response to this point was "wow that's some weird shit man!" He'd seen the videos and heard about bad trips but he truly thought 1drag 10X (very careful to tell noobs not to exceed this) wasn't a sufficiently large dose for that.

But then there's the rub: SWIM was at freinds2+3's house, smoking their bud, and when he fancied some Sally, he's supposed to say "Thanks for the herb, but by the way, I'll be smoking some Salvia and you can't have any!"

[thepieman1]

Originally Posted by TMM

I think it's very important that people research Salvia or at least know what it is of their own accord before trying it for the first time, rather than just being offered it and doing it on a whim. Not trying to shout down the way SWIY does things, but it's not something any of my drug-indulging animals would have liked to do without knowing just what they were in for beforehand.

I think this is how all drugs should be used.

[jcdjinn]

Ya, salvia can be super intense especially if you're not expecting it.

[Mint boi]

swim witnessed recently a bad salvia trip, swims friend, a salvia veteran, smoked a BIG bowl of 10x in one go and held in for well over 40 sec, he def had a level 5 trip. he was lying on a bed and he started bouncing around flailing his arms and legs around and screaming/laughing/muttering. it was scary to watch to say the least.

the only advice swim can give to anyone watchin a bad trip is not to go near the person AT ALL unless they are endangering themselves or others. if someone is tripping really hard on salvia interaction with the outside world isn't going to bring them back but may make the experiance even more distressing. swim let his friend live the trip out without doing anything because he wasnt endangering anyone. after hearing exactly what his friend was experiancing swim was happy he didnt interfere as he would have made a bad trip worse.

one last thing; swim has seen people break down in tears and scream their heads off during a great salvia trip, what the sitter sees doesnt always represent what the trip is like!

[RaverHippie]

Originally Posted by mint boi

the only advice swim can give to anyone watchin a bad trip is not to go near the person AT ALL unless they are endangering themselves or others. if someone is tripping really hard on salvia interaction with the outside world isn't going to bring them back but may make the experiance even more distressing. swim let his friend live the trip out without doing anything because he wasnt endangering anyone. after hearing exactly what his friend was experiancing swim was happy he didnt interfere as he would have made a bad trip worse.

one last thing; swim has seen people break down in tears and scream their heads off during a great salvia trip, what the sitter sees doesnt always represent what the trip is like!

definitely great points. Perception is everything. The outward expressions of an internal event may not appear to be similar or positive to an outside viewer but to the person expressing his internal trip the connection makes perfect sense.

[Panthers007]

Pillows. Lots and lots of pillows.

[mr.stark]

Bill Cartwright watched Bette Middler go into a seizure-like jig from the 15x extract. Use this plant with caution

[DividedReality]

Originally Posted by mr.stark

Bill Cartwright watched Bette Middler go into a seizure-like jig from the 15x extract. Use this plant with caution

It has been known to happen to some in a level 6 trip, but it doesn't hurt the person unless they hit something sharp or fall over. It is similar to somnambulistic behavior, sleep walking, or just moving around while sleeping. When someone hits level 6, it is my belief that they have basiclly induced their bodies into a sleeping state, and unless your a shaman, you can't remember your dreams during REMs, thus the amnesic effects.

[cra$h]

as with any hallucinogen: set and setting. can't be more importaint. if you go in with a strait, knowladgeable head, the worst thing that's going to happen is you were expecting something more intense. plus experience with drugs, especially some GOOD marijuana can make a sallyland visit very enjoyable

[purplehaiz]

it would have been smart for friend#2 to properly research the effects of salvia. SWIM made sure to look up everything he could prior to smoking it and he read countless trip reports just to compare what people had done that lead to good/bad trips and whatnot.

of course this is friend#2's fault not SWIYS, but it would have been good to just have a brief overview with him about what he would experience just in case. in the future if SWIY smokes salvia with another "virgin" it would be a good thing to just tell him/her that if things get too crazy, try to tell themselves "remember, i just smoked salvia, and none of this is really happening. it feels like a long time, but this will be over in a few minutes."

when SWIM tried salvia, he had a good trip. however, there were one or two instances when he felt like he might be going in a little over his head and things came dangerously close to getting out of control. but SWIM just reassured himself that it was just salvia and he managed to save the trip.

basically, as SWIY knows, salvia is not meant to be taken lightly. no amount of precaution and warning prior is too much. also, i noticed that you said the friend was restrained from running? bad idea. unless the tripper is about to seriously hurt him/herself, it is best to let them try to "escape". restraint just makes the trip scarier. a tripper having a bad time already feels helpless and when they cant move freely they are brought to a new even more extreme form of helplessness.

[cra$h]

even if you describe all of your senses, you can't explain the feelings you get. of course reading up on anything will make you knowlageable, but it's nothing like actually experiencing. but swim's still wondering how anyone can have a completely negitive trip off such an amazing plant

[Bajeda]

Originally Posted by cra$h

but swim's still wondering how anyone can have a completely negitive trip off such an amazing plant

See ----> Trapped In A Not So Divine World (Trip Report): Paranoia & Salvia Divinorum

[AboveTime]

if someone is having a bad trip and they try running somewhere what happens if there in an area with rough terrian? Surely it would be better to restrain them?

[cra$h]

to defend the lack of restraints, part of hallucenogens is the bad parts that happen. they're meant to be a learning experience, good or bad. and to hold someone back, they could freak out even more, but they're still physically safer. you just got to get their attention and bring them back. but the only thing you can tell a 1st timer is one word: intense.

[cra$h]

swim has found that the drug will guide you to what's best, and when you make decissions, you're always wrong. Salvia is a drug that shows you the deep parts of your mind that you havent figgured out yet, and you already know what's best, so really it's not even the drug that's talking, but the deepest parts of your mind. So just trust yourself.