Question about ecstasy pills.

[Police Officer]

I've seized all kinds of ecstasy pills. While most have tested positive for amphetamine, I have also found ones that have contained cocaine and heroin. I understand that the most common composition is MDMA. How often do you "SWIMS" come across the ones that contain other substances? What percentage of all the ecstasy pills out in circulation contain substances other than amphetamine?

[Mint boi]

well not all us swimmers have the means to test exactly everything thats is in the pills we take, swim is surprised that most of the pills you have tested are positive for amphetamine and is very surprised re pills with heroin in them.

[Nagognog2]

This is unknown. And why we don't allow pill comparison discussions here, or play Pill-ID. We suggest getting a test-kit at the very least before people go quaffing anysuch.

Regards your tests coming back positive for heroin or cocaine - I find that hard to believe. I'd want to watch and/or conduct these tests myself. Reason being is just doesn't make economic sense for the manufacturer to add chemicals that cost a lot more than MDMA in the first place. And be aware you can have two identical pills bought/confiscated ten miles apart that have utterly different ingredients.

The most dangerous molecule that turns up, rarely thank Lenin, is PMA (4-Methoxy-Phenyl-iso-Propylamine). Go look into that one. We'll make an expert out of you yet!

[~lostgurl~]

SWIM took a pill one time that was supposed to be ecstasy but as it turned out it was ketamine. SWIM has heard that heroin is often in ecstasy pills, but she's never seen a pill test result in a positive for it. In the news recently I read about BZP pills in NZ containing ecstasy, which doesn't sound financially viable but apparently of about 20 pills tested 2 came back positive for MDMA. Propaganda or truth? Who knows?

[Police Officer]

Originally Posted by Nagognog2

This is unknown. And why we don't allow pill comparison discussions here, or play Pill-ID. We suggest getting a test-kit at the very least before people go quaffing anysuch.

Regards your tests coming back positive for heroin or cocaine - I find that hard to believe. I'd want to watch and/or conduct these tests myself. Reason being is just doesn't make economic sense for the manufacturer to add chemicals that cost a lot more than MDMA in the first place. And be aware you can have two identical pills bought/confiscated ten miles apart that have utterly different ingredients.

The most dangerous molecule that turns up, rarely thank Lenin, is PMA (4-Methoxy-Phenyl-iso-Propylamine). Go look into that one. We'll make an expert out of you yet!

Well the pills that I send out go to a very reputable lab. I know youre rolling your eyes right now...But yeah, no shit. I've got them with cocaine and heroin. If it suprised you, imagine my suprise when I got the lab report back. Are you sure you spelled 4-Methoxy-Phenyl-iso-Propylamine correctly? I tried to google it and couldnt get anything to come back.

Talking about suprises from the lab...I would say that to date, of the mushrooms that I have personally seized, somewhere around 1/3rd contain no controlled or scheduled substances. Imagine if you were facing a felony possession beef and you find out that youre just a meathead that bought fake drugs.

On a side note, do you have some type of alert set up to tell you when I submit a post? lol

Additionally when I said that they most often contain amphetamine, I meant methlyenedioxymethamphetamine. (sp?)

[Mint boi]

swim was sure the heroin in ecstasy stories were urban legend, having said that he vaguely remembers hearing of pills with fentanyl in them a year or two ago. though as nagognog said financially its just not something a dealer would do

Are you sure you spelled 4-Methoxy-Phenyl-iso-Propylamine correctly

just look for pma on erowid

[Schwag]

Originally Posted by Police Officer

Are you sure you spelled 4-Methoxy-Phenyl-iso-Propylamine correctly? I tried to google it and couldnt get anything to come back.

Swim says:
Not sure why he put that, as far as I know PMA is Paramethoxyamphetamine. Try looking that up. It's not actually bad if you take a reasonable dose of it, I even enjoyed it. Definetly a shame people put it in pills though, as it leads to a lot of overdoses.

[Nagognog2]

Originally Posted by Police Officer

Are you sure you spelled 4-Methoxy-Phenyl-iso-Propylamine correctly? I tried to google it and couldnt get anything to come back.



Additionally when I said that they most often contain amphetamine, I meant methlyenedioxymethamphetamine. (sp?)

Perhaps I was too IUPAC for your Search Engine: 4-Methoxy-Amphetamine.

3.4-Methylenedioxy-N-methylamphetamine.....or

3,4-Methylenedioxymethylamphetamine.

If your testing lab can't tell you all of these - fire them.

Now go take a dollar bill out of your dogs' wallet and test it for cocaine. Turned blue? Bust that pooch! By the way, test the paint on the side of your house.

[Nagognog2]

Originally Posted by Schwag

Swim says:
Not sure why he put that, as far as I know PMA is Paramethoxyamphetamine. Try looking that up. It's not actually bad if you take a reasonable dose of it, I even enjoyed it. Definetly a shame people put it in pills though, as it leads to a lot of overdoses.

PMA's dose/Overdose range is extremely narrow. It's just plain dangerous. You like it? Wanna getta little higher? Book a ride to the hospital.

[Alfa]

Originally Posted by Police Officer

Additionally when I said that they most often contain amphetamine, I meant methlyenedioxymethamphetamine. (sp?)

That is MDMA, which is what they are supposed to have in there. Pretty much anything else should not be in there.

Of the pills tested in the netherlands by the state lab 92% contained a ecstasy like substance (MDMA, MDEA, etc) The other 8% contained mostly amphetamine, meth or mCPP.

[Police Officer]

Where did you find that information, Alfa?

[Clif]

While it is highly unusual for pills sold as ecstasy to contain heroin, one did show up at ecstasydata.org a few years ago. Swim believes that it was a white motorola . However, as far as swim knows it is the only confirmed heroin tainted pill ever.

[naatural]

Is it possible for them to get contaminated with unlikely things like coke/H during the production process? Say because of dirty equipment?

[crusty]

SWIM has apparently done a pill with heroin in it, a beigish-coloured playboy bunny...she noticed the high was a lot different and the pill was ridiculously strong. But there's simply no good reason to put cocaine in the pills...way too expensive. maybe it just ended up in a dimebag that held coke at one point.

[Police Officer]

Ok, heres a question for you guys. How much less expensive is cocaine vs. heroin vs. meth. Say for like a pound. They are all pretty close right? If they are then why wouldnt it make sense to sub things of equal or similar value when you run out of supplies?

Dont yall have a drug price thing around here somewhere?

I found it. nm.

[rxbandit]

Swim knows that herion on the major east coast ports is cheaper per dose then ecstasy in many cases. swim would not be suprised if someone put herion in pills if they had a market were people were not willing to do herion but were doing to do ecstasy. especially at the major ports were most of the herion is coming in swim could imagine this happening with the prevalence of large rave scenes. Cocaine is a bit to pricey, but its not unbelievable that herion might show up in ecstasy tablets.

[Earlocybin]

SWIM has had only one type of tablets of e in his life and they were an extremely pure batch. SWIM obtained these from a reliable source however and I think the batch is pretty much out of circulation by now. Anyway, as far as SWIM knows the most common things cut with MDMA (which is sometimes completely absent) in ecstasy tablets are other MDxx compounds, other amphetamines, caffeine, and maybe occasionally ketamine and research compounds, just anything that's easier to get in weight and isn't particularly profitable if advertised otherwise.

[Alfa]

Originally Posted by Police Officer

Where did you find that information, Alfa?

On the website of the Dutch state testing service. I can give you the url, but it is in Dutch.

[Thirdedge]

Originally Posted by ~lostgurl~

In the news recently I read about BZP pills in NZ containing ecstasy, which doesn't sound financially viable but apparently of about 20 pills tested 2 came back positive for MDMA. Propaganda or truth? Who knows?

Our naughty Police are responsible for that silly play on words, the reality is that a lot of the street xtc pills (xtc is also a party pill right?) are now cut with Piperazines. Makes sence, enough MDMA to fool the testers, then enough Piperazines to give them a kick.

The really sad part is that once BZP etc are prohibited guess where all the left over containerloads are going?

According to stats, approx 50% of pills sold as MDMA in NZ auctually contain MDMA. The rest are Ketamine, Meth, Caffiene and/or Piperazines.

As for smack, I think its another urban myth like the stryctnine in acid, shrooms etc. Comes from the pill having a smacky effect, but is not auctually caused by smack but rather a big hit of MDMA itself, as opposed to meth making for a more speedy effect.

[Alfa]

In 2006 about 6% of the Dutch XTC pills contained mCPP.
Source: http://www.drugsinfoteam.nl/folders/xtc.html
Here are some more statistics from the Dutch state lab: http://www.drugs-test.nl/default18469.html

[robertone]

It's not the matter of the cost, but which profit the criminal dealer can make on it. Moran's enough who may think that they will make more money (profit) if they sell there heroin (a.k.a. any other substance) as xtc pill, some may even concider that some of their clients will like it, come back and get hooked. In general these criminals don't care for the health of the users at all. At the time when MDMA (XTC) wasn't outlawed yet, there was a considerable public feedback and knowledge which prevented the above.

[Abrad]

There fact is that heroin has a very low oral biovailability. It is far more effective to snort, smoke or inject it. For this reason it would be not be economically viable to put it in ecstasy tablets. The same goes for cocaine.

[ramjet]

We aren't allowed to discuss specific drug prices in the forum, but suffice to say that in the UK cocaine is significantly more expensive than ecstasy. The forum rules state: "To avoid trade on this site, prices topics are no longer allowed." I'm not sure whether that means I can give the following broad information (if not I will delete as soon as I am notified of the same). SWIM told me that the money it would take to purchase one gram of cocaine (just about enough for an evening's entertainment for an infrequent user, not even close for a weekendly user who would likely require three times that amount) could be used to purchase twenty pills. You would have to be insane or have a stupidly high tolerance to take 20 pills in one evening. If they are decent pills 2 - 3 should be enough for a fun evening. The quality and content of pills, as with coke, varies enourmously.

I'm interested: as an officer, do you generally find people on E a lot easier to deal with than drunk people? The clubs SWIM frequents which are full of ecstasy users never have any trouble. Everyone is too busy feeling the love to want to start a fight. He finds people a lot friendlier and more considerate too. When SWIM goes out to the more mainstream alcohol fuelled clubs he sees plenty of fights, inflated egos and unnecessary agro.

[fnord]

wouldent a fentanyl analog bee profitable?maybe thats what showed up in POś stolen pills?i cant seem to think of a reason why PO would lie about this,or maybe the local E dealer keeps his pills in with his dope?

PO did it test positive for heroin or just a opiate?

[Nargyle]

For swim it actually makes sense that one could find cocaine instead of mdma in pills, since in swim's country, Peru, one can easily buy 5 grams of high quality cocaine for the price of just one pill, actually most of swim's friends try not to buy the really cheap pills because they are sure they contain coke instead of mdma, whether they are right or not, swim doesn't know