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War on Drugs debate: let's play a little role-playing game
OK, since 99%+ of drugs-forummers are anti-prohibition in one way or another (whether it's for simple decriminalization of medical marijuana or complete legalization and deregulation of all drugs or, usually, something in between), the debate around here can get a little one-sided.
So just to keep us all on our toes, since Police Officer has ducked out of most of the heavy arguments (and since he shouldn't be the sole pro-Prohibition voice on here anyhow), I thought it'd be fun and educational to have a little space on this forum where some of us could take the pro-WoD side of things, and we could have a mock debate (or a "mass-debate", lol). Remember, no negative rep, 'cause this thread is all make-believe, mmmkay? I'll start. Me be bad guy now. **** Quote:
Look at history. People (AKA the gen. pop.) used to have the freedom to make the decision of what to put into their body. But when people GROSSLY abused that freedom it was taken away. Heroin and cocaine are prefect examples. |
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Re: War on Drugs debate: let's play a little role-playing game
Ok I'll be a bad guy. People still should have the choice to abuse that freedom. Life is about choice and consequence!
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Re: War on Drugs debate: let's play a little role-playing game
Don't drop this in Porky's lap. He runs when serious questions and real history rears it's head. Now here is my prohibition:
The mis-labeling and impurity of drugs should remain illegal. Example: If you went to WalGreens and bought 1 gm of MDMA HCl and it was Aspirin - you should be able to sue them. Not just for your money back - sue them for all possible damages. Reyes Syndrome. Couldm't treat PTSD. Emotional Damages. Etc. There are a few other instances where law should be involved - but not prohibition. It plainly doesn't work, and makes people get sick. |
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Re: War on Drugs debate: let's play a little role-playing game
I don't think it would be marketed as powder. Let me be the "Public Compliance Prick" and demand that drugs like 2C-E and MDMA be sold only in pill form with to-be-determined dosages, in the same way as aspirin and acetaminophen are not sold by the gram.
I would also lobby for keeping drugs like PCP and methamphetamine illegal, the idea being that with marijuana, cocaine, heroin, and LSD now decriminalized, the majority of the public will get their kicks from those drugs and won't have much interest in the more dangerous stuff (this is hypothetical on my part). Of course, penalties for trafficking in the still-illegal stuff will basically be misdemeanors inline with the true gravity of such offenses. |
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Yeah. I don't feel heroin belongs in that camp, either. (FWIW, the heroin should all be forwarded to the camp with the olive drab 3-person tent under the grey rain bib.)
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Heh...now you've got me imagining a law that makes it illegal to go to the 4th Plateau on DXM without a trip-sitter. grandbaby, you're scaring me. ![]() ECL |
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(ooh, I can tell this is going to be a fun game). |
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social darwinism,the stupid people kill themselfs off while the smarter stronger people survive. |
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I like the idea of accountability, weather it be on the storefront business or the connections next door. Nothing I despise more than someone selling something that isn't what they claim it is, and that would go for a product that is cut . |
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Re: War on Drugs debate: let's play a little role-playing game
BAD GUY
k i dont care if you hippies eat goof balls, snort crack, or shoot up a lil pot now and again,but if drugs were leagle dont you think PO,would have way too much time to spend on this forum?and on top of that if drugs were decriminalized they would be much cheaper,thus taking $ out of the hands of terrorists,or those that need funds to setup puppet governments and rig elections,without iluminati control this world would fall apart into lil pieces and we would all be forced to self govern ourselfs.and that just wouldent work.
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Re: War on Drugs debate: let's play a little role-playing game
If prohibition was erased, drugs would be more pure and LESS dangerous because you know what you are buying.
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Re: War on Drugs debate: let's play a little role-playing game
Here's my best attempt at prohibitionism(I tried to do this also without distorting too many facts...just conveniently leaving things out):
Recreational drugs are no different fundamentally than prescription drugs. Recreational drugs have just been determined to be much more desirable and sought after, and so it has been found to be necessary to control them more tightly to prevent people from harming themselves and others. Drug abuse and addiction doesn't just impact the user, it impacts everyone around them. It impacts there families, the people they steal from and harm to support their habit, and maybe more importantly from a governance standpoint, it drains our healthcare system which is paid for via tax dollars. The cost-benefit analysis is really very simple. Though it's obvious that not all drug users are abusers, empirical evidence has shown us that a large enough percentage of drug users ultimately become drug abusers and therefore burdensome to society that drugs should be illegal. If it were only your freedom we were talking about, then sure, go get yourself addicted to heroin and cocaine. But the victims of these substances then become burdens impinging upon the freedom and welfare of the rest of us, and that is why drugs are and should be illegal. |
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&Good job on the pro-prohibition standpoint, darawk. |
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If drugs where legal than they could be taxed and the money could then be used to set up centres to help the small % of people who cant handle there own drug use.
So id be happy to pay a little bit extra a few acid tabs if a system was set up so that it could pay for those addicts who tend to screw things up for the rest of us. Legalising drugs, would also increase public safety by ensuring that the products sold are of a high quality and the drugs sold are what it says on the label. Legalising drugs would also take the money away from undesirable people who often used violence and other measure to keep a hold on there profits just like prohibition of alcohol in America. The legalisation of drugs would also reduce the spread of aids by providing clean syringes for addicts and safe places where they can shoot up, this would also reduce death rates as a medical team could be on site. The legalisation of drugs would also free up much needed police time to go after the criminals who actually do deserve to go into prison. This would also free up the much needed prison space and so allow much tougher laws to lock people up for a longer time who cause acts of muggings, rape, murder, burglary and so on. |
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O.K., my bit (note that this mainly applies to U.S. historical wonks):
SWIM, laws to the contrary, has the right to do whatever drugs he so chooses! Allow me to explain: [From the Declaration of Independence]: Quote:
Well, that's pretty much the WOD. SWIY'all HAVE THE RIGHT to all the pot, acid, etc ya want, it's just being repressed. Of course, if caught, SWIY'all will face the consequences that any repressive gov't might impose. If it makes SWIY'all feel better, SWIY'all would then be civil rights victims. Of course, even the most casual student of U.S. history would realize that we haven't come close to adhering to these words. The Founding Fathers got it right the first time, however: they just set a standard that, over 200 years later, we're still having trouble living up to. EDIT: I'm gonna disagree with my 1st statement: inalienable rights extist above and without respect to political boundaries. So, SWIY has the right to any drugs at all, wether he lives in the U.S. or in Myanmar. Last edited by bcubed; 10-07-2007 at 12:09. |
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Re: War on Drugs debate: let's play a little role-playing game
And here's the flip side:
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Second, the "small number" of addicts would quickly skyrocket as people would get the message that since it's now legal, it's harmless, and the system would get clogged up. Quote:
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Did you ever notice with these druggies it's all about "me me me! I should be able to do what I want!" Well, bucko, I have news for you. There are more important things than getting high — public safety and the security of our citizens, for one. |
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Re: War on Drugs debate: let's play a little role-playing game
I don't need to think. I let EURAD www.eurad.net do it for me!
[top]ARE DECRIMINALISATION AND LEGALISATION THE SAME THING IN THE END?
[top]WHO WANTS WHAT ?
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Re: War on Drugs debate: let's play a little role-playing game
It's interesting to see that the prohibitionists are afraid of the reformers because they are 'not unified' and 'entertain' a number of different proposals. Is this because every way they turn, the evidence appears to mount up against them? BTW, does anybody have any stategies I could use to narrow my worldview down to a simple black and white one?
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Re: War on Drugs debate: let's play a little role-playing game
Join the Republican party, watch FOX news & listen to talk radio...
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Re: War on Drugs debate: let's play a little role-playing game
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If the police time was freed from arresting people for growing or possession of pot then there time could be used for punishing the people who commit serious crimes and have them arrested to the full extent of the law. Though at the moment, they just get let out because the prisons are full of harmless drug users. |
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Re: War on Drugs debate: let's play a little role-playing game
Or we could change PO's name to Jack. Like, "Hi, Jack! You just hijacked this thread!"
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Nice try, A for effort, but you've got a long way to go before I'm convinced... ![]() |
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I just say my piece and be done. If its going to go round and round and just break into a witty cut down fest, well I try to stay away from that these days. |
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If you could make an attempt to respond to the 'non cutdown' posts that make valid and reasonable points that would be nice for the communal discourse.
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