Regular GHB use preventing coke fiending

[MrG]

SWIM and his wife, on average, take the three dose approach of an evening when they are not partying, (1.5g, 1g, 1g over the course of a couple of hours) which allows them to mellow out without being overpowering. Nothing like a single pharma dose (4g) but enough to still get noticeable benefits (great sleep and gym work producing faster results than previously and they seem to get away with eating an awful lot of crap when they get the G+Mj munchies!).

However, another side-effect has been a *very* obvious drop in, what had been, a slowly building cocaine habit.

Before SWIM discovered (through tons of research and education) the joys of GHB, he and his wife did the usual trick of partying with coke and alcohol. All great fun except of course for spending most of the next day feeling like they had been run over.

Now they party with with GHB and coke and can sleep at the end of the night as well as feel great the next day.

But back to the main event. Before the G SWIM had begun to notice a typcial cocaine users behaviour building. In that, what started out as casual use, they could take it or leave it. But this changes over time to make the user push a bit more to excuse just another weekend, then every weekend, then the odd night through during the week (hey just for fun right?). I'm sure you have heard it all before.

Now SWIM does not have an addictive personality at all but he, luckily, was shocked to realise just how insipid this fiending was becoming. Now he wasn't craving coke or using it during the day, but he was certainly finding it easier to make excuses for more parties at night.

He put the kybosh on it all and he and his wife quit the nose candy for a couple of months, during which time they began their experiments with GHB.

When they began to combine GHB and coke for party nights SWIM noticed how all traces of fiending had gone. He no longer scrapes and scrapes at every surface the powder has touched. He doesn't care much if he spills a bit through carelessness and he doesn't make constant trips to his so-called 'friendly' dealer. He can also have coke stashed in his house while he and his wife wait until they feel like having a party whereas previously things had reached the point of it being used because it was there.

Now don't go all 'Yeah but he quit one addiction for another' on SWIM's ass, because he and his wife often go several evenings a month without doing GHB simply because they might not be in the mood for it.

Have any other users noticed their lab monkey's improved behaviour since they took up GHB as their weapon of choice?

[~lostgurl~]

Absolutely, GHB makes coming down off other drugs a pleasurable experience. SWIM has found this with methamphetamine, ecstasy, bzp, ritalin, pretty much every stimulant SWIM has used it after. It prolongs the effects, gives one a nice buzz, takes away the craving for more stimulants and lets one sleep easy with no hangover. Pity the only supplier SWIM has for GBL has been watering it down, making the price and experience just not worth it.

[Jatelka]

GHB has effects at dopamine

(see here… http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/local_links.php?action=jump&id=1389&catid=28)

Dopamine is intrinsically involved in craving, particularly for alcohol and cocaine

(see here… http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/local_links.php?action=jump&id=1389&catid=28 and here… http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/local_links.php?action=jump&id=1161&catid=25)

There’s some evidence that GHB is effective in alcohol craving

(see here… http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/local_links.php?action=jump&id=1161&catid=25)

Although SWIJ is unaware of any research on GHB in Cocaine Craving, in light of the above, it’s unsurprising that your bonobo and mate have experienced this.

Interestingly (although doesn’t seem to relate specifically to dopamine) GHB has also been found to be effective in opiate withdrawal

(see here…http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/loc...1387&catid=28)

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[Krisco]

Now don't go all 'Yeah but he quit one addiction for another' on SWIM's ass, because he and his wife often go several evenings a month without doing GHB simply because they might not be in the mood for it.

Shoot for 8. Don't go 24/7. It sucks balls. Its much worse than coke addiction. Much, much worse.

[MrG]

The very nature of GHB means that one would have to consciously decide to start taking it 24/7 in order to become addicted.

It is used twice a night as Xyrem by Narcoleptics 365 nights a year without *any* reported problems when asked to suddenly discontinue use as part of ongoing research.

If one were to take GHB in order to use it as a tool to combat anxiety or social problems, then yes it it likely that addiction would creep in.

Don't forget that it is metabolised *very* quickly by the body.

[Krisco]

Originally Posted by MrG

The very nature of GHB means that one would have to consciously decide to start taking it 24/7 in order to become addicted.

If one were to take GHB in order to use it as a tool to combat anxiety or social problems, then yes it it likely that addiction would creep in.

Once you become mentally addicted its easy to justify becoming physically addicted because it seems so harmless. Remember, you CAN have too much of a good thing, nomatter how healthy it is. Drugs can't make your brain happy all the time, because without excercise, it will forget how to make itself happy.

Cocaine abuse = social problem?

[MrG]

Originally Posted by MrG

It is used twice a night as Xyrem by Narcoleptics 365 nights a year without *any* reported problems when asked to suddenly discontinue use as part of ongoing research.

[can't believe I'm having to quote myself!]

Look, the information is all around you from the GHB forum to the D-F Archive, there is reams and reams of scientific research to support what I am saying.

Whilst SWIM appreciated your concern, please take a look at my previous postings and threads, you will see that, apart from reporting how my lab monkey is getting on I have posted numerous balanced and *very* well researched threads detailing the physiologicial aspects of GHB and GBL usage.

My lab monkey chooses to conduct regular GHB experimentation because he is educated and informed, not simply because he read how it could get you high. Gamma Hydroxybutyrate is a fascinating substance on a great number of levels and combating the tidal wave of ignorance and knee-jerk idiocy of the mainstream media and authorities is only the first step in trying to educate oneself.

SWIM started to get a little too slap happy with his cocaine usage before he began his ghb experiments but has since discovered first-hand what he had previously read in research journals about how GHB can combat a number of potential addiction issues.

1. SWIM is more than aware of the dangers of 24/7 GHB dosing and has *never* felt so much as a twinge of an interest in going down that path.
2. SWIM's regular GHB dosing is still less than that of prescribed Xyrem users who, on average, consume 9g PER NIGHT 365 days a year with *no* reported cessation problems.
3. Cocaine users will attest to the fact that it is incredibly easy to get to the stage of using regularly enough for it to start to threaten a full scale addiction however, again I refer you to the paragraph previously as well as the topic of this thread, regular (4-7 nights per week *NOT* 24/7) GHB usage has *completely* broken that compulsion.

That is the whole point of this thread. To present experiential data that supports published scientific research.

P.S. SWIM is probably one of the most well-balanced and happy individuals you are likely to meet. He did all that angry young man angst and navel gazing thing many many years ago. He has come to terms with life and with death and yet is a militant atheist who will argue passionately and at great length to convince others to release themselves from the shackles of delusion. He loves and is loved by his family and *that* is what keeps him happy *every* day. Drugs are simply fun things to learn about and play with in an educated and informed way.