Oral use - valium (diazepam): How to increase effects?

[seeingred]

This drug has no effect on swim. Swim's wondering it there's anything Swim can do to increase its effects. Should Swim crush them?

[Nagognog2]

What effect was Swim expecting from the Valium? Please be specific.

[Emmajs]

How many did SWIM take and are they real?

[seeingred]

Originally Posted by Nagognog2

What effect was Swim expecting from the Valium? Please be specific.

Well it does nothing for anxiety. Was wondering if there is a recreational value?

[seeingred]

One or two five mg tablets. They're real..

[soma]

10mg is a very very low dose. A single tablet of 2mg alprazolam is equivalent to 40mg diazepam. Swim has safely taken 40mg of diazepam with good effects, however this dose may not be safe for all. Start slow, and work your way up- you can always take more.

[Abrad]

10mg of diazepam is not a low dose to those without a tolerance, either is 2mg alprazolam.
SWIM uses benzos infreqently and 10-15mg of diazepam would be enough for him.
2-3mg of alprazolam would likely knock him out.

Start slow, and work your way up- you can always take more

Indeed, although benzos are physically quite safe it is very easy to black out and act foolishly if too high a dose is taken.

[soma]

Originally Posted by Abrad

10mg of diazepam is not a low dose to those without a tolerance, either is 2mg alprazolam.
SWIM uses benzos infreqently and 10-15mg of diazepam would be enough for him.
2-3mg of alprazolam would likely knock him out.



Indeed, although benzos are physically quite safe it is very easy to black out and act foolishly if too high a dose is taken.

SWIM thinks dosage depends more on the state you aspire to journey to. Swim should have clarified this- 10-15mg will most definately put one in a relaxed state, albeit not entirely intoxicated. So if SWIY are looking to relax after a bad day, or something to that like, 10-15mg may be the dose for you.

However, SWIM likes to become actually intoxicated on benzodiazepines, therefore the 40mg dose suits him nicely. It should be noted that SWIM has experienced positive experiences with 4mg alprazolam and a 2mg "booster dose", which may extreme to other SWIMmers. Like I said earlier, the doses SWIM stated may not work for everyone. However, the main risks for recreational use of benzodiazepines are blacking out and acting like a jackass

So in summary, SWIM thinks 10-15 = relaxation and slight euphoria. Whereas 40mg = moderate intoxication, heavy euphoria, albeit with a risk of blackout.

[merc11292]

if u want more kick from valium allow the tablets to dissolve under your tongue, its works like snorting, kicks in faster and harder but doesnt last as long. Also anyone with a valium script has prolly seen a warning somewhere saying not to consume grapefruit juice, however if you do it gives them much more pop, but be very very careful, it can also cause an OD and no1 wants that.

[Twiglet]

swim finds 10mg works fine as he rarely does them, anymore and he'd be asleep.
don't eat them straight after food, as they will get watered down

[Abrad]

Maybe try sublingual administration. This is the only method SWIM uses now. Tell your friend to chew the pills and hold them in his mouth. They should kick in very quickly and stomach contents will not be an issue.

[Nagognog2]

Even though they have limited recreational effect for many people, some continue to take them "Because it's there." And others because they actually have a desired effect. Benzodiazepines are funny like that. But thats where the funny comes to a crashing halt.

Whether they are your favorite recreation molecule on the planet, or "it's just laying about so what the f..." - two weeks is all it takes to show you the other side of benzo's: The most extreme addiction with the worst withdrawl (easily fatal) on record. Makes Heroin look like a bad hangover after your sister's wedding party. And that even with medical intervention - which is mandatory if you want to stay alive.

Best Advice Department: If they don't do much for you, consider yourself lucky and throe 'em on the back shelf for emergencies, Like a terible LSD trip someone is undergoing.

If you love 'em - you know the drill. Only now and then. Special occasions. Rich Aunt died, left you the estate. Flying Saucer landed in your yard, offers to take you off the planet. That sort of thing.

BE FUCKING CAREFUL!

Thank you.

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Instructive and funny, as always

[lulz]

My crazy uncle Joe seems to have a high natural tolerance to benzos. 10 mg valium has barely any effect, but dissolving it in a carbonated beverage like soda water seems to improve the effectiveness. 40 mg range seems to be an effective dose for him, although this is apaurine, not roche valium so YMMV.

[Big Fella]

Once upon a time when Rambo was a heroin addict he was known to consumer 10 at a time and then have a hit, Rambo was very foolish.

Now, since Rambo has been cleam of heroin for seven years, he is known to partake in about 40-60mg with a few JB chasers to crank up the effects. He does not take these on a full stomach, and he does not do this more than once or twice in a one month period as if he finds he has a hyper tolerance that kicks in as soons as there is a smell of valium in the air, and it is just a waste of money.

Rambo likes to be in control of his drug use, he has disrespected drugs enough to know they deserve his full respect all the time.

[beentheredonethatagain]

I asked swib about the valiums and he said never drink alcoholic beverages while under the influence of benzos he was refering to valium specificly b/c he would get sloppy and wasted by the combination, therefor unless swiy wants to be totaly fff up dont do that. I hope this answered it for ya

[Big Fella]

Like I said, Rambo does not encourage this, however because he is such a big mother funker, with a 15 years of drug use memories he finds that he needs to use JD to crank it up, however SWILulz mentioned to me about disolving them in carbonated drinks, so Rambo has just done that with 20mg in a small glass of coke and is awaiting the effects to report.

I will catch up with Rambo later and get him to tell me all about it.

Didn't get a chance to speak to Rambo, he seems to have dissapered.

However SWIM did do the same thing and noticed an increased effect when 20mg was disolved in a glass of coke and taken on an empty stomach.

SWIN would like to give an update on his 20mg taken in a glass of coke on a empty stomach.

He would like to take this opportunity to say that whilst the initial onset was quicker, the effects seemed to last a shorter period of time, though this is not scientific measurement he feels that this one experience is enough to not warrent a repeation and says he will be going back to taking them as before, with a nice cup of pg tips.

[dirtyp]

same here, i can handle xanax 2mg 50pills and feel great, it depends on the tollerance you've got.

[Bajeda]

Originally Posted by dirtyp

same here, i can handle xanax 2mg 50pills and feel great, it depends on the tollerance you've got.

What exactly are you saying here? It sounds like you are saying that you can handle 50 2mg Xanax bars, but I really doubt that even with a strong tolerance someone could withstand that much.

[JiggaMan]

anybody taking 100 mgs of xanax would be dead!!!!!! I think even 5 bars is a very high dose that no doctor in the world would prescribe, and what dirtyp meant to say was 5 2 mg bars. A person with a extremely high tolerance to benzos would be wrecked off 5 bars!!!!! I take two and I'm nice and I've been thru times where for months straight I would take 4-6 bars a day and I was a stumbling idiot most of the time.

[lulz]

Originally Posted by JiggaMan

anybody taking 100 mgs of xanax would be dead!

Depending on tolerance. I doubt it would result in death, unless alcohol had also been consumed. Benzos increase the affinity for GABA molecules on GABA receptors, this alone would probably result in a day or two of semi-comatose sleep, but not death.

Benzos replaced barbituates, in large part, because you can knock back a bucketload of benzos and sleep it off (most of the time), whereas a bottle full of barbituates would kill you stone dead.

That being said, anybody knocking back 10mg or so of xanax better have either: a very big tolerance/no alcohol involved/a death wish.

[Jatelka]

Can I also remind peeps that there is quite a bit of evidence that alprazolam is more toxic than other benzodiazepines in overdose?

See here...

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/loc...1309&catid=129

[piddleton]

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[Steva]

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[Folic]

i've safely taken over 150mg of valium...you just need to up your dose

[lulz]

Originally Posted by Folic

i've safely taken over 150mg of valium...you just need to up your dose

This is primarily a site to inform people of the safeties and dangers of drug use. Your neural chemistry might allow you to "safely" take "over 150mg" of valium, but this is not safe advice to put out there in the open without proper qualification.

It's true that high doses of benzodiazepines are generally speaking non-fatal. But I think it's necessary to say two things:

1) I have seen people pass out on 10-20 mg of valium. Their neural chemistry is not the same as yours, and it is dangerous information to suggest that 15 times the strongest dosage per pill is safe to take, without qualification.

2) It is very dangerous to suggest that massive dosages (your particular brain chemistry is irrelevent, given most people's responses to high doses of valium) of this drug, without qualifying it by saying that if someone decides to take massive (and 150 mg is a massive dose) of valium, that they should avoid alcohol unless they want their respiratory system to shut down.

Please don't take this as a negative criticism of your post, I see that it was your first post on the forum, and on that note welcome. But please qualify posts like that with information that relates to individual neural chemistry, and potentially lethal combinations with other drugs (in this case, alcohol being number one).

As the moderators will tell you, this is primarily a forum for sharing information about drugs that help people make informed, intelligent, and safe decisions about drug use. Saying that 150 mg of valium is safe to take, with the simple qualification that you need to "up your dose" is tantamount to spreading potentially harmful information.

Anyhow, welcome to the forum. This message is intended as constructive criticism, nothing more.

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