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i have a very nice dog, he is very interested in rc’s and psychedelic compounds. this is a report on the last of the 4-aco(ho) tryptamine compounds he wanted to experiment with. he asked me to write this report in his behalf. he has so far tried 4-ho-dipt, 4-aco-dipt, and 4-ho-det. the final one was 4-aco-mipt (miprocetin). he wasn't really sure what to expect from it and wanted to get some 4-ho-mipt since by mr. shulgin's notes is more potent, but he was only able to acquire some miprocetin (he tried 4-ho-dipt in ranges up to 35 mg, and 4-aco-dipt in ranges up to 55mg, and he found out that iprocin (4-ho-dipt) was more potent and produced less shivering with higher psychedelic experiences, especially combined with cannabis - iprocetin was much more „shallow“ and not so psychedelic and mind expanding, so his conclusion was that HO compounds were actually stronger in smaller doses). he also experienced out of body experience with 4-ho-det+cannabis. there was one conclusion in using these substances; cannabis was very strong catalyzer and until he smoked some (never needed much) the experience was very weak in start but to fully blossom 10-15 minutes after smoking and he tried not to take any of these tryptamines without some cannabis prepared for the experience).
he finally received 250mg of miprocetin and was very excited since generally he loves tryptamines based on psilocybin, since they give me a warm and soft high. i must say that he had the „strongest“ psychedelic experience with iprocin+cannabis where he had the biggest ego loss ever, and it was really amazing, i was thinking in pictures and barking had no meaning for him. he experienced ego loss before on LSD (2 strong blotters) and on 20 or more mg of 2ce, but it was not so strong and overwhelming. i will give you short description of his 3 experiments with this substance 1st trial as i said he wasn't really sure how he would react on this compound so he started with the 25mg which was less than that mr. shulgin experimented in his reports (he took the 30mg max). btw. my dog is pretty big, weights 96 kg. he was pretty surprised with the speed that this substance kicked in. after only 15 minutes he was able to feel the effects, and it was pretty strong. he felt some pressure in his head and was feeling little drunk and had problems with his balance. he said that these effects were not pleasant but also not unpleasant. the coming up took about 45 minutes all together until he was finally peaking. this compound really has very big physical part expressed. he was feeling the energy flowing through his body and this was pretty strong. visually he had much stronger experiences, but he could compare it to 4-ho-det but with much more greenish colors present everywhere. morphing wasn't strong but it was there. the only thing that really surprised him was the auditory change. everything sounded a lot „deeper“ like coming from some tubes and on the peak all the sounds from TV were breaking, like you were hearing a sentence and some parts were played trough a guitar effects processor ![]() the experience itself wasn’t very overwhelming. after some 1,5 hours into the experience he decided to try to listen to music. after some trials he „heard“ that the music was too distorted and i was getting annoyed by it and so i quit from this. i decided to watch „the ninth gate“ with johny depp. he told me it was a winner he watched the movie before but it was never so good – he finally understood that this movie was more than he ever considered it before. this was a „movie watching“ substance definitely. after the movie finished he was coming down and had something to eat (eating was OK, his belly had no complaints – he finds eating much better on tryptamines that on the phenethylamines). He also found a strong introspective quality of this compound. it was not as strong as on ethocin but he was pushed into a state where he started to evaluate his life and especially his decisions in the last year. he thought to himelf that higher dosage would increase this and he was hoping that this was true. after about 6 hours after ingesting he went to his basket. it took him some 45 minutes to fall asleep, but he had a good sleep, better than expected. one more thing, after the general effects got week he felt that he would like to take more, which was pretty strange to have this feeling so strong (he could compare it to the urge to take one more ecstasy pill after the peek has faded). i could say this was his initiation to this substance.p.s. he had no cannabis on this occasion 2nd trial (3 days after the first trial) he was free that day and decided to experiment with bigger dosage – 40 mg. the reason to increase the dosage was the possible tolerance and to have stronger mental effects which he was hoping for this time. again he didn't have any cannabis, which (he knows now) was a shame. after ingesting the substance, he felt that the come up was as fast as the last time and almost 40% stronger. after about 45 minutes after ingesting he had to sit down and was feeling that his senses are going out and that he will blackout or he will peak his mind out. again he couldn't say if this was pleasant or unpleasant and i remember that he said „did i really want this?“. on the peak of his come up the sensation all of the sudden became very, very pleasant and he was feeling like nothing could touch him and a big smile covered his snout. again this was the warm and soft effect like the other related tryptamines have. he experienced a lot more morphing and the feelings inside were much more ecstasy like, not like iprocin or ethocin. the length of the experience was half an hour longer than on the first trial. the auditory change became more pronounced, even to that level that on the peak he wasn't sure if he understood what language did the people on TV use. introspective quality was here but not so pronounced as last time, he thinks the reason for this was the tolerance. again he had no problems sleeping, but again he had the feeling to take more after the effects were diminishing. 3rd trial (3 das after the 2nd trial) i really don't know how he decided to have another go with this so soon, but he was just compelled by some inner voice since and he was sure there was more to this chemical. every time he used this substance on come up he wasn't sure if i was going to enjoy this, but at the end he was pretty satisfied with the experience - he was still lacking that deep tryptamines psychedelic experience. the other thing that was troubling him was the feeling to take more on the end of the experience and he was feeling like he didn't get that what he came for. this time he prepared very good cannabis to support the trip. he decided to ingest 30mg and another 30mg about 1 hour after the ingestion to ease the come up. cannabis really did soften the come up and he was really surprised on smoothness of initial effects. after one hour the effects are getting stronger and he decided to ingest another 30mg. he was ready to have a rough ride but anyway the best trips are the rough ones ![]() after about 30 minutes after the second dosing he smoked another half of a joint. at this time miprocetin rocketed him really high. i don't think that he EVER had such strong visual morphing (he compared it with 4mg DOC experience in intensity but the colors and the feeling was much different - calmer and deeper, and the colors were in another spectrum, a lot of green and red-purple). for example he saw curtains where there was none, the floor looked like it was made of liquid. he was really feeling like he was floating in space. he also had a feeling of euphoria and he really wanted to speak with somebody. he said this feeling was much better than on any phenethylamines he ever had. it was deep, he felt internal happiness. it is also a very introspective tool, as he experienced this on smaller dosages but this time it was much more pronounced. he was thinking about his "dog" university, career and all the fails he made, but it wasn't bad in any way and he wasn't scared, just wanted to get it all right. he wasn't really thinking about his relations with other animals, he was not reevaluating his friendship and love, he was evaluating his qualities, target in life and really tried to learn from his mistakes. this lasted about 30 minutes and then i think he reached the combined peek what was really strange for him is that he was very hungry at that moment. i bought him some chinese food so he started to eat, it was very good and his appetite wasn't affected by the strength of the experience. i'm not sure if the food was the reason but after eating it he had a cosmic experience. i could say it was mystic or ethereal, but what he saw and felt was just incredible. he was looking at the plates where he had the food and at one moment all the plates turned into planets and the table in between the plates and air became space, real cosmos. he could see the stars and the space dust. he was on the brink of tears and felt so calm inside so in place with everything and was a part of that space and floating in it for whole eternity. this lasted for a pretty long time. he could see space patterns (like the space was tearing through his reality) on most of the things in my room. the feeling was out of this world. auditory changes were the same as on the second time, he couldn't listen to any vocal music since the voices were pretty absurd (i played some d. bowie but it was too weird for him). so i had an idea. in the last few days he was trying to listen to classical music. i could say music is an important part of his life but somehow he just couldn't understand this genre. i sat down and put some vivaldi (the four seasons). he tried to relax but let himself go to the music so i shut the tv down and he closed his eyes. this induced a mind opening feeling for him, as if you just realized some complex mathematical procedure that you were trying to figure out for the last 5 days and you just thought you will never figure it out. it just became so clear to him. the music was playing with his emotions, it was talking to him. he had a feeling that it was the most remarkable thing he ever came to understand in his short life. it was so remarkable, so intelligent. how skilled and precise the violin player has to be to present the emotions, landscapes and complexity that interweaved this musical composition - he just has to be one with the instrument. after about 15 minutes of listening the weirdest thing happened – he started to cry, he was so happy that he just couldn't help myself. he now understood this music and it was touching his essence. when he closed his eyes he saw a landscape of a forest with various animals playing and how the music went on the landscape was changing (spring, summer, autumn, winter).it lasted for a good 45 minutes. after that he just fell to sleep. he didn't try to sleep, the music finished and he just submerged in the dreamland. he woke up after about 7 hours of good sleep. i think the whole experience (from the start of the effects till i think he felt to sleep was about 7 hours). the next day he was full of energy and he wasn't feeling any bad sides. he finally got what he was looking for and i must say that he put this substance next to his favorite compounds (lsd, 2ce,doc,4ho-det). p.s. he didn't feel the need to take more this time, miprocetin gave him what he was looking for |
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