why do people trip with others?

[fnord]

why not do it alone while meditating? why do people abuse thier trips?just closeing ones eyes and relaxing provides much better visuals then someone could ever experiance with thier eyes open surounded by others.yeah hangin out and partying with friends is fun,but is this why these chemicals were given to us?

just a thought...

[Kakkoii]

I half agree.

Trips can be great just laying back and closing you're eyes.

But if you are with a few good friends, and you are all tripping, It can add to the enjoyment of the experience by being around people. It makes for good times with friends.

It's a personal preference. I'm shure almost everyone has just layed back and enjoyed a trip, But also has trips with friends.

"Why have 1 when you can have 2?"

[Hadean]

Both have their places. Trips alone while meditating are very powerful and spiritually fufilling. But tripping with a small group of good friends (not at a party with strangers) can be very enjoyable too. On STHJ's first mushroom trip, he sat in a room with his close buddies, talked, shared problems, listened to good music, drew pictures, etc. It was very refreshing, and was one of those times that make life so very worthwhile, he says. Being sociable on hallucinogens strengthens bonds, aids with problems, fosters creativity, along with dozens of other positive effects. Visuals tend to be a bit lacking, but that's not the real draw of hallucinogens for STHJ.

[Jiggles]

At first SWIM thought this was an easy answer, but while typing this post he realized it wasn't so easy after all....SWIM apologizes in advance for any confusion or redundencies (he's had a little too much adderall today), and he says that he is only touching on one aspect of the answer to this quesion, as not to bore the other swimmers out there.

SWIM believes that if one does not group trip, he is missing out on half of the potential of the substance. A lot of extroverted people out there might challenge SWIY back with the opposite question: why trip alone?? While sober, if a person is normally an introvert, sometimes small acts of extroversion may provide them with a rush or excite their life in just the right way to feel complete. The same goes for extroverts, sometimes small acts of introversion (like sitting alone without contact to friends for a bit, gathering ones thoughts etc.) may prove beneficial, and make them feel more complete as a person. The same goes for the mind whilst tripping. Getting out of one's element can give that person a feeling of satisfaction not previously known, and bring them just the right distance from their comfort zone to provide a good time.

yeah hangin out and partying with friends is fun,but is this why these chemicals were given to us?

Hanging out with friends isn't necessarily a party. Take for example mushroom group tripping, SWIM never has "partied" with other people on them, he has only shared a mystical experience that was magnified by the other peoples emotions around him. He likens it to puppies playing in a pen, discovering the use of their senses after birth and exploring this new world around them. Ever heard of picking up someone else's high just from being around them? It may sound impossible, but if one truly does feel the high, does that make it any less real? SWIM thinks this is truly what group tripping is about, the sharing of the experience to provide all trippers with greater pleasure.

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Well put

[augentier]

SWIM does not like to trip with others..people usually end up pissing her off by the time the trip really starts going, and she can't really let go and be comfortable with her mind when everyone else around her is doing something that can distract her (she is very very easily distracted, so even 1 other person can get annoying). If she is with people who are definitely on the same wave length then it's cool..but that is rare.

People who like to party and just get fucked up usually are the ones who are scared to trip alone..but like others here said there can be special times with friends when the setting and everything is just right. But for maximum benefit of the spiritual nature of the substance..SWIM thinks doing it alone is always best.

[fnord]

i should explain further. i have nothing against those that trip wit others my grandmother does it all the time,both tripping alone/with friends has its place.i just feel that the most powerfull effects come from being alone and engageing in deep self reflection which can be hard with other people around.

[redpoppy]

Originally Posted by fnord

i should explain further. i have nothing against those that trip wit others my grandmother does it all the time,both tripping alone/with friends has its place.i just feel that the most powerfull effects come from being alone and engageing in deep self reflection which can be hard with other people around.

I completely understand what you're saying and SWIM has never done teh sole alone without people trip thing. Although swim has many time done teh alone trip whilkst surrounded by life thing.

SWIM is very eager to do teh alone trip thing but hasn't yet.

However SWIM does feel that human involvement is a part of life just as much as solitude is and although people may feel that solitude is the path to spiritual enlightenment SWIM believes spirituality is wherever you find it. whether that be on drugs, or not, in prayer, at work, in solitude or in company, in front of nature, art, or whatever. even whilst doing the washing up or anything else mundane or magnificent.

Also there is a LOT to be learned about life and self through interaction with other humans whetehr relatives, close friends or strangers. Life is surely mutifaceted and all aspects should be experienced.

But yes SWIM does think the partying on trips is a little superficial although when the music sounds SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO good it can't be helped.

[BackToBasics]

Budgie enjoys tripping alone just as much as with others, if not more. He feels there's so much to be gained from delving into one's own psyche. He also has better visions when he's on his own.

Budgie likes to think of it this way..MDMA and all the drugs in that area are for socialising, releasing tension. Taking Acid, Mushrooms or any other visionary material are for going deep into oneself and healing.
Budgie doesnt think you can reach half of a psychedelics potential by using it in a social setting.

[Jiggles]

I guess SWIM has always just seen people as a catalyst for most of the substances he has taken. He only truly felt like he got everything he could out of a substance after he used it with a person that he was on the same wavelength as. He feels some friends are better suited for a certain substance than others.

[Fantasian]

It depends what your looking to trip for, i think if your looking for a more recreational experience then tripping with friends is the way to go, if your looking for a more mind blowing and spiritual experience being alone is the way to go. It's all about preference. The drug exerts itself in very differant ways. It's the same in some ways between doing MDMA among friends at home cuddled up or doing it in a club. Same drug dramatically differant environment leads to very differant but both enjoyable experiences

[keats]

You may not like this answer, but SWIM personally thinks the entire idea of tripping as a means of enlightment or spiritual experiences is bullshit. You're on drugs, end of story. The chemicals weren't all "given" to us. LSD is a synthesized, man made chemical; not some god given sacred sacrament. The idea that doing hallucinogens for fun is "abusing" them while tripping on drugs for "enlightment" is some noble undertaking is ridiculous.

Then again SWIM also thinks religion (organized or not) is something invented by people to make themselves feel better, so take his ideas for what they're worth. No judgement on others who feel differently, some find spirituality in christ and some find it in drugs; SWIM finds both ideas equally foolish but respects others opinions.

As to your question one might as well ask why someone would want to drink or smoke marijuana (which is in itself a mild psychedelic) with others when they could do it alone and probably feel the effects more strongly. Yeah, SWIM understands there's a big difference between those drugs a strong hallucinogen, but the point is it's all a value judgement. SWIM trips with others because he finds it more enjoyable, though he's had a good time tripping alone as well.

[BackToBasics]

Originally Posted by keats

You may not like this answer, but SWIM personally thinks the entire idea of tripping as a means of enlightment or spiritual experiences is bullshit. You're on drugs, end of story. The chemicals weren't all "given" to us. LSD is a synthesized, man made chemical; not some god given sacred sacrament. The idea that doing hallucinogens for fun is "abusing" them while tripping on drugs for "enlightment" is some noble undertaking is ridiculous.

Budgie's made some very important life decisions whilst 'tripping'.

He thinks the idea of using drugs purely for recreational purposes is bullshit. People that just use them for 'getting off their head' are gonna get taught a lesson sooner or later. Try doing a lot of Salvia at a party or for fun, and you'll see what Budgie means.

It's all about respect for the compound or plant that's being consumed, so that's why people take them ceremoniously or alone..Budgie's sure swiy will find out for himself one day.

[keats]

Salvia is neither recreational nor a drug to be fucked with, no doubt about that.

[fnord]

no your right i dont like your response i didint read past thave he first 2 lines.
im sure you have fun with drugs,but your not learning anything,your not gaining any insight on your life.so whats the point?to get smashed?have fun,because it is fun.but people that do that stagnate.

edit:triping for fun has its place and triping for personal insight has its place,but if you completly shun one or the other your wasteing a powerfull tool/fun toy.

[Broshious]

I think "tripping" with others is important in that it exposes you to new ideas and points of view. Many drugs help to break down the normal social barriers we all have so that we can be truly open and honest with eachother and engage in eye opening discussions that would not otherwise be possible.

[keats]

The point is to have fun without getting self righteous about substance abuse. You're doing illegal hallucinogen drugs. Read that statement from the perspective of 95% of the world and then get off your high horse. The vast majority of people who drink but don't do psychedelics are all stagnating in their own ignorance? Forget it, this is as pointless as arguing about theology with a born again christrian. SWIM has gained interesting ideas from tripping and isn't dissing on hallucinogens or their power by any means, he just thinks it's important to keep one's drug use in perspective. Nonetheless, SWIM answered your question, though I guess you didn't read it since it's past the first 2 lines of his post .

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Nice views, i Fully agree

[Streak of Blue]

SWIM doesn't believe in any of that "spirituality" bs, and thus he trips for shits and giggles.(albeit responsibly)

It's not spirits talking to you, it's chemicals fucking with your brain's receptors. These chemicals weren't "given to us" as there is no God as far as I'm concerned. As long as you don't fuck up your health, you are free to use any chemical as you wish.

Insight into life? Meh...

Trips can be far more fulfilling and deep when alone, but one doesn't want that all the time, in fact, SWIM would prefer using with friends more frequently than a meditative, reflective, lone trip.

SWIM also believes that salvia in low doses is fairly recreational and fun with a few friends who know what they're doing. None of this 20x shit though, stick to 5x and 10x and don't be generous with dosage. Sometimes SWIM and his friends all do a hit each(not at the same time!) and then sit around discussing what happened to them with a few cans.

[TMM]

Whether there is any objective spirituality in psychedelic drugs is irrelevant. I don't believe it myself. Either way, though, people gain genuine insights from trips that are applicable to their lives, and that can't be denied. Altering your brain chemistry can provide you with a perspective you never thought possible. I don't think you can dismiss psychedelics as recreational tools, though. If people use it and it works for them, great. It's not hurting anyone.

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good post, thanks for sharing

[Jiggles]

At the end of the day, the reason a drug makes you trip is because of it's reaction with a set of chemicals in the brain. It either mimics certain chemicals or influences them in other ways. But to pass that off as "chemicals fucking with your brain receptors" is rather foolish. The chemicals people use to alter their brain states allow them to see the world in a way not normally possible, allowing them to analyze things they may not have even knew was possible, etc. It isn't just some bullshit high, its a genuinely different interpretation of the world around us. Look at all the creatures in the world that don't perceive things in the same way we do. SWIM is in NO way spiritual or religious, but he still feels strongly that doing drugs for "shits and giggles" EVERY time is selfish. I mean sure, what SWIY out there can say that they haven't done a drug just for the shits and giggles a couple times. But SWIM thinks that they aren't just toys to play with when we are bored, but rather tools to delve deeper into our psyche.

/rant

[TMM]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

At the end of the day, the reason a drug makes you trip is because of it's reaction with a set of chemicals in the brain. It either mimics certain chemicals or influences them in other ways. But to pass that off as "chemicals fucking with your brain receptors" is rather foolish. The chemicals people use to alter their brain states allow them to see the world in a way not normally possible, allowing them to analyze things they may not have even knew was possible, etc. It isn't just some bullshit high, its a genuinely different interpretation of the world around us. Look at all the creatures in the world that don't perceive things in the same way we do. SWIM is in NO way spiritual or religious, but he still feels strongly that doing drugs for "shits and giggles" EVERY time is selfish. I mean sure, what SWIY out there can say that they haven't done a drug just for the shits and giggles a couple times. But SWIM thinks that they aren't just toys to play with when we are bored, but rather tools to delve deeper into our psyche.

/rant

Hmm. I agree with the first half. I don't think it's fair to say it's "selfish", though. When one goes on self-exploratory trips, the objective isn't self-improvement for the world's benefit, it's for your own own benefit, to make you more content with yourself and improve your own life. How is that less selfish?

I'm not specifically disagreeing with you, btw, just throwing out a different POV.

[Jiggles]

SWIM agrees, selfish wasn't the correct word to have used, but he thinks that sometimes it is possibly selfish in the sense that a lot of people doing drugs "for shits and giggles" are the ones who abuse these substances and attract unwanted attention (police, etc.). SWIM did not mean to say that people who can control their usage and not attract this sort of attention are selfish. After all, like SWIY said, drug use (and at that, just about anything else SWIM does to better oneself) is inherently "selfish" in that it's solely for your own benefit (usually)

[Streak of Blue]

lol, well I was overtly cynical in my post, but you get my point.

SWIM thinks drugs are toys, albeit toys for responsible adults who know what they're doing. He doesn't deny that they can be used as tools to analyse one's mind, however. For some, I guess they can be life-changing, but SWIM finds them generally interesting and fun rather than deep and insightful.

Perhaps some day he'll have an experience which will make him think differently....

And it IS just chemicals fucking with your brain receptors, but that doesn't make it a "bullshit high". Perhaps my language was inappropriate, replace that phrase with "altering one's brain chemistry temporarily" if you wish.