Nicknaming A Special Someone - 4-AcO-DMT

[Nacumen]

There's a fundmental issue that is raised when any new research chemical is introduced into the grey market - What are we going to name it? Typically this issue is solved by due course of the compounds use among psychonauts in a given small community over time. But then there's the issue of broader name-recognition. Local nicks for new research chemicals don't stick well, if at all, because they're likely just used by SWIY and a limited number of his friends. Typically their use will stop among those who first pioneered their use in colloquial vocabulary.

Brief, associable names are the ones that often stick best for substances. Coke, weed, acid, shrooms, crack, speed are all very common in their frequency of use because of many factors which I'm sure you could imagine, such as appearance, effects, etc.

When people hear that SWIM has been doing 4-AcO-DMT, a specific research chemical that really has no practical name other than its chemical name, a typical reaction from people is that they expect that SWIM's children will be born with 4 arms and grow up to be a shoe-in for Mortal Kombat reinactments. For whatever reason, people are more willing to respect the use of a substance which has a common name. If a substance is special and popular enough, the substance will develop its own name in due time - and it will catch on like wildfire.

I believe that we don't have to sit on our asses and just let the name come whenever. We can speed up that process right now. For aforementioned reasons and reasons which I wish not to mention on this forum, it is in our interest to give this compound a suitable name.

So let's have it - give your suggestions and reasoning behind those suggestions right here. We'll see how this goes - perhaps in due time, a poll will be made with the most favorable responses from this thread as options. Of course, the conclusion of the poll wont settle the issue and write the compound's name in stone until the end of time, but the sooner this thing has a good and, most importantly, relatively popular nickname, the sooner this compound will have a name that is well-known throughout drug cultures.


When I first began giving the matter a bit of thought, the word "Ace" immediately came into my mind as logical (as far as linguistics and chemical nomenclature goes), catchy, and brief. However, ace doesn't do so much to give a person an idea of what it is, but then again, neither did acid, except in 60's propaganda movies depicting what happens to your poor brain on LSD. Ace seems logical just because 4-aco-dmt is the acetylated form of psilocin, one of the main alkaloids in cubensis mushrooms, along with psilocybin and others. Someone who doesn't know much about chemistry wont know what acetylization (sp?) is, but just telling someone this will generally make it clear that it's related to shrooms (the traditional psilocin-bearing type, mind you), giving the person a good idea of what to expect.

But we can expand Ace into "Oasis."

Look at the wikipedia entry - O-Acetylpsilocin. Be sure not to forget this chemical name - it will be the one you may overhear one day while listening to the news or overhearing someone's conversation. The reality is that only serious drug nerds know or will know what the hell 4-aco-dmt is. The rest of the world will be using o-acetylpsilocin as the chemical name for this one in the future, so it makes sense to base the name off its chemical name so that people will be able to associate the two.

Those are just two of my suggestions. Now let's hear yours.

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Gorgeous post.

[radiometer]

I see no reason not to follow the accepted convention for 4-substituted dialkyl-tryptamines, and call this compound psilacetin, if such nicknames are truly necessary.

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wow your smrt

[Nacumen]

Originally Posted by radiometer

I see no reason not to follow the accepted convention for 4-substituted dialkyl-tryptamines, and call this compound psilacetin, if such nicknames are truly necessary.

My goodness, this is quite a suitable name! I had originally hoped that one would already exist/ be able to logically follow a naming convention , but after searching several forums and databases I wasn't able to come up with anything better than what wikipedia had to offer, so I came here.

I agree that psilacetin as a name is excellent, in fact, perfect for what we need to use it for.

Could you share the guidelines for this naming convention in general so that I'll be able to figure out names for future compounds myself before they're written out in the greater public domain? The SE didn't help me at all.

[radiometer]

Originally Posted by Nacumen

Could you share the guidelines for this naming convention in general so that I'll be able to figure out names for future compounds myself before they're written out in the greater public domain?

A couple examples which hopefully will clarify this for you:

psilocybin: 4-phosphoryloxy-DMT
psilocin: 4-HO-DMT
psilacetin: 4-AcO-DMT


miprocin: 4-HO-MIPT
mipracetin: 4-AcO-MIPT

The suffix -ocin implies a 4-hydroxy substitution, while -acetin implies a 4-Acetoxy group.

This has been in fairly common use on the internet for several years.

[vcdman]

Seeing as we are all adding our own two cents...

I think nicknaming RC compounds is a bad idea because it will entice Novice drug users to become more likely to wanna try something.

An example is In australia perhaps 4-5 years ago there was a big bust of Eden in QLD...
The speculation going around the party scene (which i was at the time very involved in) was EEEw AAAh this new drug like exstacy...

Where as if you approached a raver an said hey wanna try some" 2-methylamino --(3,4-Methylenedioxyphenyl)butane" Or even Methyl J

The said raver would be much more likely to check back with his buddies before attempting this

Another example of problems with simple familiar names is availability, How many posts do we see saying "man why cant i find 2c-e to buy online" if the searcher was more dedicated to understanding these substance he would know what names to search with.......

[Nagognog2]

Bongo will add that to this Dammit list: Asshole-Dammit.

(runs away and ducks)

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what the fuck

[grandbaby]

^Damn! I saw this thread and wanted to get here before Nag2 scooped the "dammit" nick. I was thinking "4-achoo!-dammit!" (gezundheit!) But it's his joke originally, so I guess no sour grapes.

I felt so sorry for you, NM, when I saw that long, beautifully written, thoughtfully put together post, because as Radiometer pointed out, "psilacetin" is already in use and fits the (somewhat arbitrary but nonetheless) accepted naming schema.

This thread might be of interest re: nicknaming tryptamines. I think there's another out there. I'll try to find it for you.

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thanks for the tryptamine nick link ;)

[Beeker]

SWIM has his list of names ... checked them twice.

[nanobrain]

i recently ran into a guy slinging 'ACO' - when queried as to which, he was surprised to hear there is more than one variety...

[radiometer]

^ And thus we get a glimpse into the knowledge level one is likely to encounter when dealing with such substances "on the street."

"4-Aces" was a somewhat common name for 4-acetoxy-DIPT for a while back when 4-subbed tryptamines were rarer. I think some examples can be found in erowid reports. Terribly stupid.